Cry me a river...

[Changes in Latitudes]

Is Honda making cars in "men's" yet, or are you guys still borrowing those rollerskates from your girlfriends?


Cheap, economical, and last forever but so are these: :



You wouldn't see me riding to work in etheir of em'

[Invertago]

My Honda is Blue!!! Dammit!!!

[CLguy]

Started a new thread before reading this one. Just wanted to post this link which shows why the North American Auto Industry is crashing.

http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189

[Changes in Latitudes]

Regardless of the stupidity that got them there, you've got to admit, if that ship sinks, we're doomed.

A single father of 10 kids has just neglected himself for years and is now too fat to leave the house. Time to cut a hole in the wall, get him out and get him in shape to start earning again.

[BoostedNihilist]

Most of them were on their second or third one

How long have they made the CRV? even fifteen years?

You buy a new car every 3-5 years you should be happy with it! That's not even scratching the surface.

If you are happy with it, and it is roadworthy and reliable, why would you sell it?

My 1989 tempo was bullet proof, I put about 35k on it to bring it to 200k and sold it, in perfect working order, I still see it putting around... not pumping smoke. I replaced it with a mitsubishi, went through FOUR transmissions in two years...

my 1989 legend sucked, electrical demons out the ass and the auto needed work every 10k... sold it to the junk yard, they towed it for free

I have had 4 dodge k-series cars all with over 200k, all sold in perfect working order, weren't even rusty...

My f-150 was beaten to a pulp and still started every time I asked it to, over 400k, still towed the cruiser and still packed the firewood, try that in a 20 year old toyota. not - gonna - happen

Also, I still see the odd 70's scottsdale truck rolling around in roadworthy condition, when was the last time you witnessed a 30 year old sr5 rolling around? Then, how much work do you think the toyota has done in comparison... hmm..

The only good import I have ever owned (been through about ten imports) was a 1986 toyota sr5 wagon. THAT was a REAL car! That car I could beat mercilessly. It had a real xfer case and over 500k.. All I did was change the oil. Unfortunately, it rusted to the point where it became a target of transport... bastards.

You could not pay me to own a honda, nissan, kia, hyundai... I might try a suzuki, but the only import I would feel comfortable buying brand new would be toyota.

I'm trying to think of a single american car I have owned that has burned me, and I can't. I left imports and went back to detroit because I found the american cars to be more reliable, and less costly in the maint. dept.

[Invertago]

Obama will save us!

[Wilbur]

Every auto company has made some great cars, and some lemons. The general trend, in my view however, is that most cars from the big 3 have been dropping in quality. They can't do much about their labour costs, but they can go cheap on parts. The Asian car makers all entered the North American market selling mostly cheap junk, but steadily improved to where they now set the standard with most of their offerings.

[BigB]

...you've got to admit, if that ship sinks, we're doomed......

Actually I vehemently disagree with that. I will be so bold as to say, if we bail them out, then we're doomed. If you give them....any company..... $1, the rest will follow. GE, P&G, BH, J&J? Once THE precedent is set, all the cards will fall!

[Invertago]

...you've got to admit, if that ship sinks, we're doomed......

Actually I vehemently disagree with that. I will be so bold as to say, if we bail them out, then we're doomed. If you give them....any company..... $1, the rest will follow. GE, P&G, BH, J&J? Once THE precedent is set, all the cards will fall!

Thank goodness we didn't set any precedents by bailing out the financial industry!

[Dex]

GM, the largest U.S. automaker, said it sold 590,126 vehicles in China in the first six months, up 12.7 percent year-on-year.
http://www.china.org.cn/business/2008-0 ... 978683.htm

"Give us money or were leaving!!!!!!"

[fleet16b]

...you've got to admit, if that ship sinks, we're doomed......

Actually I vehemently disagree with that. I will be so bold as to say, if we bail them out, then we're doomed. If you give them....any company..... $1, the rest will follow. GE, P&G, BH, J&J? Once THE precedent is set, all the cards will fall!

