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Minimums wrote:I'm guessing its an attempt to get rid of the 'trouble makers' ahead of time before thieir contract gets handed to'em, and probably just another attempt to 'flex muscle' by management before thier arm gets broken by whomever the arbitrator is when they see the total dismay that the company is in, and how crappy they treat their workforce...ie flight crews. We'll see in what, another year or two?
"Trouble makers" only in the eye of their "malignant" management. Translation: Anybody who has ever stood up against their draconian, practices, would be more like it.
I'm hopping Wasaya gets the union they deserve. No company has ever deserved a union more than Wasaya.
Talk to any one of their crews. It's a day to day wholesale screwing.
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Doc you talk down about unions, but ALPA does wonderful work for pilots (even you, and you might not realize it) and isn't anti-company and anti-growth, like your post might insinuate.
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i read Doc's post the opposite way that you did. i think he is saying that the Wasaya pilots need a union.
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Layoffs, shorter work weeks at Wasaya
Published in Wawatay Online [1], January 21, 2010, Volume 37, No. 2 [2]

Wasaya Airways will layoff 20-25 people effective Feb. 1.

January 21, 2010: Volume 37 #2, Page A1

The remaining employees, including president and CEO Tom Morris who made the layoff announcement, will all have their hours cut to effectively a four-day work week from a five-day work week.

Employees in Timmins, Sioux Lookout, Red Lake and Thunder Bay will be effected.

“It was a tough decision but it had to be made to make sure the company meets its financial targets,” Morris said. “There will always be winter roads … we have to address the impact.”

Morris said the company hasn’t been immune to the economic downturn. In addition, successful winter roads seasons the past few years has cut between 50-60 per cent of the airline’s freight business, especially in Red Lake and Pickle Lake.

“The last few years, the winter roads have been good,” Morris said. “The communities that rely on air for freight are open for ground freight (for a longer period.)

In addition to the layoffs, the Timmins base will be closed temporarily – for the same length as the layoffs.

However, charter flights for Timmins will still be available through Thunder Bay, Morris said.

A scheduled flight from Sioux Lookout to Sandy Lake, Pikangikum and Winnipeg has also been suspended as part of the cost-cutting strategy.

Morris expects the laid-off staff to return in May.
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Base closing
Posted By RON GRECH, THE DAILY PRESS
Posted 9 days ago


Wasaya Airways is closing its base in Timmins and laying off most of its staff here.

These are among the measures the company is implementing in an effort to reduce costs. The layoffs are effective Feb. 1.

"The rationale behind the restructuring is because of the recent economic downturn in the last three years" combined with the winter road system which has cut into the airline's freight business, explained Wasaya president Tom Morris.

The measures have been announced as "temporary." Morris said he will "review" the cutbacks in three months.

Wasaya employs between six and eight people in Timmins, said Morris. The company is keeping one maintenance person and letting everyone else go.

Anyone wanting to charter a plane from Timmins will now have their call redirected to Thunder Bay, where the company is based.

Company-wide, Wasaya has laid off about 25 people. Some of the remaining staff have had their hours reduced from five days to four.

Morris said the layoffs and cutbacks were necessary "in order to accomplish our financial targets and ensure we remain a sustainable and profitable company which is still reliable and safety oriented."

Wasaya also has bases in Thunder Bay, Sioux Lookout and Red Lake.

The company employs 340 people.
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witness keystone wrote: The remaining employees, including president and CEO Tom Morris who made the layoff announcement, will all have their hours cut to effectively a four-day work week from a five-day work week. .
Kudos to Mr. Morris for cutting his own hours and reducing himself to a 4 day work week in support of the affected staff. :roll:
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his hours may be cut but you can bet he is not taking a pay cut......
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All this time, I thought they were an essential service?

