Snagmaster E
We all (as citizens) need to question and scrutinize our police force. History has not had good outcomes for people who do not question the actions of those who are supposed to keep them safe. The RCMP also simply need to be investigated by an impartial and educated department. Im not saying that the police should not be investigated by other police, As pilots at Transport Canada investigate us when there is an accident. But the police need to be routinely investigated by someone other than themselves. There has been a call for this for a long time and it needs to happen soon to prevent continued pointless uses of excessive force and deaths both among the civilian and police populations.
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RCMP - just another fatal fiasco
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Re: RCMP - just another fatal fiasco
Sorry Cpl ATC, YOU ARE THE DUMBASS. You haven't read the report issued by the complaint commissioner, because if you had you would know your version of the event is not the full story and leaves a very incorrect impression about what happened that night.
Re: RCMP - just another fatal fiasco
(1) The Mountie involved in the Vanderhoof shooting was NOT an Officer. He was a Peace Officer, but not an RCMP Officer. To be called an RCMP Officer he would have had to have at least the rank of Corporal, making him then a Non-Commissioned Officer. An Officer other than a Non-Commissioned in the RCMP is from the rank of Sub-Inspector upwards. If one still wants to call an RCMP Constable an Officer, then that's fine, but they should then also call an Army Private an Army Officer and an Able Bodied Seaman in the RCN a Naval Officer.
(2) The four Constables killed at the perp's farm in Alberta were put in that position and had that happen to them because of the actions and orders of a Senior NCO who instructed them to attend that farm. The blame for their deaths lays exactly at that NCO's feet. None of those Constables had the experience in police work at that time, to be allowed anywhere near a situation like that. They were still on a steep learning curve, but that made it too steep with only 3 months of Basic training and little experience. I read that they didn't asses the situation or danger to themselves properly. Exactly!!....and because of the foregoing reason. Have some experienced Members attend that same scene and the situation would have been much different. Members might still have been killed, but laying next to those murdered Members would have been another body bag carrying the body of the perp. That's because experienced Members have more knowledge than the Basic lessons learned at Depot Divion in Regina.
(3) RCMP Members are taught that when they unholster their weapon and point it, they are to point it at the perp's torso. No Wyatt Earp crap like aiming for wrists, legs, the perp's weapon or any other such bullshit. You are aiming for the torso with the intention of bringing that perp down quickly and the perp dying of his wound(s) just might happen. You might have been an 'ace' on the gunnery range with that weapon yesterday, but this is the real world now buddy and that pumping adrenalin and not so steady hand now aren't the same thing are they 'big guy'? If you are not willing to do this or you feel that in your jusgment, the incident does not warrant the potential death of the perp., THEN LEAVE YOUR F-CKING WEAPON HOLSTERED. Pull it out and not even fire it and you're ass is grass and some Section NCO or Orderly Room will be the lawnmowers. Put your damn brain in gear and cock it first before grabbing that other piece of headache.
(4) Approaching possible assailants, on or off drugs of any type, can be neutralized and brought-down quickly without the use of either a sidearm or a taser. It may be hard to believe with all the propaganda about, but before the taser was invented, the decision was not "do I shoot/kill this person?", "stand here and possibly get beat to death?" or "run away some place and hide?". Your head was attached to your body for other reasons than a place to hang your bloody hat.
(5) The RCMP's in-the-line-of-duty actions now need to be investigated by an independent agency and not necessarily another police Force. Based on their actions at Vancouver Airport, their lying and arrogant testimony on the Witness Stand it would be enough reason, but it isn't. The fact that one of those members was caught DUI and was still in uniform to attend the Vancouver Airport incident mans the 'wheels have come off the train' at RCMP HQ. A servere 'enema' needs to be given to the RCMP and removing their powers and abilities to investigate themselves is now long part due.
(6) I would like to know who, among all those posting on ths subject, knows ALL 35,000+ Members of the RCMP all across Canada. There must be at least one for sure because I've read at least one who states that ALL RCMP Members, in fact ALL police anywhere across Canada are ALL the same. Let's go with that inane comment then and I'll add to it. Over the last number of years there have been far too many occasions where Captains and/or First Officers have been found drunk on the Flightdecks of major airliners in the process of preparing for T/O. NOT ONE of these pilots lost their licenses to fly permanently and only endured loosing their jobs and having their licenses to operate aircraft suspended for awhile. I therefor submit that ALL pilot are drunks, fly a/c when they are drunk and if they haven't committed any of the forgoing, they soon will do so. Now, continuing on, there must be some other person who knows every single Chartered Accountant across Canada also.
