Cargojet

[airwings]

Wow we are all out in full force. Bashing our own company and family once again. Some of you are obviously not company employees but just jealous competitors who cant stand how cargojet has become a major force. I dont pay much attention to all these rumours until i hear it from the horses mouths. Often these rumours are not what the actual realities are.
at appears that the company ceo and managemant invited some pilots for a fire side chat in regards to the future direction of the company. I am told the company is facing some uphill battles from its customer base, and is looking from input and guidance from all staff memebers and exploring all options to ensure the company stays health. Indeed a fine way of handling things instead of walking in the doors and facing a receiver and finding doors locked. Please go ask skyservice employees what happens when you lose a major customer when you are not attentive in the marketplace. all i know cjt has had many issues but people have always listened and tried to help. I dnt think anyone including me has ever missed a raise, airline tickets for families, and bonuses as late as 3 months ago. So guys why dont we just cool our heels and be patient for 48 hours and listen to the CEO confrence call on monday and what he has to say. No sense assuming worst. from what i know and what i have experienced cjt is neither stupid nor incompetent . So lets save our comments for monday and give them to people and at a time where they can make a difference rather than making our competitors happy in a public forum. we will only join the skyservice guys to seek employment elsewhere at 30 percent less wages and and bottom of seniority lists of slave driving sunwing or canjet or be a so at keloWna Dc10s. if at the end of our actions there is no company. i have been thru nine past failed aviation companies and i dnt need to go to another one. This might not be perfect, BUT BETTER THAN MY PREVIOUS NINE ONES. Lets see what monday s call brings, as we might look like ediots if the company has positive approach . Also if you guys think the unions will solve our issues, WELL AT MY PREVIOSUS NINE PLACES, UNIONS WERE THE REASON THAT COLLECTED THEIR DUES FROM MY HARD EARNED MONEY , DID ZERO FOR US AND DROVE THE COMPANY OUT OF BIZ. GOOD LUCK..SURE IT COULD NOT SAVE SKYSERVICE . IF ANYONE CAN GIVE YOU ANY SECURITY IS OUR CUSTOMERS SO LOOK AFTER THEM PLEASE.

[boeingboy]

Yeah, you guys are right..AJ is smart..very smart and that's why CJ is where it is today

HA HA HA......if you only knew the TRUTH!!

He's screwed things up more than you know. You guys should be 10 times bigger and richer than you are!

[W8Grunt]

[atpilot]

Yeah, you guys are right..AJ is smart..very smart and that's why CJ is where it is today...do you need a walk down memory lane boys/girls...and what happened to all of the air cargo carriers before CJ? And as for luxury items..what about KFC's CEO who has private planes and luxury yachts?

If the company does well, there's nothing wrong with spending some on yourself. Isn't that what having your own business is all about? And no one at KFC has been told that they have to take a pay cut!

[TommyG]

Airwings; sounds to me like someone gunny for a manegment pos!!! And from what I hear about you, you'ed get lots of support and do the right thing. Unlike Kingcargo your not two faced and you call it as you see it. hope he can sleep well at night with his 200+ a year when guys will be losing their homes.

I never tryed to start shit about a Union with guys that simply don't want one but how shitty are they going to treat these guys??? they work harder then anyother airlinhe pilot in this country with shitty pay already. Trust me after flying night freight most of my 10 year career, 18 days away from home is hard and now your going to work these guys even harder with less pay. Guys will start losing the livelyhood. I always thought that AJ was trying to make that a destination company not a large jet training company?? Yes my employer has private airplane's and yes he driving home his new 65 mil cruise ship right now from oversea's but at least he pay's us and we work a normal sched. Ya we work hard too when we go to work but at least its only 14 +or- a day or two. I hope I get to fly with some of these great well trained guys/girls over here where we respect pilots. Hope all goes well come Monday good luck.

[teacher]

Reasonable unions do not bankrupt companies. Companies bankrupt companies.

[whipline]

"we will only join the skyservice guys to seek employment elsewhere at 30 percent less wages and and bottom of seniority lists of slave driving sunwing or canjet or be a so at keloWna Dc10s"

Really? Wasn't CJT taking away days off and maxing everyone's hours? I think you might have this backwards.

I agree with Teacher 100%. If you work for a good company who treats their employees properly then why not a union? If you have been at 9 companies maybe you should have learned to stop drinking the koolaid. I did.

[Phsyco SID]

I for one am trying to be positive and hoping for some good news on Mondays conference call, however good news is hard to come by these days in this company.

If you look at the year end results it clearly states that the cost cutting measures out weighed the decline in revenues resulting in a higher profit last year. If this is the case than why are we running things so thin? If the company was losing money than I would gladly accept a pay cut to help the company through, however if its to increase the profits to the share holders than I do not. CJ has turned a good profit even after paying to acquire PE Air, and Skylink in the past year. Im no financial wizard however it seems to me that they are taking money out of the pockets of thier employees to pay for these acquisitions while maintaining a high profit margin for Ajay and his share holders.

As for the "open door policy" I feel this is the biggest farce ever when it comes to CJ and its policies. I have emailed several of the management team in recent months regarding an on going issue and I havent even recieved as much as a response let alone any sort of solution. I know we are in tough economic times however it doesn't cost a penny to send and email. The doors might very well be open but no one inside seems to be willing to listen!

