Redneck Swiss at it Again

[Northern Skies]

The next thing they should do is introduce a gun registry because it also reduces crime, as proven in Canada.

Is that meant to be sarcasm? Please clarify.

[bmc]

The next thing they should do is introduce a gun registry because it also reduces crime, as proven in Canada.

Is that meant to be sarcasm? Please clarify.

Full throttle on the sarcasm.

[Northern Skies]

Full throttle on the sarcasm.

Right on..... *retracts claws*

[JakeYYZ]

Gee bmc, you're a beacon of light and a font of wisdom in these dark days. Can you expand on this: “punitive measures”? I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Do prepubescent children have rights, bmc? Should forced marriages be legal in Switzerland or In any civilized society? It is muslims who must adapt, not the Swiss people.

[JakeYYZ]

Northern Skies, they did try to impose a gun registry , Feb 12,2011. The Swiss have direct democracy. Something we in Canada desperately need.

Doctors, churches and women's groups tried and failed Sunday to require military-issued firearms to be locked in secure army depots. They also wanted the Swiss government to establish a national gun registry and ban the sale of fully automatic weapons and pump-action rifles, arguing this would help cut incidents of domestic violence and Switzerland's high rate of firearms suicides.
The clear defeat of the proposal — 56.3 percent of voters rejected it — may seem surprising for a peaceful nation that hasn't been at war with its neighbors since Napoleon invaded two centuries ago. But this is a country that cherishes the myth of William Tell and its soldiers' supposed defiance of Nazi Germany in World War II.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110213/ap_ ... earms_vote

[Northern Skies]

Northern Skies, they did try to impose a gun registry , Feb 12,2011. The Swiss have direct democracy. Something we in Canada desperately need.

Yeah, I was following the story. It was a few whose huge egos enabled them to preach that their simplistic solution to a non-existent problem would justify undermining the liberty of swiss citizens as well as the strategy of Switzerland's sovereignty.

The seeds of this, as well as the flawed arguments, can be traced back to Rebecca Peters of IANSA, the "international action network on small arms". Their organization has a mandate of civil disarmament to enable statism. They, and affiliated organizations such as the Canadian "Coalition" for Gun Control (in quotations because it is basically one person, ryerson university professor Wendy Cukier), are the originators of terms such as "gun crime" (instead of "violent crime"), and "gun suicide" (instead of "suicide"). They use these weasel words to skew the statistics and evoke an emotional response among uninformed audiences. They did so in countries such as Canada, South Africa, the United Kingdom , and others.

The fabricated "problem" in Switzerland was suicide related. They compared the "gun" suicide rates of switzerland to that of other european countries without mentioning the actual suicide rate.

The same thing happens in Canada, where they use such lies to demonize the example of one of the things our neighbour to the south tends to get right, and attempt to persuade canadians to "be different" through anti-americanism and other emotional arguments. When in a fair debate, they get steamrolled by the truth. They point out that the USA's "gun" suicide rate is 7 times higher than that of Canada's, but fail to recognize that Canada has a higher overall suicide rate than the United States when all methods are considered. It appears that someone is going to use whatever tool is available, rather than their argument of "the gun" making them do it.

It should also be noted that the USA is very diverse from state to state, and some states are very restrictive of firearms. If going more in depth into that comparison, it would be wise to look at it on a state-by-state basis.

Here is a chart regarding Canadavs. USA in general, sources are cited:



The Switzerland vs. rest of europe comparison was similar to the Canada vs. US one, which I show instead because I have the hard numbers handy. Luckily, the swiss are capable of logical thought! And that they have a kickass democracy instead of our "elected oligarchy".

[azimuthaviation]

Hey Jake why dont you be the change you want to see? Why dont you post your name and who you work for and Ill do all I can to make sure that no Muslim or immigrant will ever take their business there again?

[azimuthaviation]

[quote="JakeYYZ"]The Swiss have direct democracy. Something we in Canada desperately need.
[quote]

So you want to change the Canadian system to be like that of a foreign nation? Just like the people you "rebel" against. Maybe you need to adapt to our system? Or get out. Either way is fine with me.

[Northern Skies]

so you want to change the Canadian system to be like that of a foreign nation? Just like the people you "rebel" against. Maybe you need to adapt to our system? Or get out. Either way is fine with me.

With an attitude like that, we would still have a feudal system. Would you enjoy being a serf?

[azimuthaviation]

Right. The dark days of Canadian Feudalism. I would hate to go back to those times. "rolls eyes"

[Northern Skies]

Roll your eyes all you want. But our culture has ha heritage extending far beyond 1867.

[azimuthaviation]

OK well just for my information can you tell me what year Canada gave up the feudal system and which country was the inspiration to change? Was it Switzerland? And you must have deep roots in this land, what princely state did you come from?

[Moose47]

Charlie don't serf!

[bmc]

Gee bmc, you're a beacon of light and a font of wisdom in these dark days. Can you expand on this: “punitive measures”?

Punitive as in they don't do a damn thing other than satisify the jack boot crowd. Prohibiting the construction of minerets is a perfect example. No more minerets. Currently four in the country. Despite the fact that there are over 200 mosques.

The jack boots should raise signs like "We hate muslims". Just like Germany promoted "We hate Jews." (wait a minute...am I allowed to write that on a Canadian website under Harper's command?)