This a.m. on the radio it was announced that Washington has suspended Bailout talks with the Big 3 until they learn more about the situation.
One of the issues that arose yesterday was that the auto excecs all travelled to Washington on their Private Jets.
Apparently the Senators were not amused as it does not send a message that they are trying to cahnge much in order to help themselves.

[albertdesalvo]

Consider yourself one of the very few, very lucky ones.

No, I consider myself among the millions of happy Chevy owners. There's nothing unique about my story. GMC has built a bulletproof pickup truck for decades. So has Ford. There are lots of 20 year old pickups on the road, just like mine. You won't see many 20 year old Hondas.

[albertdesalvo]

I'm trying to think of a single american car I have owned that has burned me, and I can't. I left imports and went back to detroit because I found the american cars to be more reliable, and less costly in the maint. dept.

Yup, it's the truth.

[fleet16b]

Consider yourself one of the very few, very lucky ones.

No, I consider myself among the millions of happy Chevy owners. There's nothing unique about my story. GMC has built a bulletproof pickup truck for decades. So has Ford. There are lots of 20 year old pickups on the road, just like mine. You won't see many 20 year old Hondas.

First off who wants to keep driving the same car for twenty years?
Secondly, I buy a new car every few years and trade in my old one because it holds it's resale value better than a N.A. car.
I will concede that the US built P/Ups are for the most part the best but I did have a Ford 150 that had one elcetrical problem after the other.
After many many NA vehicles and two Hondas, I'm sorry but the Hondas were way more reliable and safer if you are to believe the Consumers Report. Also after 300 k, I got a way better resale price than any N.A. car I ever had.
Overall, my buddies accord has 360k and still going strong with no rust, I am at 161k with only 1 brake change.
The god damn Alero had cost me upwards of 5k by 120k
Lastly, I think you will find that stats show that the Import sales are surpassing some of the big three.
Unless there is some kind of mass brainwashing going on the sales talk for themselves. Public demand is the yardstick that says it all.

[Driving Rain]

No one is buying imports either.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/busin ... .html?_r=1

Might get a good deal on a car in Longbeach CA.

[iflyforpie]

Consider yourself one of the very few, very lucky ones.

No, I consider myself among the millions of happy Chevy owners. There's nothing unique about my story. GMC has built a bulletproof pickup truck for decades. So has Ford. There are lots of 20 year old pickups on the road, just like mine. You won't see many 20 year old Hondas.

I see TONS of twenty year old Hondas. Sure you see twenty year old domestic pickups too, but how much work has been done to them to keep them running?

Ford, GM, and Dodge still manage to get a few flowers out of the junk yard. But whenever I see a two year old Dodge blowing blue, a three year old Ford stuck on the side of the road with a defective transmission, or a one year old Chevy with pieces falling off it, I shake my head and continue piling on the Ks on my twenty four year old Volvo that I would dump in a second if any of these defects were present.

[iflyforpie]

I'm trying to think of a single american car I have owned that has burned me, and I can't. I left imports and went back to detroit because I found the american cars to be more reliable, and less costly in the maint. dept.

Less costly in the maintenance department? One GM I owned (the last one), $1000 for a defective module that doesn't exist on my import; $600 for an alternator and labour to remove the friggen engine to install it, was only $200 for my import and I could do it myself; $500 for each ignition coil (and there were three), there's only one on my import that hasn't failed in over 20 years.

And the endless little things, brake rotors that warped if you look at them wrong, poor suspension that was loose less than a year after everything was replaced. The stalling (never did figure that one out) and lack of power, the rough transmission, the interior trim falling apart, on and on it went.

Finally, the depreciation. Nobody would buy it for half the 'book' value. Like a previous GM I owned, I wound up practically giving it away to a dealership 'cause nobody would even give me $1000 for it after paying almost $10,000 for it five years before and putting thousands more into repairs.

Maybe looking death in the face will change the big three, but they've been there before.