Thats just my 2 cents.....

[W8Grunt]

[shortbus]

Some strong words W8Grunt.....I feel your frustration and agree with you, why should we take a paycut while the shareholders get richer...

"CJ has turned a good profit even after paying to acquire PE Air, and Skylink in the past year. Im no financial wizard however it seems to me that they are taking money out of the pockets of thier employees to pay for these acquisitions while maintaining a high profit margin for Ajay and his share holders."

Maybe CJ should stop acquiring failing 703 operators!

[RichAir]

Failing operator? Do you mean brand new planes should be bought and personnel not coming from the three 703 hired? If you mean they should have just started their ops with a new brand without using the expertise of the people already on the field, it's what was done at the beginning. It didn't work out, so it's the reason they came with pe air. If monday call is really bad news, why were the bid that low when it was unnecessary agaisnt morning star. Should the bid be higher? Because there's not much options other than cutting on employees if you don't get more from the client, as long ops are running well.

[DaveP]

Airwings

[florch]

Kingcargo and Airwings should be ashamed of there bold faced scare tactics. Unionized pilots earn more money. That's their fear. They are less likely to be pushed into unfair and unsafe situations. That is also not what CJ wants -they want yes men.

And what's up with denigrating KFC, who along with Morningstar are THE successful pioneering freight companies in Canada who earn nice profits and treat their pilots better at the same time, and have for 20+ years? That's success to be proud of.

And why the shots at the charter folks? When it comes to working conditions and pay, making comparisons with these companies is not furthering your feeble argument.

PS Airwings, try spell check or get your Mom to proofread for you.

[arrowhead77]

It sounds to me that there is a few on here that can take the pinch of a 15% pay cut and the rrsp's being withheld, if this is actually the case. Im sure that these guys (money men )are making a whole lot more than some of the SO's/FO/Captn's throughout CJT team (Main line/Regional)and can take the cut without being hurt to much.

[Flightlevels]

u guys better take a look around the industry. Do what it takes to keep the company going. (it's better than UI pays). There aren't a lot of jobs around. Ask the ssv guys. Amazing how the whiners come out when times get a little rough. You have some top shelf guys there that pour in the extra time to make it work. (DM comes to mind) I agree. don't like it leave. (just don't apply at my shop)

[BOLLYWOOD]

Everyone just chill. I heard our fearless little man is becoming a FE and working full time without pay. One team. Ya your right kingcargo, he is really respected in the industry. Just ask his best bud Milton (ACE); they hang out all the time at Raptors games. He is also into making millions off his employees expenses, Ohh ya and just ask the Morning Star pilot group? Being all proud of himself in the pilot meeting that he put a low ball bid last sept, in and caused them to take pay cut. Carma kills. They're over paid anyway ONE TEAM.

[bluebird22]

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[full throttle]

Here's an idea for you guys. Why don't you look at KFC's and Morningstar's contract, organise yourselves, and demand equal pay and working conditions. That's how it works in most industry's. You look at the other guys contract and you demand equal or better renumeration. They in turn will use your contratct to do the same. In the end we all do a little better. This race to the bottom has to stop.

[mattedfred]

Also if you guys think the unions will solve our issues, WELL AT MY PREVIOSUS NINE PLACES, UNIONS WERE THE REASON THAT COLLECTED THEIR DUES FROM MY HARD EARNED MONEY , DID ZERO FOR US AND DROVE THE COMPANY OUT OF BIZ.

Airwings,

Would you mind listing all nine of your former unionized workplaces that are no longer in operation?

[airwings]

All you complainers are out in full force. Sure. I am not going to lower myself and answer personal questions or attack anyone personally. I believe most of you kfc amd ms guys would love to see cjt collapse so you guys can pick up the business. You guys are simply serving your own purpose. Go on sure you have nothing better to do. You guys can talk all you want as you guys have govt of canada agreements that we all pay for.
Try surviving in real world where cjt has to earn each kilo without govt subsidies.
As far as 15% pay cut is concerned, I would like to reserve my judgement till i hear from the company. I am not a believer of rumours and neither i am prepared to work in your company at the bottom of the list so you guys can secure yourselves. Have a great life guys no hard feeling.

[full throttle]

Airwings being the cheapest doesn't always get you the business. AJ has learned that lesson many times. The last thing I want is see another company fold and you or anyone else out of a job. I just wan't to see flight crews stand up for themselves and get paid what they deserve and get out of this backwards slide. Good luck on Monday.

[mattedfred]

Sure. I am not going to lower myself and answer personal questions or attack anyone personally.

Your the one that brought it up. I'm not sure why you would refrain from providing the names of nine airlines that went out of business while the pilots were represented by a trade union.

I do not work for KFC or MS.

[Phlyer]

Best of luck to the hardworking CJ folks. Here's hoping you don't get the usual 'we're all one family', 'growing pains', 'different lanes on the same highway', 'let's get a few drinks' etc.

['79K20driver]

Always be a little suspicious of management and management wannabes when they throw around words like "family" and "one team". Words and statements like that are nothing more than tools to get you to do more for less.

[ScudRunner]

So whats the deal with the conference call from the Politburo down on Britannia Road??