Taliban Execute Seven-Year Old Afghan Boy Accused of Spying

[niss]

[LousyFisherman]

Now STL, we all know the media machine and governments never lie.

Please keep speaking, even if the sheeple don't want to listen, they need to know.

Of course most of them have never left Canada and even in Canada most of them have never been arrested but they KNOW what is right!!!!!

The reactions to your posts are why I rarely read the Misc forum.

The fact that our "enemies" are assholes does make the behaviour of our "allies" acceptable.
Support our troops, bring them home!!!

LF

[bmc]

I don't know if this true but...do ya really think the USA and the west is some big happy Charity who just "liberates" any old country?

Of course. They've been appointed by God to do so.

[Hedley]

NEWSFLASH

One-dimensional, anti-american rhetoric is just as tiring and false as one-dimensional pro-american rhetoric

Too many long words? Too complex a concept for this crowd?

[Dash-Ate]

dont let the facts get in the way of your cult delusions.



from:

Afghanistan: The Longest Lost War

By James Petras

June 16, 2010 "Information Clearing House" -- -



"The US Strategy: The Making of an Afghan Neocolony:

Between 2001-2010 the US military expenditures total $428 billion dollars; the colonial occupation has led to over 7,228 dead and wounded as of June 1, 2010. As the US military situation deteriorates, the White House escalates the number of troops resulting in a greater number of killed and wounded. During the past 18 months of the Obama regime more soldiers were killed or wounded than in the previous eight years.

The White House and Pentagon strategy is premised on massive flows of money, arms and an increase in the number of surrogates, mainly subsidized warlords and puppet western educated ex-pats. The White House “development aid” involves, literally, purchasing the transient loyalties of clan leaders. The White House attempts to give a veneer of legitimacy by running elections, which enhance the corrupt image of the incumbent puppet regime in Kabul and its regional associates.

On the military front, the Pentagon launches one “offensive” after another, announcing one success after another, followed by a retreat and return of the Resistance fighters. The US campaigns disrupt trade, agricultural harvests and markets, while the air assaults targeting “Taliban” and militants, more frequently than not end up killing more civilians celebrating weddings, religious holidays and shoppers at markets than combatants. The reason for the high percentage of civilian killings is clear to everyone except the US Generals: there are no distinctions between “militants” and millions of Afghan civilians since the former are an integral part of their communities.

The key and ultimately decisive problem facing the US occupation is that it is a colonial enclave in the midst of a colonized people. The US, its local puppets and its NATO allies are a foreign colonial army and its Afghan military and police recruits are seen as mere instruments perpetuating illegitimate rule. Every action, whether violent or benign, is perceived and interpreted as transgressing the norms and historical legacies of a proud and independent people. In everyday life, every move by the occupation is disruptive; nothing moves except by command of the foreign directed military and police. Under threat of force, people fake co-operation and then provide assistance to their fathers, brothers and sons in the Resistance. The recruits take the money and turn their arms over to the Resistance. The paid village informants are double agents or identified by their neighbors and targeted by insurgents.

The Afghan collaborators, Washington’s closest allies, are seen as corrupt traitors; transient rulers who have their bags packed and US passports in hand, ready to flee when the US is forced to exit. All the programs, “reconstruction” funds, training missions and “civic programs” have failed to win the allegiance of the Afghan people, now as in the past as well as in the future, because they are seen as part of the US military occupation ultimately based on violence.
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[The Old Fogducker]

Its getting tougher to tell the cultists from the radicalized all the time.

OFD

[mcrit]

Its getting tougher to tell the cultists from the radicalized all the time.

One can do it if one tries, but it's a lot of effort for very little return.

[iflyforpie]

NEWSFLASH

One-dimensional, anti-american rhetoric is just as tiring and false as one-dimensional pro-american rhetoric

Too many long words? Too complex a concept for this crowd?

Hey, the one-dimensional thing is my line! Anyways, I thought you liked Venn diagrams...

[Dash-Ate]

I'd say about 80-90% of our "news" about the middle east is pure fiction. We believe it because believing the lie is easy. The lazy man's way.

