And I guess if it was in full letters some will find a way to criticize it saying it's a waste of ink and space
Some of us can differentiate between ink and KY jelly, so bend over sucker and enjoy TCCA.
I wonder if back in the day (before the current "blue licenses") if people complained this much about having to fill out some paper work to get the new license format?? I highly doubt it.
There was no reason to complain about having to fill out paper work then because there was none to fill out. TC has all the information they need to print new license formats, the only real difference is the picture as far as information goes so why should we waste our time and put up with the frustration of giving these idiots information they already have on file?
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
No TG it was meant as a general comment for all of aviation to think about when dealing with TCCA, because they will do whatever they want regardless of how it affects their clients who pay their salaries.
This is what I was commenting on.
And I guess if it was in full letters some will find a way to criticize it saying it's a waste of ink and space
We have the right to criticize how our employees perform their jobs last time I checked, then again maybe not.
Is this addressed to me as a personal attack !?
How can it be personal to a user name?
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Where would I have heard about this licence if it wasn't for Avcanada? I can't be expected to check the TC website for changes to a system that works, can I? Has anyone been given official notice that they must update? All I get is some bill for $55, not sure what thats for
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The only three things a wingman should ever say: 1. "Two's up" 2. "You're on fire" 3. "I'll take the fat one"
Redneck_pilot86 wrote:Where would I have heard about this licence if it wasn't for Avcanada? I can't be expected to check the TC website for changes to a system that works, can I? Has anyone been given official notice that they must update? All I get is some bill for $55, not sure what thats for
Go to the place where you always check your weather: http://www.flightplanning.navcanada.ca
Click on "AIC" just to the right of "NOTAM"
Go back to 14/08
There's your notice.
Go to the place where you always check your weather: http://www.flightplanning.navcanada.ca
Click on "AIC" just to the right of "NOTAM"
Go back to 14/08
There's your notice.
Chipmunk, do you really read every possible link on that site?
You have to drop by some day so I can get a picture of you to study and find out what I missed about you when we met a few years ago.
It's bad enough reading all this stuff on Avcanada but at least some of it makes sense every once in a while...fortunately I have not gotten a fetish for the Nav Can site yet.
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
got the download working now , I guess a transport canada employee can now certify the picture ? I just moved and there is nobody near that has known me for more than 2 years ?
Cat Driver wrote:Chipmunk, do you really read every possible link on that site?
Um, not that often actually... However I reviewed much of it when I was prepping for some work in Canada after only flying in Africa for the better part of the year, and came across that license stuff. My time off can be somewhat dull! Someone in Licensing at TC actually contacted my Chief Pilot and told him to get us all started on our license booklets so that's how I originally found out about the new license.[/quote]
Cat Driver wrote:You have to drop by some day so I can get a picture of you to study and find out what I missed about you when we met a few years ago.
Obviously I know about this licence, but there are lots of wways a person could honestly not know anything about it. All I have heard about it has been word of mouth or on here.
You fly out of a fishing lodge with no internet access. Phoning 866-WXBRIEF would not notify you of this new licence. How would he know?
You have a private airplane at the airport, never flies unless it is clear blue and it never leaves the circuit. No need to be on the NavCanada website.
You fly in an area with no reporting stations, and rely on reports from locals for your weather. Again, no reason to be on the website.
You are on dial-up internet, and don't have time to wait for the 2.55 MB file to load, and then browse through 256 different files on the off chance one might affect you.
You don't use the internet at all.
I can think of at least one person that fits every category there. None of them is very far-fetched, and not one of those people has done anything wrong. Yet they will be fined if caught flying without this new book.
Now, I know ignorance is not innocence, but I don't see how TC has made any attempt to notify people of this change...and correct me if I am wrong, but is NC not completely unaffiliated with TC?
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The only three things a wingman should ever say: 1. "Two's up" 2. "You're on fire" 3. "I'll take the fat one"
You fly out of a fishing lodge with no internet access. Phoning 866-WXBRIEF would not notify you of this new licence. How would he know?
