My annoyance with the 130J buy was that there was an alternative that was 4.7B cheaper. A company in minnesota "Snow Aviation offered to IRAN all 30 of our aircraft "including the Parts Scows for 1.3B including stretch new reinforced wing boxes, upgraded avionics, and PW150 engines. They would perform better than the J and the extra cash could have gone into something else.
http://www.snowaviation.com/c130m.htm
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Re: More New Aircraft for the CAF
Maybe, but Canadian Hercs are amongst the oldest still in service. There are a lot of underlying things that won't get touched with a simple mod.
Then there is the issue of down-time and time for the IRANs and conversions to be done. I would imagine to do 30 aircraft would take something like ten years, and they need to be replaced now.
Then there is the issue of down-time and time for the IRANs and conversions to be done. I would imagine to do 30 aircraft would take something like ten years, and they need to be replaced now.
Geez did I say that....? Or just think it....?
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I was a CC-130 airframe tech for 4 years. It's about time the Air Force aquired new ones. I still look back in amazement on what we did to keep them flying.
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Me too Piston, me too. 11 years.
Again this was posted as an aviation related news item. Politics aside, please, the fact is the military is a volunteer force. They don't make policy or decide where they are sent. They do deserve good, safe equipment to do whatever they are assigned. They shouldn't have to count on foreign forces (US) or contractors (Russia) to carry out missions they should have been equipped for by default. They, if not the Government, should be supported for, and in, their efforts.
Besides, the vast majority of maintenance work carried out these days is contracted out to (mostly) Canadian companies and that creates jobs and tax revenue.
Again this was posted as an aviation related news item. Politics aside, please, the fact is the military is a volunteer force. They don't make policy or decide where they are sent. They do deserve good, safe equipment to do whatever they are assigned. They shouldn't have to count on foreign forces (US) or contractors (Russia) to carry out missions they should have been equipped for by default. They, if not the Government, should be supported for, and in, their efforts.
Besides, the vast majority of maintenance work carried out these days is contracted out to (mostly) Canadian companies and that creates jobs and tax revenue.
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First of all Mr. Harper does not pay for anything, neither does the Conservative party of Canada. Before everybody jumps down my throat,....... Liberals , NDP, Green Party and whoever else do not pay either!!!! You do !! The Canadian taxpayer pays for it all.
Now to the original thrust of the thread. A good friend of mine, who works for Childrens Aid in Ontario, once said " It will be a great day in Canada when all the programs for needy children in this country are fully funded and the Airforce has to hold a bake sale in order to buy a new jet!! ".
There I'm done boys........have at'er!!
Now to the original thrust of the thread. A good friend of mine, who works for Childrens Aid in Ontario, once said " It will be a great day in Canada when all the programs for needy children in this country are fully funded and the Airforce has to hold a bake sale in order to buy a new jet!! ".
There I'm done boys........have at'er!!
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Wonder if he/she would feel the same way if his/her family crashed in the NWT and there were no working aircraft to go get them.chu me wrote:Now to the original thrust of the thread. A good friend of mine, who works for Childrens Aid in Ontario, once said " It will be a great day in Canada when all the programs for needy children in this country are fully funded and the Airforce has to hold a bake sale in order to buy a new jet!! ".
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Re: More New Aircraft for the CAF
I know the pm does not pay for it, I was just being faceious and pointing out to the conservative brown nosers how a fair amount of money coming from Canadian taxpayers came in the form of a part advertisement also paid for by Canadian taxpayers.chu me wrote:First of all Mr. Harper does not pay for anything, neither does the Conservative party of Canada. Before everybody jumps down my throat,....... Liberals , NDP, Green Party and whoever else do not pay either!!!! You do !! The Canadian taxpayer pays for it all.
Now to the original thrust of the thread. A good friend of mine, who works for Childrens Aid in Ontario, once said " It will be a great day in Canada when all the programs for needy children in this country are fully funded and the Airforce has to hold a bake sale in order to buy a new jet!! ".
There I'm done boys........have at'er!!
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???Now to the original thrust of the thread. A good friend of mine, who works for Childrens Aid in Ontario...
Geez, tough crowd. When did pilots become bleeding heart whiners? Never mind, a check of the 'I don't have to work the dock/ramp 'cause I'm a pilot' threads answers that...
now excuse me, I have to get my club ready for the seal hunt, more money there then in flyin' anyhow and more taxable income to pay for them there Hercs
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mcrit wrote:
Wonder if he/she would feel the same way if his/her family crashed in the NWT and there were no working aircraft to go get them.