And almost every major USA new outlet is owned or run by pro-israel fanatical types so what do you expect.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm


Sunday, 23 September, 2001, 12:30 GMT 13:30 UK
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well


A man called Waleed Al Shehri says he left the US a year ago

Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.

His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.

[mcrit]

A man called Waleed Al Shehri says he left the US a year ago

I'm sure that there could only ever be ONE person in the entire world with that name.

[Siddley Hawker]

I'm sure that there could only ever be ONE person in the entire world with that name.

Probably confusing him with Santa Claus or something.

[The Old Fogducker]

It may be like those ads for credit cards where the card holder is::

Your Name Here,
123 Main St,
Yourtown,
Canada

[Dex]

Thread Title: "Taliban Execute Seven-Year Old Afghan Boy Accused of Spying"

First Sentence of supporting article: "Suspected Taliban militants executed a seven-year-old boy in southern Afghanistan after accusing him of spying for the government, a provincial official said Wednesday.

not everyone can be the sharpest pencil in the drawer.

[Dash-Ate]

"we had a pretty gung-ho commander, who decided that because we were getting hit by IEDs a lot, there would be a new battalion SOP [standard operating procedure].He goes, "If someone in your line gets hit with an IED, 360 rotational fire. You kill every motherf*cker on the street." Myself and Josh and a lot of other soldiers were just sitting there looking at each other like, "Are you kidding me? You want us to kill women and children on the street?" And you couldn't just disobey orders to shoot, because they could just make your life hell in Iraq. So like with myself, I would shoot up into the roof of a building instead of down on the ground toward civilians. But I've seen it many times, where people are just walking down the street and an IED goes off and the troops open fire and kill them."

[Dash-Ate]

when are people going to wake up.....

"McCord is one of a growing number of soldiers and support groups who have renounced their actions in Iraq. He said:

"I was the gung-ho soldier. I thought I was going over there to do the greater good. I thought my job over there was to protect the Iraqi people and that this was a job with honor and courage and duty.

I was hit by an IED within two weeks of my being in Iraq. And I didn't understand why people were throwing rocks at us, why I was being shot at and why we're being blown up, when I have it in my head that I was here to help these people."

McCord says the scenes captured in the Wikileaks video are "an every-day occurrence in Iraq."

"

[mcrit]

Thread title contains the words "Taliban" and "Afghanistan", not "Iraq".

[reality check]

Thread title contains the words "Taliban" and "Afghanistan", not "Iraq".

If that wasn't so lame, it would be comical.

Stop the presses everyone, Mcrit has made a crucial distinction

[mcrit]

If that wasn't so lame, it would be comical.

I will defer to your judgement here as you are the expert at being unintentionally entertaining.

[The Old Fogducker]

Maybe McCord should have joined the Peace Corps instead of the Army.

After all Dash ... you've maintained for a long time all western armed forces have been established exclusively for the purpose of killing and maiming people who are non-whites.

Now as an ex Army Reserve guy, I wasn't fully briefed on my role .. perhaps because I wasn't Reg Force.

OFD

[Slats]

I'd say about 80-90% of our "news" about the middle east is pure fiction.

Got anything to back that figure up?

[Expat]

STL: IMHO your attempts to equate NATO and the Taliban are simply bizarre.

Such an attitude reflects either incredible naivete or outrageous bias.

If you think that my holding this opinion makes me a "bad person", well, I guess I'll just have to live with that (shrug)

Hedley,

This is my last post on the topic, but with all due respect, it is your last that is laughable in its "naivete" I'm afraid. You have not been there, you have little to no understanding of the situation there, nor its evolution, or its history - how could you? This, despite your hopes, does not make you "a bad person, what it makes you - and almost everyone else commenting on these threads or sitting at home in Canada - is wholly unqualified and ill-equipped to discuss it with any semblance of sense or accuracy. Edited to add: One would think that anyone with a true interest in this subject would be all over talking with someone who's been there on the ground, out in the country talking to locals, not sequestered in bases or compounds like the military or most contractors are? Unfortunately with a few exceptions, most around here don't want to.

