Domestic vs. Foreign

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Re: Domestic vs. Foreign

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I've driven the Tacoma which is way nicer than the Dakota I drove before.
YEah, I agree with you there. The tacoma is nicer than the dakota, but you can get a v8 dakota which I like. The Taco with the TRD supercharger kit works wonders, especially with an add-on EMS and some air/fuel monitoring. Quite the performer, much better than a v8 dakota in my estimation, especially if you are not planning on towing anything.
So Boosted, I apologize for stating a preference in vehicle manufacturers. It was pretty stupid. I only hope I didn't ruin your day.
By all means, state a preference, but this
I think it's fair to say that the Tundra is superior to the the GMC, Ford and Chevy half-tons.
predicated on this
My opinion comes from reading, but also the people that have owned GMC's, Chevy's, Dodge, etc. that have switched over. I've never driven a Tundra
does not really add up to this
stating a preference
this
I think it's fair to say that the Tundra is superior to the the GMC, Ford and Chevy half-tons.
is a qualitative statement

whereas this

stating a preference
is not.
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Re: Domestic vs. Foreign

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Just another canuck wrote: Should also mention the resale value is way higher and you can drive them twice as long.
The resale value is higher, but the dollar value lost is greater.

A fully loaded TDI Jetta is going to top $30,000. Add on the extra taxes and extra interest (at VW's non-competitive interest rates) compared to an equivalent domestic compact at just under $20,000.

In ten years, you sell the Jetta with 200,000km on it for $5000. You sell the other compact at $1000. You've lost more dollars to the Jetta (well over $25,000), but you feel better selling it.

The money savings only works if you drive the Jetta for another ten years, something that someone who likes their 'new' cars isn't going to want to do.
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Re: Domestic vs. Foreign

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Well if you spend an extra 500 bucks a year on gas than diesel... I think the estimate could by quite a bit higher as well. But 500 for 10 years is 5000 dollars. So now we're getting closer. Then consider the fact that driving only 200,000 km in 10 years is actually quite low. Average is 25,000 a year. Chances are your gas vehicle probably won't make it that long... the mx. over the years, I think, would be significantly greater on the gas vehicle.

Thoughts??
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Re: Domestic vs. Foreign

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Just put a set of winter tires on my Subaru. Now nothing, and I mean nothing will even keep it in sight!
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Chances are your gas vehicle probably won't make it that long... the mx. over the years
There are PLENTY of gas vehicles that will go 500k without major maintenance. The toyota wagon is a prime example, but so is the chevy scottsdale, my f-150 bush truck had 350k on it (a 1991) and was still going strong when I sold it. Sure, you have to maintain a gas vehicle, you also have to maintain a diesel vehicle, and when something engine related breaks on a diesel vehicle the repair tends to be MUCH more costly than its gas counterpart.

I have never purchased a new vehicle because I do not see the value in it. So my knowledge comes from actually driving beat old vehicles and I can tell you that your assumption regarding when a domestic will die is way off. Most, if not all of my used beaters have had well in excess of 200k when I let them go and all of them left me working. Short of the ones I wrote off none of them ever left me stranded due to catastrophic failure... save the acura legend and nissan 200sx. I love machines so I tend to swap due to boredom. Without a doubt the domestics have been more reliable and have less stupid things that need changing, such as timing belts... Even the japanese manufacturers are taking a page out of the domestic books on this one because changing that belt is c. 600 bucks, and a chain rarely needs to be changed.

Think of cars like airplanes. Sometimes TBO is not such a great indication of what state the aircraft is in. Sure it might have 2000 hours left but if it's sat for ten years it probably isn't airworthy. (gross exaggeration) however an aircraft with 500 hours tbo might be a better machine because it is flown often and maintained. Same thing goes for pretty much any vehicle. An odometer reading is not the end all criteria for deciding what condition a vehicle is in, just as TBO isn't the be all criteria for deciding what condition an aircraft is in.

What happens though, is some consumer reads a magazine and takes it as the gospel. Magazines are great resources no doubt, but let's be clear that they come with a vested interest.

