Crashes that resulted from co-pilots failing to speak up.

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Re: Crashes that resulted from co-pilots failing to speak up

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xsbank wrote:Briefings
Teamwork (CRM)
Communication (CRM)
Situational Awareness
Workload
Decisions
Professional Style
Aircraft Handling
Applied Knowledge
Nothing new here.

Brand new airplane, equipment (GPWS?), excellent maintenance, excellent initial and recurent training, good salaries, respect of your pilot and rules, this is what I beleive in, facts, not ideology, because that is what is going to bring a good team work, not the opposite. Now you can qualify anything you want "CRM", I don't mind.
But If I fly a crappy navajo for a crappy operator, crappy salary, CRM or not I am equally not interested. It shouldn't become the detail or the magic word that hides reality to give good conscience to some manager in some office somewhere.

Finally, of course we have the same goal, to work on being a good and safe professionnal as much as we possibly can everyday. But if there is something we are not already aware of that we should know to be safer, go ahead let's share it without hiding it behind a word.


Panama Jack: I read entirely the report of the Express II airlines/Northwest airlink flight 5719 (1993) crash, very interesting.
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Re: Crashes that resulted from co-pilots failing to speak up

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The BBC reports that the May 2010 crash in India had the copilot warning the captain to go around. Apparently the captain had slept more than half the flight (not the issue in itself) BUT he was disoriented when he woke up, and the approach was never stabilized, from initial reports. He ignored the SIC's warnings to abort the approach, with disastrous results.

158 people lost their lives in a horrific crash and fire because he landed long; one of the Indian investigators said they landed with 2200' of an 8000' runway remaining. The 737 slid down into a deep ravine.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11772562

http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 20100522-0
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