Love how Tom Morris fails to point out that the same communities that use the winter roads are the ones who own Wasaya. The very same communities that own the truck lines that use the winter roads to compete with their own airline? They also own the petroleum company that trucks the fuel on the winter roads? Are you with me? I've lost me. All part of the Wasaya Group. Perhaps a fresh injection of my tax dollars are needed?
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Jean-Pierre wrote:
witness keystone wrote: The remaining employees, including president and CEO Tom Morris who made the layoff announcement, will all have their hours cut to effectively a four-day work week from a five-day work week. .
Kudos to Mr. Morris for cutting his own hours and reducing himself to a 4 day work week in support of the affected staff. :roll:
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Doc wrote:And all I want is world peace!
PRICELESS :lol:
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I heard they fired their vp of sales and marketing, what happened there???
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I heard they fired their vp of sales and marketing, what happened there???
Don't know if he was fired but he's no longer employed by Wasaya, the guy wanted to run the busniess like a business, can't have that now can we. Better get rid of him. F***ing figueres.
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Kind of curious. Did any of the gals get the boot, or was it only the guys? Wondering about the criteria used in ransacking the pilot population vs. a popularity contest? In most operations, seniority = loyalty, usually reflected in protection from lay offs, even in non-unionized companies. Some operations seem to think they can treat anybody they want to like crap, regardless of how good a job that individual may, or may not have done for them in the past. Wasaya is only out for management. Always has been. Best wishes to all the victims of this round of "witch hunts". Hope you all find good jobs in the spring! Anybody got the pills to field the question?
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Doc wrote:Kind of curious. Did any of the gals get the boot, or was it only the guys? Wondering about the criteria used in ransacking the pilot population vs. a popularity contest? In most operations, seniority = loyalty, usually reflected in protection from lay offs, even in non-unionized companies. Some operations seem to think they can treat anybody they want to like crap, regardless of how good a job that individual may, or may not have done for them in the past. Wasaya is only out for management. Always has been. Best wishes to all the victims of this round of "witch hunts". Hope you all find good jobs in the spring! Anybody got the pills to field the question?
With the information we have, pilots were given notice based on their seniority at each location (but not necessarily). Layoffs affected all Timmins PC-12 flight crews. All Winnipeg PC-12 flight crews. Red Lake Caravan Captain, Hawker Captain/FO's. Pickle Lake Hawker Captains/FO's. Thunder Bay PC-12 FO's. Sioux Lookout was not affected. Because there is no contract in place the determination of seniority does not exist.
There were both guys and gals affected. We'll miss having them around. Each and every one of them are great pilots and great people. We wish them the very best. Unfortunately the word is that those pilots that have training bonds with the company will continue to get their regular payments each month. However they will be unable to accept employment with other companies unless they are willing to take the loss on the bond.
If the flood gates start opening for pilot hiring elsewhere in Canada, then there is a very high probability that the turnover rate is going to be something unlike they have ever seen before. There is no job satisfaction in the current environment so pilots will continue to look elsewhere.
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pilots were given notice based on their seniority at each location
Sorry, but from what I hear - that was NOT done at all.
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pilots were given notice based on their seniority at each location
Sorry, but from what I hear - that was NOT done at all.
In some circumstances it was done based on seniority at the individual base.However at other bases it was not. It's difficult to tell where the logic came from.
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dutyday wrote:However they will be unable to accept employment with other companies unless they are willing to take the loss on the bond.
If the flood gates start opening for pilot hiring elsewhere in Canada, then there is a very high probability that the turnover rate is going to be something unlike they have ever seen before. There is no job satisfaction in the current environment so pilots will continue to look elsewhere.
"they will be unable to accept employment with other companies unless they are willing to take a loss on the bond." That's sweet. Wasaya has no commitment to pay these pilots, but they are still on the hook for thousands of dollars? Suggestion here. Class action suit.

"There is no job satisfaction...." Probably the understatement of the decade!

I do totally agree with your statement...."great pilots and great people.." Great people. With lives to live, bills to pay......but screw them anyway. If they are lucky enough to be offered employment elsewhere....keep their money. It's the Wasaya Waya!
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So does threat of BOND loss mean they will not be required to look for work when they sign on EI ?
Or will EI count monies recieved as earnings and deduct it from their unemployment enjoyment check ?
Does the inability to search for work require the employer to continue making payments to CPP ,EI ?
Nothing that the lawyers will not be able to solve the problems of modern identures.

How many pro-union pilots got bagged ?
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I really dont think there are any non pro union employees at Wasaya, everybody is fed up.