Most magazines review a car ONCE, at the time of production, and if there are no MAJOR model changes they quite often neglect to test that car again. Perhaps when the magazine tested the vehicle in its first iteration there was a minor problem which colored their review, but they wouldn't pick up the review the next year when the problem was solved but the vehicle was still the same generation.

Anyways, foreign or domestic if you get something you like you pretty much can't go wrong. Every manufacturer makes a lemon here and there and q.c. can't catch every little glitch, but it is interesting to note that in Egypt there are a million LADAs running around in top notch condition with tons of mileage...
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Just another canuck wrote:Well if you spend an extra 500 bucks a year on gas than diesel... I think the estimate could by quite a bit higher as well. But 500 for 10 years is 5000 dollars. So now we're getting closer. Then consider the fact that driving only 200,000 km in 10 years is actually quite low. Average is 25,000 a year. Chances are your gas vehicle probably won't make it that long... the mx. over the years, I think, would be significantly greater on the gas vehicle.

Thoughts??
My gas Volvo is just pushing over 400,000km and not burning a quart of oil. My boss brought in a thrashed gas F-150 he just got with 456,000 km on it and still driving. He's got two diesel F-350s with over 300,000km on them.

For a vehicle. domestic or foreign, to make it over 200,000 any more isn't really a challenge. The limiting factors are how well it was maintained and all the fiddley chassis things that start to go like windows, air conditioning, etc before you say forget it and go on to something else.

As for diesels. There is the slightly lower diesel consumption (a Jetta gets ~50MPG normal driving while most compacts get ~40MPG) but this has been eroded by skyrocketing diesel prices and is further eroded the extra cost of repairing a diesel should something go wrong.

I'm with Boosted for never wanting to buy new because of the lost value but I've been stung with too many domestics so I buy foreign. I'd buy a domestic truck though.
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Re: Domestic vs. Foreign

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That's all true about the diesels however I have a free supply of Jet A and I would estimate 1/2 of the 400000 km has been on free fuel. So 50 mpg translates into a 100 mpg cost to me. :D :mrgreen:
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I have a free supply of Jet A
How can I get in on that? Every time I taxi the L-39 up
to the pumps, it takes a $1000 chunk out of my ass.
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I have a 2007 F150. Would gladly buy another if I had to. I plan to keep this truck for a long time though.
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How can I get in on that? Every time I taxi the L-39 up
to the pumps, it takes a $1000 chunk out of my ass.
We have 4 CL-415's at my base. Everyday the engineers take sump samples from each aircrafts 10 cells.
The fuel can't be returned to the aircraft. They were paying some guy to take it away as waste oil. I stepped in and took it away for free. 8) I mix it 100 to 1 with 2 cycle oil to keep my injection pump happy.
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Re: Domestic vs. Foreign

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First of all, never buy new, buy a demo or a lease return and bargain hard. If the dealer isn't hungry, go to one who is - every model is made in the millions.

Then for those of you who buy a car based on what someone else might think? "....ladyman's car?..." You have your heads so far up your ass that you will never likely see the light.

The big truck diesels (4X4s are the worst) are rated the lowest (most repairs/unreliability) on the reliabilty charts - buy a Ford F-350, take it into the bush and leave it there. Buy a plain-jane F150 2-wheel drive and it will last the longest/be the most reliable.

Oh yeah, the Dodge 4X4 with the diesel's fuel consumption is breathtaking - my son drove one for his business and it was only fully loaded at each end of the week, otherwise he drove it empty. Stupid for a diesel.
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Re: Domestic vs. Foreign

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Is Ford replacing the Ranger? I hear a F100 is just over the horizon? Like xs says, I always buy a four year old off lease. My wife just got a great Rav4 with 55K off lease. Me? Still a Subaru fan.
I would imagine a well cared for F150 or GMC 1/2 ton would outlive us all? Guys sure do love their trucks.
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wow did I misread that :)
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Try towing a bobcat into the bush with a Toyota Hilux Diesel. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it wouldn't be a pleasant experience. A full size domestic 4x4 truck is more suited to that task. I'm not saying it's a bad vehicle, it just has it's purpose. (Entertainment on Top Gear :D)
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