Perhaps if we weren't involved in a senseless war that costs us billions, or the Olympic fiasco, we could divert some funds so that there could be a SAR base or two IN THE NORTH? I know it'd make me feel a whole lot better every summer knowing Comox isn't the nearest SAR bird.
If you're going to do it, do it properly. The question is however what we should be doing.
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Good discussion folks...
I wanted to wade in briefly just to post a few thoughts.
The Canadian Forces are not, nor have never been a Peacekeeping force. It just so happens that we did it from time to time during the past 30 years. During my 16 years currently serving in the CF, I have never been trained in any sort of Peacekeeping tactics. My time in the army involved training on the utilization of weapons that maim and kill - with training on how best to wage them.
For those on the band-wagon on re-winging the E model hercs - food for thought. One of the Hercs flying in and out of Jacmel, Haiti has 45,500 hrs on the airframe. When it left Trenton at the start of the runs down south - it had only 35 hours left on it before being sent to the boneyard. It takes 7.0 hrs to fly to Haiti. Figure out how quickly we are burning out the fleet right now.
As a former SAR pilot (now training weanie) I have seen the impact of unserviceable 40+ year old aircraft. As much as a northern MOB would be effective in terms of response time - the cost would be prohibitive. Please remember that we are not Borek Air - we cannot simply exist with a few AMEs and a hangar. The logistical train that follows any sort of sizeable detachment is enormous. In order to stand up a fully staffed SAR unit in the north, there would be approximately 80-100 personnel required. Factor in the infrastructure costs of building a defacto base - not just a hangar like the twotters have in YK - and the costs skyrocket.
I wanted to wade in briefly just to post a few thoughts.
The Canadian Forces are not, nor have never been a Peacekeeping force. It just so happens that we did it from time to time during the past 30 years. During my 16 years currently serving in the CF, I have never been trained in any sort of Peacekeeping tactics. My time in the army involved training on the utilization of weapons that maim and kill - with training on how best to wage them.
For those on the band-wagon on re-winging the E model hercs - food for thought. One of the Hercs flying in and out of Jacmel, Haiti has 45,500 hrs on the airframe. When it left Trenton at the start of the runs down south - it had only 35 hours left on it before being sent to the boneyard. It takes 7.0 hrs to fly to Haiti. Figure out how quickly we are burning out the fleet right now.
As a former SAR pilot (now training weanie) I have seen the impact of unserviceable 40+ year old aircraft. As much as a northern MOB would be effective in terms of response time - the cost would be prohibitive. Please remember that we are not Borek Air - we cannot simply exist with a few AMEs and a hangar. The logistical train that follows any sort of sizeable detachment is enormous. In order to stand up a fully staffed SAR unit in the north, there would be approximately 80-100 personnel required. Factor in the infrastructure costs of building a defacto base - not just a hangar like the twotters have in YK - and the costs skyrocket.
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Re: More New Aircraft for the CAF
When I was in the Primary Reserve, the Army Basic Training Manual defined role of the infantry as being ... "To close with, and kill the enemy."
There isn't much in the way of Peacekeeping in that description is there? Oh, my error ... there is peacekeeping ... the silence after you've put a good-sized round through somebody that has been designated as a target in a legal Fire Order. While I was never issued such a Fire Order, I assure you that it would have resulted in the desired effect, as I was absolutely deadly accurate with a wide variety of Canadian Armed Forces weapons.
I get a kick out of the bleeding hearts who think that in the course of the last 20 or so years, tens of thousands of years of human conflict behaviour has suddenly been eliminated. You'd have far better luck trying to train a Border Collie to not herd sheep.
During Basic Military Qualification Training (BMQ,) I learned something about people's reactions to stress in the Gas Training Shack. After about 20 minutes of being gassed with, and without a mask, running around in circles at full speed to raise a good sweat, every breath ...... no matter how shallow, causes a wild jag of uncontrollable coughing and your throat feels like you are breathing in fire, eyes watering and stinging so badly you are pretty much blind ....especially so if you've accidently rubbed your eyes, 3 feet of snot hanging out of your nose, so much saliva in your mouth you'd think you were a rabid dog .... when that door opens and people stampede for the exit in a blind panic, you'd claw the eyes out of your Sainted Mother to get to the fresh air of the outside.
The veneer of civilization is very, very thin.