Instead, most of you decide that your opinions are not only worth listening to, but worth ranting and raving about here on Avcanada, that my friend is truly naive. It is a cycle that repeats itself endlessly here. To draw you a really loose, and pre-coffee analogy, it would be like having a guy with a student pilot permit start telling you about the finer points of low-level aerobatic technique... I say a loose analogy because that person would have more of an idea about it than most here have about this particular topic.

You very obviously have no idea what war is like. I have been in a position to see it from both sides, not as a soldier for one side or the other, not as a biased media observer, but as a human being try to reconcile what is going on and watching countless lives destroyed on both sides. That you and several other of the usual suspects around here cannot see how much damage we are doing and how much damage is being done to our people in these wars is actually the only truly "bizarre" thing here. I have seen it up close and personal on both sides. It show me you have no idea what you're talking about. Mcrit or somebody asked about intent when it comes to civilian deaths... that says all I need to know - I think people watch too many movies.

If you're ever out West, you are more than welcome to come over and I'll show you a hard-drive packed full of images I cannot make public, and of interviews with military personnel that could put me in jail or subject me to heavy fines because they are all in violation of the embedded reporting contract I signed for parts of my time there. While we're at it, we could do a similar albeit smaller exercise with Haiti... but that's another subject.

So, over lunch, maybe, just maybe, you and the rest could sit down and realize that your opinions are based on precious little information - this does not make you stupid or "bad" people - it makes you uninformed. Then perhaps you might be willing to listen for a change instead of making like you've got it all figured out. I know I don't, and I've seen and heard, and experienced so much more than you can imagine in this theatre.

That's really all I have to say on the subject anymore, it's just not worth the bother in this medium trying to help people see more clearly, as I said above it's simply a place where people like to rant.

Enjoy your summer.

stl

Right on stl!!!
After almost six years in this place, I tend to agree that people, even the military, are ignorant of the truth. Reports number the Talibs at 25,000 max!!! With 130,000 well fed and armed foreign troops on the ground, why is the situation deteriorating? Why is the drug trade increasing???
This whole thing is a farce. It is a dream of every war monging country to have its private war in a foreign land, where they make the rules, invent the ennemy, and reap all the benefits...
The real information is there, available to anyone who cares to read it.
I say bring the troops homes soonest...

[Hedley]

It is a dream of every war monging country to have its private war in a foreign land, where they make the rules, invent the ennemy, and reap all the benefits

So according to you: Canada is a "war monging country" which "invented" the Taliban for it's own propaganda purposes, correct?

Ok, if there is no "enemy" in Afganistan, who killed all the Canadian troops over there?

And what "benefits" are we "reaping" by having troops over there?!

Again, simply bizarre.

[Expat]

It is a dream of every war monging country to have its private war in a foreign land, where they make the rules, invent the ennemy, and reap all the benefits

So according to you: Canada is a "war monging country" which "invented" the Taliban for it's own propaganda purposes, correct?

Ok, if there is no "enemy" in Afganistan, who killed all the Canadian troops over there?

And what "benefits" are we "reaping" by having troops over there?!

Again, simply bizarre.

Canada is only guilty of being too nice to the neighbours. This is not Canadian tradition to fight this kind of war. We only did it once to oppose the vilain communists in Korea. This is not even remotely peace-keeping.
We should get out soonest, because we are smarter as a nation...We will never get any benefits from this, then why continue??? Are we threatened? Are we being targetted? What good is there patrolling the Kandahar streets during the day, when at night the Talibs control them? What good are we doing in a city where the governor is the biggest drug dealer and the half brother of the puppet prez?
I see no reason why any Canadian should die from this type of operations. We are in fact now talking about giving back the control of the province to the good Talibs!!!

[Hedley]

This is not Canadian tradition to fight this kind of war. We only did it once to oppose the vilain communists in Korea. This is not even remotely peace-keeping

Actually, we were in WWI and WWII, which you may recall were distinctly "non-peacekeeping".

That "peacekeeping" propoganda nonsense died a merciful death with Trudeau.

Should we have stayed home for WWI and WWII as well?

We will never get any benefits from this

Hold on, in your previous post, you said:

reap all the benefits

Even by left-wing standards, your thinking is awfully muddled and inconsistent.