A side note, the company wanted the pilots to take a pay cut per hour while everyone else in the company just worked less days and therefore got paid less, the logic of this company does not exist. Who knows how long they will last as they are so deeply Fu%^#d
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I find this telling. Whenever I see a derogatory remark/post made about most companies, there are folks scrambling to the defense. I hear things like..."it's a great place to work...treat their pilots well....enjoyed my time there..."
I take a shot at Wasaya, nobody comes out and calls me on it. Oh sure, I get the odd personal insult, but I've yet to see any of the pilots at Wasaya rush in and tell me to shut my "pie hole"? Why could this be?
I'll let you all in on a little secret. Wasaya has, and has always had an adversarial relationship between their pilots and management. Nice pilots. Not bad equipment. But, nobody is happy there. Are you happy flying for Wasaya?
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[quote/] With the information we have, pilots were given notice based on their seniority at each location (but not necessarily). Layoffs affected all Timmins PC-12 flight crews. All Winnipeg PC-12 flight crews. Red Lake Caravan Captain, Hawker Captain/FO's. Pickle Lake Hawker Captains/FO's. Thunder Bay PC-12 FO's. Sioux Lookout was not affected. Because there is no contract in place the determination of seniority does not exist.
There were both guys and gals affected. We'll miss having them around. Each and every one of them are great pilots and great people. We wish them the very best. Unfortunately the word is that those pilots that have training bonds with the company will continue to get their regular payments each month. However they will be unable to accept employment with other companies unless they are willing to take the loss on the bond.
If the flood gates start opening for pilot hiring elsewhere in Canada, then there is a very high probability that the turnover rate is going to be something unlike they have ever seen before. There is no job satisfaction in the current environment so pilots will continue to look elsewhere.[/quote]


In the unionized world of aviation, I am speaking of ALPA, and Wasaya isn't totally there yet with a contract in place, things would be done quite different when it comes to layoffs. The company seems to still be doing as they please.

Seniority in the ALPA world means all of the pilots are on one seniority list regardless of their base, and layoffs are done by that seniority list with the company having to do retraining for the displaced pilots if they change aircraft and status. (Capt or F/O)

Don't know whether the union can do anything about it before having a contract in place or not, but I am sure they will try.
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The contents of an article from ALPA's Airline Pilot magazine.
A brief history of the ordeal that the Wasaya MEC has endured over the past 18 months. Much of this is older news but gives a nice summary.
At the end of this article is an interesting (and entirely true) facts about how SMS is used by Wasaya management. We're very hopeful that they take full advantage of SMS in the future to improve safety for their flight crews and passengers alike.
Despite signing an Essential Service's Agreement that prohibits a strike or lockout if or when negotiations fail, the Wasaya pilots continue to aggressively pursue their first contract with a management team that has been less than cooperative. To support the pilots’ valiant struggle in the face of such adversity, the ALPA Executive Council awarded the Wasaya pilots a $250,000 grant from the Association’s Major Contingency Fund (MCF).

The grant was announced at a pilot briefing that Wasaya pilots; Master Executive Council representatives; and Canada Board president, Capt. Dan Adamus (Air Canada Jazz), and vice president, Capt. Nick DiCintio (Air Canada Jazz) attended in Thunder Bay, Ont., in early December 2009. ALPA’s president, Capt. John Prater, who was unable
to attend the briefing, confirmed the grant via teleconference from the White House. Prater was representing the Association at a summit on creating jobs in the U.S. The award from ALPA’s war chest, which will go before the Executive Board for approval, will support continuing strategic activities now that the Wasaya collective bargaining process has reached an impasse.
“Our highly experienced negotiating team has been laboring for more than 18 months to achieve a fair and equitable contract,” says Capt. Jeff Braun, the pilots’ MEC chairman. “And ALPA’s additional financial support puts us in the strongest possible position to achieve the outcome we seek a viable, profitable, and sustainable airline.”
Pursuant to the Canada Labour Code, which governs negotiations in Canada, the Maintenance of Activities and Dispute Resolution Agreement, or the aforementioned Essential Services Agreement, that the pilots and management approved concludes that the cessation of flying, in whole or in part during the course of a strike or lockout, has the potential to cause an immediate and serious danger to the safety and health of the public.

