CF-18 Down in Lethbridge

[SAR_YQQ]

Please remember that I fly trash haulers now - but - I did fly the Tex2 and it had a similar MB escape system. There were two sorts of ejections that you could initiate - controlled and immediate. The controlled type involved a few steps, one of them being getting physically ready (ie sitting up straight, etc). The other drill was rather easy to remember "Ejection handle - Pull". I imagine that Brian had about 1-2 secs to determine that he was leaving that plane - so he really didn't have much time to prepare.

I am sure that AUXBATON can shed some light as to the specific Hornet escape drills that exist.

[North Shore]

Yup, it pretty much looks like an 'oh, sh!t, pull' type of affair, and a strained neck/back is a pretty good trade for the alternative. Does MB still give out tie pins if you successfully use their products? http://www.martin-baker.com/Sub-Navigat ... -Club.aspx

[ScudRunner]

The density Alt could be thirty thousand feet. Don't think it really matters when you have excess thrust, in the case of the F-18, even single engine.

Did anybody else catch the back round person in the video saying "woo-hoo" when it crashed?

"woo-hoo!" "Is that supposed to happen?" Morons, both of them. One wonders why people like that are allowed to walk around unsupervised in public?

Think they said after that "was that the TORA TORA," as in the
"Pearl Harbor" reenactment passes with the big explosions pyrotechnics they do at Airshows these days. Who knows where that idiot was looking or if he was comprehending WTF just happened.

[AuxBatOn]

North Shore,

There are 2 types of ejection, as SAR_YQQ said. Controlled and immediate.

In yesterday's case, it would have been the "immediate" scenario.

Zoom and Level wings
Assume Ejection Position
Command Ejection
Ejection Handle PULL

Yes, it's part of the Red Pages to assume the ejection position, however in a case like that, you do what you can to survive.

[winds_in_flight_wtf]

zoom ?

command ejection? what do these things mean.

Surely he did not recite a poem before ejecting? That all happened in 1 second. In one of those photos his head is not against the seat rather he ejected sideways. Immediate is immediate? Can you elaborate.

[AuxBatOn]

zoom ?

command ejection? what do these things mean.

Surely he did not recite a poem before ejecting? That all happened in 1 second. In one of those photos his head is not against the seat rather he ejected sideways. Immediate is immediate? Can you elaborate.

Zoom means that you convert speed for altitude (if you can). If you can eject in a nose up attitude, wings level while climbing, you have better chances of survival.

Command ejection is you say "Eject, Eject, Eject". Not really applicable in a single seat Hornet, but definately something you want to say in a 2-seater.

I don't recite red pages when I have to do them, but it's a mental check of what to do. After a while, it's second nature and you don't even think about what to do, you just do it (sts)

[niwre]

I wish your comrad a speedy recovery

[iflyforpie]

I wish your comrad a speedy recovery

+1.

[RatherBeFlying]

When you look at the video frame by frame around 6 seconds the bank goes to something like 75 degrees; the nose gets a bit of rudder up, but then starts down again at about the same time as the canopy eject burst appears.

Hats off to MB for a literally last second save.

[canwhitewolf]

if one examines the pictures carefully,it can be seen that just before the crash a few feet off the ground that the left engine nozzle is wide open basically( perhaps afterburner postion) and the right engine nozzle is in probable cruise position or not as open (or at least its different)

why the difference in exhaust nozzel positioning...an engine failure of some kind??

any opinions

[AuxBatOn]

if one examines the pictures carefully,it can be seen that just before the crash a few feet off the ground that the left engine nozzle is wide open basically( perhaps afterburner postion) and the right engine nozzle is in probable cruise position or not as open (or at least its different)

why the difference in exhaust nozzel positioning...an engine failure of some kind??

any opinions

It can be a bunch of things. Basically, all it says is that the two engines are not at the same power setting, provided the nozzles were scheduling properly. Anything else would be pure speculation.

[YWGGuy]

Just looking at the video and it appears that he had one of those seats that fire you straight up... Stabilized Ejection Seat is that the right word? Anyhow my question is - do all the hornets now have it or was he lucky he was in the right airplane?

[boeingboy]

All modern day fighters have had gyro stabilized ejection seats for a long time - they are not a new thing.

[boeingboy]

Basically, all it says is that the two engines are not at the same power setting, provided the nozzles were scheduling properly.

Yes - hence some kind of failure. Wether it was a power rollback, turbine failure, component failure, crosswind, birds, sheep, or little boys with magic wands - remains to be seen.