[JakeYYZ]

Gee bmc, you're a beacon of light and a font of wisdom in these dark days. Can you expand on this: “punitive measures”?

Punitive as in they don't do a damn thing other than satisify the jack boot crowd.

You mean the Swiss nationalist crowd, don’t you?
Stupid white liberals continue to think in terms of: white nationalism = racism/imperialism/oppression AND non-white nationalism = resistance/reclamation of lost identity/liberation. For most white liberals, 'white nationalism' conjures up images of Hitler, WWII, and white oppression of non-whites while 'non-white nationalism' conjures up images of Gandhi, Mandela, and Ho Chi Minh. Great horrors were committed in the name of anti-imperialism. Many parts of the world turned far worse after 'liberation', but then liberals, in their clever stupidity, have reasons and excuses for that too.
So, liberals don't think nationalism is always bad. It just depends on the context and colour.
White nationalism: BAD. Non-White nationalism: GOOD.

[2R]

Pol Pot,Mao,Tojo,Mugabe,Idi Amin,Castro's........but in these days of politically correct censorship we cannot discuss those genocidial mass murderers or be accused of being incorrect or insensitive.
So lets talk about the weather instead

[azimuthaviation]

Wow jake you have a lot to say, you should write a book. Then we'll see how many people buy into your ludicrous thoughts. In the meantime why dont you take the lead and mention who your employer is so that we can make sure no non-whites go there? Then you can work in your own little white paradise. You have the bals to do that? Or you just like to yap?

[azimuthaviation]

Hey NorthernSkies why did the history lesson stop? I was just starting to learn a lot about canadas past I wasnt aware of lol

[bmc]

Gee bmc, you're a beacon of light and a font of wisdom in these dark days. Can you expand on this: “punitive measures”?

Punitive as in they don't do a damn thing other than satisify the jack boot crowd.

You mean the Swiss nationalist crowd, don’t you?
Stupid white liberals continue to think in terms of: white nationalism = racism/imperialism/oppression AND non-white nationalism = resistance/reclamation of lost identity/liberation. For most white liberals, 'white nationalism' conjures up images of Hitler, WWII, and white oppression of non-whites while 'non-white nationalism' conjures up images of Gandhi, Mandela, and Ho Chi Minh. Great horrors were committed in the name of anti-imperialism. Many parts of the world turned far worse after 'liberation', but then liberals, in their clever stupidity, have reasons and excuses for that too.
So, liberals don't think nationalism is always bad. It just depends on the context and colour.
White nationalism: BAD. Non-White nationalism: GOOD.

So, do you think that Hitler may have been on to something?

[niss]

I loved his book "Meow Kampf".

[2R]

How did that cat get passed the new politically correct eugenics programme that Tommy Douglas wanted instituted in the brave new order of the lefties version of a totalitarian utophian programme of socialist social engineering.
Whoever said the Saskatchewan Socialists did not have the same views as the National Socialists obviously never read Tommy Douglas thesis.

[Siddley Hawker]

How did that cat get passed the new politically correct eugenics programme that Tommy Douglas wanted instituted in the brave new order of the lefties version of a totalitarian utophian programme of socialist social engineering.
Whoever said the Saskatchewan Socialists did not have the same views as the National Socialists obviously never read Tommy Douglas thesis.

Shhhhh...you're not supposed to talk about the CBC's Greatest Canadian and eugenics in the same breath.

[2R]

Thats ok ,i was nearly murdered one night by some young conservatives when i pointed out the obvious that Thatcher had been paraphrasing Lenin in her speeches.Not sure whether her speech writter was having some sport with her but they did not like me pointing out that she was a closet communist .The same group of young tories held a party across the road the night that the union headquarters was burned down (probably just a coincidence).No arrests made.
Although my favorite was listening to a UBC prof using the term FINAL SOLUTION five times during a speech about the native relationship with Canada.The first time he slipped in it to his speech i thought he done it to see who was awake in the room.Then i realized he was oblivious to its other darker historical meaning.
Not everyone pays attention when in class.
In fairness to Tommy Douglas :his friends forced the Liberal minority in the mid-sixties to bring in a similar Health Care programme that had been running with some measured success in the UK since 1947.I think that is why Canadians love minority governments and governance.

[JakeYYZ]

bmc, In Switzerland, as you should know, people refer to themselves as citizen sovereigns who are part of their democracy. I think there can be made a distinction between democracy by law and democracy in spirit. Democracy by law can do without its spirit, which is better than nothing at all. Democracy’s spirit on the other hand is reflected by its laws and practices. That is why Switzerland has referenda and its political infrastructure is set up in such a way that politicians face imperatives to serve their citizen sovereigns. Suffice it to say that Switzerland makes quite an impression on me.
Also, if one could argue Jews should have been saved during WWII, as well they should have been, since they faced mass murder, the vast majority of migrants, illegal immigrants, and 'refugees' who are flooding into the West are not running away from genocide but looking for welfare and economic opportunities.
Should not the native population have a say in what is acceptable behavior and what is not? Who needs to adapt? Forced marriages and child marriages should be accepted as normal? You have your answer: NO.

[helicopterray]

Should not the native population have a say in what is acceptable behavior and what is not

The native population hasn't been asked for their opinion for the last 500 years or so...