Because Wasaya provides the majority of charter, cargo and scheduled passenger service to 25 First Nation communities in remote areas of northwestern Ontario many of which are only accessible via air Wasaya pilot jobs are considered essential positions.
Wasaya pilots deliver most, if not all, necessities, including fuel, food, and medicine to these remote communities of 400–2,500 residents. With roads scarce, most winter travel in the region is by snowmobiles, flown in on Wasaya airplanes. Much of the pilots’ flying is in temperatures well below freezing, landing on short gravel and, many times, icy runways.
After 18 months of negotiating with limited success, the Wasaya pilots applied for the appointment of a conciliation officer from the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Services (FMCS) on December 3, pursuant to the Maintenance of Activities and Dispute Resolution Agreement. On December 12, the FMCS appointed the regional director of the Ontario region of FMCS as the conciliation officer assigned to Wasaya. Conciliation dates are confirmed for January and February 2010.
In other news, the pilots are vehemently opposed to management’s flawed use of data gathered from the Safety Management System (SMS) program. Though Canada is a leader in its adoption of SMS in its marine, rail, and aviation industries as a means to improve safety, Wasaya management uses it for a different purpose: disciplinary action.
“If a pilot files a report, management figures he or she must have done something wrong, and therefore, he or she must be disciplined,” says Braun. “To think that a program designed to enhance the safety culture at an airline is now being used to discipline the very pilots who understand the system and want to use it to improve the airline is patently absurd.”
The Wasaya MEC has directed ALPA staff to take these disciplinary acts to arbitration for resolution.
You can read about other ALPA member airlines here.
http://www.alpa.org/portals/alpa/magazi ... ofALPA.pdf
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Exactly what in hell would make Wasaya (or any other pop and chip delivery system) an "essential" service.
They don't even fly medevacs.
There is nothing essential about a sked service.
Freight can be flown by any number of other air services in the area. Fuel, ditto.
You guys ever want a union to work for you (AND YOU REALLY NEED ONE) you have to shake that label. You're like an Olympic sprinter with a handicap sticker in your car! You AIN'T essential!
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Doc wrote:Exactly what in hell would make Wasaya (or any other pop and chip delivery system) an "essential" service.
They don't even fly medevacs.
There is nothing essential about a sked service.
Freight can be flown by any number of other air services in the area. Fuel, ditto.
You guys ever want a union to work for you (AND YOU REALLY NEED ONE) you have to shake that label. You're like an Olympic sprinter with a handicap sticker in your car! You AIN'T essential!
ALPA had put a study together on behalf of the Wasaya pilots to compile a list of services provided by the company. In conclusion of that study they in fact found that a large percentage of our services are essential to the immediate safety of northern communities. Not all of the services could be immediately covered within a reasonable time frame in the event of a strike. Such as fuel and food. Delivery of other services that were also considered essential were health workers, maintenance workers, hydro workers, medical supplies, etc. During the winter if the fuel and food don't arrive in a constant uninterrupted stream then people are put at high risk. In one way the pilots may have felt a little put out that they had no ability to strike, but in another way it's nice to know that the services we provide are actually needed and go way beyond "pop and chips". ALPA did a great job in trying to argue the point but in the end, the law wins.
Subsection 4(1) of the PSLRA defines an "essential service" as "a service, facility or activity of the Government of Canada that is or will be, at any time, necessary for the safety or security of the public or a segment of the public". Services should be identified as essential where there are reasonable grounds for accepting the probability, or even the possibility, that human life or public safety would suffer if a work stoppage interrupted the duties of these employees. It should be noted that positions where occupants are to be available during their off-duty hours to report to work without delay to perform the essential services are also included.
For anyone interested in the governments definition of essential services
http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.as ... ext#sec4.1
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During the winter if the fuel and food don't arrive in a constant uninterrupted stream then people are put at high risk.
Good thing there is a winter road, and a Wasaya trucking company. Isn't the winter road the excuse used for lay offs? If they can lay off due to the road then the same excuse can't be used for 'essential' services. :rolleyes:
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