Here's a group exiting after a light gas training session.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsYEgtDxs-U
Here's a slightly greater concentration .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZC-ocLgjuQ
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There isn't much in the way of Peacekeeping in that description is there? Oh, my error ... there is peacekeeping ... the silence after you've put a good-sized round through somebody that has been designated as a target in a legal Fire Order. While I was never issued such a Fire Order, I assure you that it would have resulted in the desired effect, as I was absolutely deadly accurate with a wide variety of Canadian Armed Forces weapons.
I get a kick out of the bleeding hearts who think that in the course of the last 20 or so years, tens of thousands of years of human conflict behaviour has suddenly been eliminated. You'd have far better luck trying to train a Border Collie to not herd sheep.
During Basic Military Qualification Training (BMQ,) I learned something about people's reactions to stress in the Gas Training Shack. After about 20 minutes of being gassed with, and without a mask, running around in circles at full speed to raise a good sweat, every breath ...... no matter how shallow, causes a wild jag of uncontrollable coughing and your throat feels like you are breathing in fire, eyes watering and stinging so badly you are pretty much blind ....especially so if you've accidently rubbed your eyes, 3 feet of snot hanging out of your nose, so much saliva in your mouth you'd think you were a rabid dog .... when that door opens and people stampede for the exit in a blind panic, you'd claw the eyes out of your Sainted Mother to get to the fresh air of the outside.
The veneer of civilization is very, very thin.
Here's a group exiting after a light gas training session.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsYEgtDxs-U
Here's a slightly greater concentration .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZC-ocLgjuQ
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Ahh the gas chamber. I was fortunate enough to schedule my own annual session. I'd always wait until I had a case of the sniffles. One dose of the CS and a few push-ups sans mask would clear the sinus's for the rest of the year.
The feeling of the bone-rattling, hacking cough and not being able to do anything about it, and staying composed in front of the men when you want to throw the guys running the show through the window to escape to fresh air. Good times, good times.
For my peace pipe smoking friends on here, getting gassed at the local rally, or pepper sprayed while in a drunken stupor, isn't quite as fun.
The cure for the Canadian Forces?
An incentive to serve.
The money will come when recruiter's offices are packed. But putting others before yourself is a lost art.
The feeling of the bone-rattling, hacking cough and not being able to do anything about it, and staying composed in front of the men when you want to throw the guys running the show through the window to escape to fresh air. Good times, good times.
For my peace pipe smoking friends on here, getting gassed at the local rally, or pepper sprayed while in a drunken stupor, isn't quite as fun.
The cure for the Canadian Forces?
An incentive to serve.
The money will come when recruiter's offices are packed. But putting others before yourself is a lost art.
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Re: More New Aircraft for the CAF
Ah memories. At least the first time I went through the gas hut in Cornwallis we had a nice breeze blowing to take the stench out of our combats relatively quickly. It really sucks when your own clothes make you want to barf. Wish we'd had the same breeze when I got my refresher training in Germany; especially since I got to do pushups in the hut for not noticing one of the instructors had snuck up beside me and sprayed my detection patch.The Old Fogducker wrote: 3 feet of snot hanging out of your nose, so much saliva in your mouth you'd think you were a rabid dog
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Ok...I work in a profession that deals with the CAS in Ontario quite often. Your friend has NO right making the above statement when most, yes I'd say 85% of CAS case workers show up to apprehend children in either a $60,000 Beamer or a Lexus.chu me wrote: Now to the original thrust of the thread. A good friend of mine, who works for Childrens Aid in Ontario, once said " It will be a great day in Canada when all the programs for needy children in this country are fully funded and the Airforce has to hold a bake sale in order to buy a new jet!! ".
There I'm done boys........have at'er!!
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Re: More New Aircraft for the CAF
Would you prefer they try to snatch children in this:piston wrote: Ok...I work in a profession that deals with the CAS in Ontario quite often. Your friend has NO right making the above statement when most, yes I'd say 85% of CAS case workers show up to apprehend children in either a $60,000 Beamer or a Lexus.
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Absolutley!..niss wrote:Would you prefer they try to snatch children in this:piston wrote: Ok...I work in a profession that deals with the CAS in Ontario quite often. Your friend has NO right making the above statement when most, yes I'd say 85% of CAS case workers show up to apprehend children in either a $60,000 Beamer or a Lexus.
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Fond memories indeed.The Old Fogducker wrote:During Basic Military Qualification Training (BMQ,) I learned something about people's reactions to stress in the Gas Training Shack. After about 20 minutes of being gassed with, and without a mask, running around in circles at full speed to raise a good sweat, every breath ...... no matter how shallow, causes a wild jag of uncontrollable coughing and your throat feels like you are breathing in fire, eyes watering and stinging so badly you are pretty much blind ....especially so if you've accidently rubbed your eyes, 3 feet of snot hanging out of your nose, so much saliva in your mouth you'd think you were a rabid dog .... when that door opens and people stampede for the exit in a blind panic, you'd claw the eyes out of your Sainted Mother to get to the fresh air of the outside.