You have a private airplane at the airport, never flies unless it is clear blue and it never leaves the circuit. No need to be on the NavCanada website.
You fly in an area with no reporting stations, and rely on reports from locals for your weather. Again, no reason to be on the website.
You are on dial-up internet, and don't have time to wait for the 2.55 MB file to load, and then browse through 256 different files on the off chance one might affect you.
You don't use the internet at all.
Those people are unlikely to get ramped by a TC inspector, so they problably will be flying with an non-valid license for a while before someone notices and fines them for not having internet!
One thing about this whole issue is that it sure is an indication of how many people read the Aviation Safety Letter, where the changeover has been written about a few times... and I'm fairly certain that anyone with a license (or is it a valid medical?) still receives each issue.
I'm fairly certain I haven't received a safety letter in a solid year now, and I think I've given them my change of address... maybe I should look into that!
Quote: “......the only real difference is the picture as far as information goes so why should we waste our time and put up with the frustration of giving these idiots information they already have on file?”
Anyone who has undergone the application process for Transport Canada security clearance / RAIC will know that a digital photo of the applicant is taken, along with finger prints and copies of all supporting documents. Therefore for all of these applicants TC already has a photo that has been verified! This same digital photo already in TC's possession can be used for the new pilot licence booklet.
For all of these individuals TC has ALL of the information required for the new licence booklet. TC has the personal details, the licence and flight record details, licence number, class and type ratings, medical details, a verified photo and the pilot’s address. All TC licensing staff have to do is get off their backsides and mail out the new licence booklets, complete with photo, to those pilots. The only pilots who need to submit a verified photo are those who have not yet submitted a Red Pass/RAIC application.
Instead of doing the wimpish Canadian thing and meekly submitting to bullying bureaucrats on a power trip we should rattle their cages and put our useless elected representatives to some inconvenience. My advice to those pilots who have submitted a Red Pass/RAIC application is to not go to the expense and trouble of submitting a verified second photo and application form. Instead, wait to 31 December 2008 for your new licence booklet to arrive in the mail. If it does not arrive by that date, then contact your MP (and the media) and file a formal complaint of dereliction of duty and deliberate harassment by Transport Canada. Also, demand that the MP push for a full investigation into the service levels and attitudes at Transport Canada.
Again as quoted above: "...why should we waste our time (and money) and put up with the frustration of giving these idiots information they already have on file?”
Keep in mind that the Red Pass/RAIC is not government-issued... It is issued by the individual airport authorities.
The RAIC is a smart card issued to airport employees that uses biometric technology to authenticate the identity of persons requiring access to restricted areas at designated Canadian airports. The RAIC is not a government-issued identification document, but in order to be in possession of a RAIC, the holder must be in possession of a Transportation Security Clearance, which represents the successful completion of RCMP and CSIS background checks.
So, it's possible that only the airport authority system has access to the photo and not the government, as I do not believe that the RCMP & CSIS checks for the security clearance involve verification of the photo...
First of all, there is an expiry date. Line X.
One advantage of the new blue cover will be for the wannabe pilots with marginal skill and experience but with an instrument rating.
Just hold the booklet up to the sky and if the colours match, file and go.
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The average pilot, despite the somewhat swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy and caring.
These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
So, I guess we all have to carry that extra piece of "paper" that says something about having a radio licence in addition to carrying this booklet!!! Yes, I know it is a different body that issues it, but I wish it were all incorporated in this new book. Oh well
The Licensing folks at TC tried several times to get Industry Canada on board but they wouldn't.
If you really want to get technical, you have at least 24 hours to produce the Radio Operator's Certificate in the unlikely event you get asked by an INdustry Canada person for it.
I just taped mine on to the back page of my booklet.
I can see not carrying a lot of documents but to not carry your radio license is totally unforgivable.
There has to be limits where we make a stand if we are to be true professionals, I can not imagine any pilot even thinking of flying without his/her radio license on their person.
So lets get with the game here and not even think of such reckless behavior.
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Someone in Licensing at TC actually contacted my Chief Pilot and told him to get us all started on our license booklets so that's how I originally found out about the new license.[/quote]