[Hedley]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/autos. ... index.html

Big Three auto CEOs flew private jets to ask for taxpayer money

"There is a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off of them with tin cups in their hand, saying that they're going to be trimming down and streamlining their businesses," Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-New York, told the chief executive officers of Ford, Chrysler and General Motors at a hearing of the House Financial Services Committee.

"It's almost like seeing a guy show up at the soup kitchen in high hat and tuxedo. It kind of makes you a little bit suspicious."

He added, "couldn't you all have downgraded to first class or jet-pooled or something to get here? It would have at least sent a message that you do get it."

[iflyforpie]

Yeah, not like Larry Kellner, the CEO of Continental airlines declining a salary and boosting mid-level salaries to stave off bankruptcy and increase quality of service.

[fleet16b]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/autos. ... index.html

Big Three auto CEOs flew private jets to ask for taxpayer money

"There is a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off of them with tin cups in their hand, saying that they're going to be trimming down and streamlining their businesses," Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-New York, told the chief executive officers of Ford, Chrysler and General Motors at a hearing of the House Financial Services Committee.

"It's almost like seeing a guy show up at the soup kitchen in high hat and tuxedo. It kind of makes you a little bit suspicious."

He added, "couldn't you all have downgraded to first class or jet-pooled or something to get here? It would have at least sent a message that you do get it."

Ofcourse, Akermans statement just proves that the hypocracy of politicians have no bounds.........kinda like the pot calling the kettle black

[Rowdy]

I'll never buy a new domestic car. EVER. Truck, sure.. they're pretty solid. But the cars are ugly, unreliable, junky, with poor fit and finish and marginal design and engineering. The auto unions should have their peepees slapped for allowing this to degrade to such a point.

German engineering, reliability and general quality is where it's at. No if's ands or buts. Although.. the swedes may have me convinced to purchase one of those fancy little C30's... obviously I'd buy the turbocharged 6spd model

[Hedley]

"They're made in Germany, and the germans make good stuff"

[. ._]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/autos. ... index.html

Big Three auto CEOs flew private jets to ask for taxpayer money

"There is a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off of them with tin cups in their hand, saying that they're going to be trimming down and streamlining their businesses," Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-New York, told the chief executive officers of Ford, Chrysler and General Motors at a hearing of the House Financial Services Committee.

"It's almost like seeing a guy show up at the soup kitchen in high hat and tuxedo. It kind of makes you a little bit suspicious."

He added, "couldn't you all have downgraded to first class or jet-pooled or something to get here? It would have at least sent a message that you do get it."

Like I've said before. I could do that for one tenth the salary. I wonder where I should send my resume. I'm probably gonna get laid off in January.

-istp

[Driving Rain]

German engineering, reliability and general quality is where it's at. No if's ands or buts. Although.. the swedes may have me convinced to purchase one of those fancy little C30's... obviously I'd buy the turbocharged 6spd model

VW TDI engines are made in the Czec Republic
VW Jetta is assembled in Mexico.. hey that's North American, I love it I own one
VW Golf is assembled in Brazil.
Some Honda's are assembled in Ontario so are some Toyoto's
BMW suv's which are shit mobiles BTW are assembled in one of those southern states like Alabama or Louisianna
VolvoS40 is a Ford, same chassy as a Mazda3 and a Ford Focus. Mazda is cheaper, a lot cheaper. Volvo uses their own engines the Ford and Mazda use the Duratec 4 which is a Mazda engine
My Ford 4x4 Ranger has a Mazda engine. It's a gas guzzler, but otherwise a good little truck.
The whole world is not buying vehicals at this time. The corrupt banks enabled by corrupt government lack of legislation are looking for new magic bubbles to scam our pensions out of us.
As soon as the car industry goes down the toilet so will energy, & mining and then we'll see a resession move to a depression.

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Is Honda making cars in "men's" yet...

Post of the year.

Not because I believe it...but because his 'comedic' timing was impeccable on that delivery.