I wholeheartedly agree that the military is not a peacekeeping force. We should have learned that from Somalia, and it disgusts me to this day that the Cretin disbanded a proud and essential fighting unit in shame because he sent them to do something they were not trained to do.
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Man, you are starting to sound like Hedley and the gun registry...........sky's the limit wrote:Perhaps if we weren't involved in a senseless war that costs us billions.....
How could you expect him to pass up such a great pretense to slash DND funding even more? Cut a regiment, save some bucks to spend on more......advertising.......in Quebec.Somalia, and it disgusts me to this day that the Cretin disbanded a proud and essential fighting unit in shame because he sent them to do something they were not trained to do.......
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Re: More New Aircraft for the CAF
After serving in the RCAF/CAF for the best part of my working life, it was very interesting to get an email that is going around the military family...particularly after reading some of the crap on this thread.
So to all, read and think about where you fit in.
Very true
When a Veteran leaves the 'job' and retires to a better life, many are
jealous, some are pleased, and others, who may have already retired, wonder
if he knows what he is leaving behind, because we already know.
1. We know, for example, that after a lifetime of camaraderie that few
experience, it will remain as a longing for those past times.
2. We know in the Military life there is a fellowship which lasts long after
the uniforms are hung up in the back of the closet.
3. We know even if he throws them away, they will be on him with every step
and breath that remains in his life. We also know how the very bearing of
the man speaks of what he was and in his heart still is.
These are the burdens of the job. You will still look at people suspiciously,
still see what others do not see or choose to ignore and always will look at
the rest of the Military world with a respect for what they do; only grown in a
lifetime of knowing.
Never think for one moment you are escaping from that life. You are only
escaping the 'job' and merely being allowed to leave 'active' duty..
So what I wish for you is that whenever you ease into retirement, in your
heart you never forget for one moment that you are still a member of the
greatest fraternity the world has ever known.
NOW! Civilian Friends vs. Veteran Friends Comparisons
CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Get upset if you're too busy to talk to them for a week.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are glad to see you after years, and will happily carry on
the same conversation you were having the last time you met..
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have never seen you cry.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have cried with you.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Keep your stuff so long they forget it's yours.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Borrow your stuff for a few days then give it back.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Know a few things about you.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Could write a book with direct quotes from you.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will leave you behind if that's what the crowd is doing.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will kick the crowd's ass that left you behind.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Are for a while.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are for life.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have shared a few experiences.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have shared a lifetime of experiences no citizen could
ever dream of.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will take your drink away when they think you've had
enough.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will look at you stumbling all over the place and say,
'You better drink the rest of that before you spill it!'
Then carry you home safely and put you to bed...
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will talk crap to the person who talks crap about you.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will knock the hell out OF THEM...for using your name in vain.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will ignore this.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will forward this.
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A veteran - whether active duty, retired, or reserve- is someone who, at one
point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The Government of
Canada for an amount of 'up to and including my life'. . . and military wives
are as much veterans as their spouses.
So to all, read and think about where you fit in.
Very true
When a Veteran leaves the 'job' and retires to a better life, many are
jealous, some are pleased, and others, who may have already retired, wonder
if he knows what he is leaving behind, because we already know.
1. We know, for example, that after a lifetime of camaraderie that few
experience, it will remain as a longing for those past times.
2. We know in the Military life there is a fellowship which lasts long after
the uniforms are hung up in the back of the closet.
3. We know even if he throws them away, they will be on him with every step
and breath that remains in his life. We also know how the very bearing of
the man speaks of what he was and in his heart still is.
These are the burdens of the job. You will still look at people suspiciously,
still see what others do not see or choose to ignore and always will look at
the rest of the Military world with a respect for what they do; only grown in a
lifetime of knowing.
Never think for one moment you are escaping from that life. You are only
escaping the 'job' and merely being allowed to leave 'active' duty..
So what I wish for you is that whenever you ease into retirement, in your
heart you never forget for one moment that you are still a member of the
greatest fraternity the world has ever known.
NOW! Civilian Friends vs. Veteran Friends Comparisons
CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Get upset if you're too busy to talk to them for a week.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are glad to see you after years, and will happily carry on
the same conversation you were having the last time you met..