[AuxBatOn]

Basically, all it says is that the two engines are not at the same power setting, provided the nozzles were scheduling properly.

Yes - hence some kind of failure. Wether it was a power rollback, turbine failure, component failure, crosswind, birds, sheep, or little boys with magic wands - remains to be seen.

Nope, doesn't mean there was a failure.

[winds_in_flight_wtf]

Is there a lock on each power handle? If i was to hold the left handle and move it up, would the right one move up as well?(is there a little flip lock or something keeping them together yet can be removed at a moment’s notice?) Or are they both completely free moving?so the pilot just operates both with near identical feel ?

[AuxBatOn]

They are controlled independently. You put your left hand on both throttles at the same time but can move the left/right throttles by themselve.

[2R]

How quickly will they get him back in the air ?
When you fall off a horse ,it is always best to get back on as soon as possible.

[SAR_YQQ]

He'll fly as soon as he is cleared by the Flight Surgeon.

[winds_in_flight_wtf]

Question again: I assume the CF runs in a similar fashion to that of the US Demo Forces.... rather any foreign demo Force? I mean every scenario is different however, if it came down to pilot error, would he not be relieved from the Demo position? I remember reading something in the past about Thunderbird/Blue Angel/Snowbird drivers who were removed due to “mistakes”? I am not implying anything, just if this was the case what are the chances of being strapped back in?

Second question, but are there specific procedures on casualty management with regards to ditching?

[AuxBatOn]

The CF Flight Safety Process is much much different than other countries'. It's non-punitive and it serves one purpose only, to learn from our mistakes and get safer.

[canwhitewolf]

if one examines the pictures carefully,it can be seen that just before the crash a few feet off the ground that the left engine nozzle is wide open basically( perhaps afterburner postion) and the right engine nozzle is in probable cruise position or not as open (or at least its different)

why the difference in exhaust nozzel positioning...an engine failure of some kind??

any opinions

It can be a bunch of things. Basically, all it says is that the two engines are not at the same power setting, provided the nozzles were scheduling properly. Anything else would be pure speculation.

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I think that the observance of the nozzels .5 of a second prior to the planes contact with the ground before the crash is far more than just speculation...its an indicator of a prior problem and the investigators will be looking at that real careful im sure

Witness Roland Booth said: "All of a sudden you could hear pop, pop, pop, I saw sparks come out of the engine. The plane started banking over to the side. That's when the pilot bailed out with his parachute

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -22438282/

[AuxBatOn]

I think that the observance of the nozzels .5 of a second prior to the planes contact with the ground before the crash is far more than just speculation...its an indicator of a prior problem and the investigators will be looking at that real careful im sure

There is one fact: the 2 nozzles were not in the same position. Any conclusion you may come to with that fact is speculation.

Witness Roland Booth said: "All of a sudden you could hear pop, pop, pop, I saw sparks come out of the engine. The plane started banking over to the side. That's when the pilot bailed out with his parachute

I have not seen that on the video. The pop sounds may be the canopy jettisonning and the seat firing. I would take what witnesses that have zip experience with a grain of salt.

[canwhitewolf]

I think that the observance of the nozzels .5 of a second prior to the planes contact with the ground before the crash is far more than just speculation...its an indicator of a prior problem and the investigators will be looking at that real careful im sure

There is one fact: the 2 nozzles were not in the same position. Any conclusion you may come to with that fact is speculation.

Witness Roland Booth said: "All of a sudden you could hear pop, pop, pop, I saw sparks come out of the engine. The plane started banking over to the side. That's when the pilot bailed out with his parachute

I have not seen that on the video. The pop sounds may be the canopy jettisonning and the seat firing. I would take what witnesses that have zip experience with a grain of salt.

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yes i suppose The pop sounds may be the canopy jettisonning and the seat firing.

and he ( the witness) saw sparks coming out of the engine.."whats up with that" do ya think

and truthfully he wasnt the only one who heard pop pop pop etc as the plane flew by, it was also reported by others specuation or not it does seem there was some kind of problem

i wonder what kind of experience do you think someone has to have to observe sparks coming out of an engine

but of course we dont know what the problem was but the fact that the nozzels were like that is an indication of something i guess

[AuxBatOn]

and he ( the witness) saw sparks coming out of the engine.."whats up with that" do ya think

Ever heard of Afterburner? No, I am not talking about the drink.