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Spring election, yes or no?

Yes
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No
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Yes, and a waste of $$.
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kevind wrote:A coalition would be fine if it includes the election "winner".
Well, if there was a clear winner, there would be no need for a coalition. However, to think that a coalition needs to include the party with the plurality of seats, is pure folly.
kevind wrote:Any coalition that does not include the party with the most seats is just the losers taking power that the voters did not think they earned.
Then you'd be in support of a Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition, since they are the ones that currently hold the most seats (160 out of 308, compared to the Cons 143).
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you'd be in support of a Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition
That's like supporting the tooth fairy, or the easter bunny. It's not going to happen.

What I simply can't believe is that you people are going to vote for Iggy and Jack.

Wow. I'd vote for the tooth fairy or the easter bunny before I would vote for Iggy or Jack. More credibility, better leadership skills.
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Hedley wrote:
you'd be in support of a Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition
That's like supporting the tooth fairy, or the easter bunny. It's not going to happen.What I simply can't believe is that you people are going to vote for Iggy and Jack.

Wow. I'd vote for the tooth fairy or the easter bunny before I would vote for Iggy or Jack. More credibility, better leadership skills.
Hedley - I'm not so sure. If we end up with similar seat structure after this election (and we probably will) I think that a coalition of the three stooges will be the first thing on thier collective agenda. The GG will have to accept them as the government if the present a deal in writing to him.
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[quote="yyz monkeyThen you'd be in support of a Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition, since they are the ones that currently hold the most seats (160 out of 308, compared to the Cons 143).[/quote]

No, because the party that had 143 seats was not included. Using the logic that you dont need the party with the highest seat count you could have 153 seats for 1 party, and 155 other parties with 1 seat each getting together and saying they are the government.

That being said there is one down side to me saying this....

Bloc wins Quebec - 75 seats
Greens get 9 seats
Independants win 2 seats
Other partys split the remainder - 74 each

And, the bloc wins ...

Airfarce did a great bit on this after the 1993 election... Bouchard won...
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a coalition of the three stooges
Ok, but it's going to have a half-life of around 1.2 nanoseconds before it falls to pieces, if it ever actually occured.

Then we get to have ANOTHER $300M election, and the lefties here will be pleased with another pile of taxpayer dough, pissed away for nothing.
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Hedley wrote:
a coalition of the three stooges
Ok, but it's going to have a half-life of around 1.2 nanoseconds before it falls to pieces, if it ever actually occured.

Then we get to have ANOTHER $300M election, and the lefties here will be pleased with another pile of taxpayer dough, pissed away for nothing.
Realistically, probably last about 3-6 months, just long enough to TOTALLY screw up the country. Then The Bloc would get pissy that they can't get more and more of everything, Taliban Jack would get incredibly resentful of being the "prince in waiting" and not the "Count", and Iggy would get a job offer back in the states and leave because it's "his country" as much as theirs.
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Brewguy wrote:How quickly the 'Right Wingers' forget (or choose to ignore), that it was a "Lefty" government (Liberal) who ran balanced budgets and paid off a whopping chunk of national debt. And they did so by cutting government services too ... which doesn't sound like a very 'lefty' thing to do.
Martin balanced the books using the tools left to him by the previous Conservative Gov't, and by slashing transfer payments to the provinces.

The PC's ran deficits because they had little real option. The Trudeau legacy meant the following governments could either slash federal spending and lay off huge numbers of federal employees, or tread water while trying to plug the dikes.

Negotiating NAFTA, and replacing the 13% manufacture's tax with the GST set the stage for a huge increase in federal revenue while stimulating the economy.

Martin's taken far too many bows for accomplishments that were handed to him on a silver platter.

Would a PC finance minister have done many of the same things Martin did to balance the books? Probably. And they would have been vilified by the provinces for the same reasons.
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yyz monkey wrote:
Hedley wrote:As a taxpayer, I like a smaller deficit. You probably don't even know what a deficit is, let alone debt, or even the difference between the two. Lefties simply don't care about fiscal responsibility. See Obama/Pelosi.
As a taxpayer, I like a smaller deficit as well. Please detail for us how Harper's plan to cut corporate taxes will help reduce the deficit. Please also detail for us how cutting the GST was fiscally responsible?
By cutting corporate taxes, smaller business owners are essentially rewarded for keeping more money on the company books. Added liquidity translates into increased self funding of expansion, R&D, Staff hires, reduced interest payments, and training.