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have never seen you cry.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have cried with you.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Keep your stuff so long they forget it's yours.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Borrow your stuff for a few days then give it back.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Know a few things about you.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Could write a book with direct quotes from you.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will leave you behind if that's what the crowd is doing.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will kick the crowd's ass that left you behind.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Are for a while.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are for life.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have shared a few experiences.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have shared a lifetime of experiences no citizen could
ever dream of.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will take your drink away when they think you've had
enough.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will look at you stumbling all over the place and say,
'You better drink the rest of that before you spill it!'
Then carry you home safely and put you to bed...
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will talk crap to the person who talks crap about you.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will knock the hell out OF THEM...for using your name in vain.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will ignore this.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will forward this.
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A veteran - whether active duty, retired, or reserve- is someone who, at one
point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The Government of
Canada for an amount of 'up to and including my life'. . . and military wives
are as much veterans as their spouses.
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Old Dog Flying wrote: NOW! Civilian Friends vs. Veteran Friends Comparisons
CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Get upset if you're too busy to talk to them for a week.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are glad to see you after years, and will happily carry on
the same conversation you were having the last time you met..
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have never seen you cry.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have cried with you.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Keep your stuff so long they forget it's yours.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Borrow your stuff for a few days then give it back.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Know a few things about you.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Could write a book with direct quotes from you.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will leave you behind if that's what the crowd is doing.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will kick the crowd's ass that left you behind.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Are for a while.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Are for life.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Have shared a few experiences.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Have shared a lifetime of experiences no citizen could
ever dream of.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will take your drink away when they think you've had
enough.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will look at you stumbling all over the place and say,
'You better drink the rest of that before you spill it!'
Then carry you home safely and put you to bed...
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will talk crap to the person who talks crap about you.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will knock the hell out OF THEM...for using your name in vain.
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CIVILIAN FRIENDS: Will ignore this.
VETERAN FRIENDS: Will forward this.
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With all due respect... The part quoted above is ignorant, arrogant, and baseless, while doing nothing but perpetuating myths and stereotypes. The dedicated Serviceman, the selfish civilian... I know far too many who've been in the Forces, both here and in other nations who've had a considerably different experience. If you're trying to accomplish something, this isn't the way to do it.
I'm not sure how your post has anything to do with buying new aircraft. As someone else mentioned, the Forces are a voluntary establishment, those in them make their choices, the rest of us make ours. Simply being involved does not make you some mythical being, quite to the contrary in most cases.
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we could just buy them, cancel the order at full price then go ahead a buy them 3 years from now for an inflated price. It worked in the past
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You forgot to add in "an inferior model," in front of "at an inflated price.....sissyphus wrote:we could just buy them, cancel the order at full price then go ahead a buy them 3 years from now for an inflated price. It worked in the past
It's the system that's broken, which party's messing up and in what areas are only minor details. They are all the same.
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It amazes me that First air can keep their 2 C-130's in the air and Arctic Sunwest can keep their 2 DHC-5's in the air. These 2 companies probably fly more hours on their 2 aircraft then the Canadian Military flies on their whole fleet. Some how they keep them in the air.
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godsrcrazy wrote:It amazes me that First air can keep their 2 C-130's in the air and Arctic Sunwest can keep their 2 DHC-5's in the air. These 2 companies probably fly more hours on their 2 aircraft then the Canadian Military flies on their whole fleet. Some how they keep them in the air.
You remember the Labrador's we used to fly? Helifor is LOGGING with one that has a cool 70,000+hrs on it... And it doesn't get much more abusive on an airframe than logging. The issue is a different system civi vs mil.
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Re: More New Aircraft for the CAF
I remember seeing a Sea King at the Abby Airshow that had the flight hours proudly blazened on the cowling, a whole 18,000 hours.sky's the limit wrote:godsrcrazy wrote:It amazes me that First air can keep their 2 C-130's in the air and Arctic Sunwest can keep their 2 DHC-5's in the air. These 2 companies probably fly more hours on their 2 aircraft then the Canadian Military flies on their whole fleet. Some how they keep them in the air.
You remember the Labrador's we used to fly? Helifor is LOGGING with one that has a cool 70,000+hrs on it... And it doesn't get much more abusive on an airframe than logging. The issue is a different system civi vs mil.
stl
Seeing all the hoops you have to go through to maintain military machines with my small experiences with the Herc and T-33, it's any wonder these machines can't last. Good thing most of the third-party maintenance contracts are cost-plus-fee and not at commercially viable rates...
Geez did I say that....? Or just think it....?