(2) The four Constables killed at the perp's farm in Alberta were put in that position and had that happen to them because of the actions and orders of a Senior NCO who instructed them to attend that farm. The blame for their deaths lays exactly at that NCO's feet. None of those Constables had the experience in police work at that time, to be allowed anywhere near a situation like that. They were still on a steep learning curve, but that made it too steep with only 3 months of Basic training and little experience. I read that they didn't asses the situation or danger to themselves properly. Exactly!!....and because of the foregoing reason. Have some experienced Members attend that same scene and the situation would have been much different. Members might still have been killed, but laying next to those murdered Members would have been another body bag carrying the body of the perp. That's because experienced Members have more knowledge than the Basic lessons learned at Depot Divion in Regina.
(3) RCMP Members are taught that when they unholster their weapon and point it, they are to point it at the perp's torso. No Wyatt Earp crap like aiming for wrists, legs, the perp's weapon or any other such bullshit. You are aiming for the torso with the intention of bringing that perp down quickly and the perp dying of his wound(s) just might happen. You might have been an 'ace' on the gunnery range with that weapon yesterday, but this is the real world now buddy and that pumping adrenalin and not so steady hand now aren't the same thing are they 'big guy'? If you are not willing to do this or you feel that in your jusgment, the incident does not warrant the potential death of the perp., THEN LEAVE YOUR F-CKING WEAPON HOLSTERED. Pull it out and not even fire it and you're ass is grass and some Section NCO or Orderly Room will be the lawnmowers. Put your damn brain in gear and cock it first before grabbing that other piece of headache.
(4) Approaching possible assailants, on or off drugs of any type, can be neutralized and brought-down quickly without the use of either a sidearm or a taser. It may be hard to believe with all the propaganda about, but before the taser was invented, the decision was not "do I shoot/kill this person?", "stand here and possibly get beat to death?" or "run away some place and hide?". Your head was attached to your body for other reasons than a place to hang your bloody hat.
(5) The RCMP's in-the-line-of-duty actions now need to be investigated by an independent agency and not necessarily another police Force. Based on their actions at Vancouver Airport, their lying and arrogant testimony on the Witness Stand it would be enough reason, but it isn't. The fact that one of those members was caught DUI and was still in uniform to attend the Vancouver Airport incident mans the 'wheels have come off the train' at RCMP HQ. A servere 'enema' needs to be given to the RCMP and removing their powers and abilities to investigate themselves is now long part due.
(6) I would like to know who, among all those posting on ths subject, knows ALL 35,000+ Members of the RCMP all across Canada. There must be at least one for sure because I've read at least one who states that ALL RCMP Members, in fact ALL police anywhere across Canada are ALL the same. Let's go with that inane comment then and I'll add to it. Over the last number of years there have been far too many occasions where Captains and/or First Officers have been found drunk on the Flightdecks of major airliners in the process of preparing for T/O. NOT ONE of these pilots lost their licenses to fly permanently and only endured loosing their jobs and having their licenses to operate aircraft suspended for awhile. I therefor submit that ALL pilot are drunks, fly a/c when they are drunk and if they haven't committed any of the forgoing, they soon will do so. Now, continuing on, there must be some other person who knows every single Chartered Accountant across Canada also.
Re: RCMP - just another fatal fiasco
Robinson was involved in his MVA after the YVR incident. No doubt his lawyer will use undiagnosed PTSD caused by the YVR incident in his defence of the driving and related charges. He hasn't been on duty with an outstanding impaired causing death charge.
Re: RCMP - just another fatal fiasco
I stand corrected then. Therefore, based on his Witness Stand testimony, he should be facing RCMP Service Court charges concerning the way he conducted himself in this incident. The factual lying and evasive anwsers given on the Witness Stand would have been other RCMP Service Court charges. Leaving the scene of an accident in which he was personally involved, while DUI or not, is ANOTHER charge in RCMP Service Court. Consuming ANY amount of alsohol or spirits of ANY type after that accident and before arriving polie questioned him would be another set of charges in RCMP Service Court.
PTSD ain't going to 'cut much grass' in any RCMP Service Court. He ain't dealing there with some naive public jury or other unknowing folks. If he's hoping to be "Invalided to Pension" at said Service Court then he might like to know I know of a bridge still for sale in a borough of NY City. Based on his demonstrated stupid actions to date, I will just naturally assume that everything I've stated from the beginning of this paragraph is totally not agreed with by this 'mentally-challenged' individual.
PTSD ain't going to 'cut much grass' in any RCMP Service Court. He ain't dealing there with some naive public jury or other unknowing folks. If he's hoping to be "Invalided to Pension" at said Service Court then he might like to know I know of a bridge still for sale in a borough of NY City. Based on his demonstrated stupid actions to date, I will just naturally assume that everything I've stated from the beginning of this paragraph is totally not agreed with by this 'mentally-challenged' individual.