{In my brother-in-laws case, if he makes $200K profit, and leaves it in the company account, he still has access to it for whatever he wants, losing only 15%. If he pays himself a bigger bonus above his base personal salary, he's losing far more.)

By cutting corporate taxes, Canada becomes more attractive for foreign investment.

While counter-intuitive, cutting corporate tax rates will generally result in increased tax revenues.

As for the GST, frankly I agree with you, and feel this should have been left at 7%. On the balance of things, I feel we are better served paying a higher GST and a lower income tax rate. The GST is a barometer, and revenues increase as consumers show confidence in the economy. However, the problem with that thinking is that it offers no tax relief for people with low incomes, including seniors and pensioners.
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Canuck223 wrote:By cutting corporate taxes, smaller business owners are essentially rewarded for keeping more money on the company books. Added liquidity translates into increased self funding of expansion, R&D, Staff hires, reduced interest payments, and training.

{In my brother-in-laws case, if he makes $200K profit, and leaves it in the company account, he still has access to it for whatever he wants, losing only 15%. If he pays himself a bigger bonus above his base personal salary, he's losing far more.)

By cutting corporate taxes, Canada becomes more attractive for foreign investment.
We're already the lowest (11-18% federally) in the G8, and, amongst developed nations, we already rank in the top 10 of the lowest corporate tax rates.

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Australia	                 30%
Austria	                 25%
Belgium	                 33.99%
Canada	                 11-18% (federal)
Cyprus	                 10%
Czech Republic	         20%
Denmark	                 25%
Finland	                 26%
France	                 33.33%
Germany	                 29.80%
Greece	                 22/25%
Hong Kong	                 16.50%
Iceland	                 18/26%
Ireland	                 12.50%
Israel	                         25%
Italy	                         31.40%
Japan	                         40.69%
Luxembourg	                 29.63%
Malta	                         35%
Netherlands	                 20/25.5%
New Zealand	         28%
Norway	                 28%
Portugal	                 25%
Russia	                 13-20%
Singapore	                 17%
Slovakia	                 19%
Slovenia	                 21%
South Korea	         13/25%
Spain	                         25-30%
Sweden	                 26.30%
Switzerland	                 13-25%
Taiwan	                 25%
United Kingdom	         21-28%
United States	         0-35%
That being the case, I fail to see why we need to be cutting rates more than they already are. If we're not competitive at an 11-18% rate, we need to look elsewhere for answers as to how to make ourselves more attractive.
Canuck223 wrote:As for the GST, frankly I agree with you, and feel this should have been left at 7%. On the balance of things, I feel we are better served paying a higher GST and a lower income tax rate. The GST is a barometer, and revenues increase as consumers show confidence in the economy. However, the problem with that thinking is that it offers no tax relief for people with low incomes, including seniors and pensioners.
I'm with you on this - I'd rather see income tax completely abolished and the GST/PST/HST raised.
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Why do you like sales tax. Do you love CRA and want to create more jobs there?
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Beefitarian wrote:Why do you like sales tax. Do you love CRA and want to create more jobs there?
Taxes are needed to fund public services. We may argue about how much and where they are to be collected and spent, but there will always be taxes.

However, where and when they are collected has an impact on the economy.

A GST type tax collects tax revenue from the consumer at the end of the economic cycle. If you collect it early, you can stiffle the economy.

If you make $1000/week, you probably see a pay check of $625. If you live in a $350K house, you're probably paying $75/week in property taxes. Of the remaining total, through various purchases, you'll pay $50 in pst/gst.

You had control over $500 of the $1000 you earned.


If income tax was eliminated, you'd take home $1000, and spend $75 on your property taxes. You'd still have to spend on household needs, but you'd have the choice. To make up the difference in tax revenue, the GST would have to be higher, but the advantage is more money initially enters the economy. Extra cash in the economy breeds other employment.
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Golly slow down I'm not a college grad.

I want to go with income tax because it's less work for the college grads at CRA so more of it goes to the things you posted about and less to paying extra CRA employees to chase down the people that don't want to pay GST because it shouldn't be their job as a cab driver to collect taxes.
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