Bearskin Rampie

[Hedley]

This place is much more entertaining when people post drunk. What we want is a minimum BAC of 0.06 to post here.

[SII]

bey the way pilot pilot pilot comercially certifyed

[Busted]

The Bear needs the cash to pay for the Saab's that are on the way and the $50,000 paint job they are gettting.

[LegoMan]

If Bearskin was smart they wouldn't pay their pilots at all. I can guarantee you their machines would still be flying....not by the most competent but flying nonetheless.

[Maynard]

Right......pretty sure the union would think otherwise...

[Maynard]

A promissory note is one thing.

Money up front is another.

Why do you think they switched to a bond.

[Maynard]

Hey doc, remember this:

Doc: If they would drop the maggot requirement of money up front, they could easily get guys with 2000+ hours. But they just will not admit to their stupidity! And, by dropping the cash requirement would be admitting they are wrong....and they'd rather hire low time guys, that they will never be able to upgrade.....it's gonna bite you in the ass Bearskin! Your senior guys will go to WestJet, and you'll have to park your airplanes...and the sooner the better. But you ain't listening.
I know two really good guys who told them to "pound sand" just because money is required up front. And still this bottom feeding, scum sucking requirement is in place. Boggles my mind. "

Upgrades are happening consistently and the company is growing all the time. Don't think I see any bitemarks on the ass yet....ps how often are their upgraded at wall stann's??????????!!

[TopperHarley]

A promissory note is one thing.

Money up front is another.

Why do you think they switched to a bond.

Because there's no shortage of pilots willing to pay money up front!

As others have pointed out, Bearskin could easily get away without having this requirement. Perimeter flies metros too- no bonds, no promissary notes, no money up front.

[Maynard]

Ya well slugging bags for 2 years ain't much better....I'd rather have an experienced crew over someone who was a cargo expert for 2 years

[THIN CRUST]

the guys who bash bearskin make it seem like you are forced to apply and work there, if you dont like the way things are done go work at perimeter then. paying a 10k bond that is paid back to you is better than giving 2yrs on a ramp wasting your MIFR.

bearskin is the best paying 704/19-seat job in canada enjoy flying planes into reserves at 3am

[Doc]

the guys who bash bearskin make it seem like you are forced to apply and work here, if you dont like the way things are done go work at perimeter then. paying a 10k bond that is paid back to you is better than giving 2yrs on a ramp wasting your MIFR.

bearskin is the best paying 704/19-seat job in canada so @#$! off...enjoy flying your shitty planes into reserves at 3am, ill be sitting in YOW eating chicken wings and drinking beer

I don't see any Bear "bashing" going on. Just the money up front policy. Enjoy your chicken wings.

[Maynard]

Hahaha awesome video

[DHC-1 Jockey]

This is a problem Bearskin would NOT have......even without a bond.....and YOU know it!

Bearskin just ran a groundschool a few weeks ago and a day before it was slated to start, one of the new hires got the call from a 705 operator and jumped ship to the bigger metal. If the call came a week and a half later after having doing a week of groundschool and 5 hours of expensive in flight training and having no bond (as you advocate), I'm sure he'd jump ship still, leaving the Bear in the lurch for 10 large and still being short an F.O.

Maybe a year or two ago this type of thing wasn't happening anymore, but with the upswing in hiring at the majors, it will likely become common again.

I agree that bonds serve no purpose but to protect the employer for their investment, and I wish I didn't have to pay one either, but it seems they are a necessary evil. If paying the money is what is required to work at an established company where pilots and crew are treated amicably, I get great benefits and am confident in my maintenance and management, then so be it. Better than being bond-free and working at a place where you can't wait to get out of.

And as for no other industry 'paying' for their job, my best friend graduated tops of his class in business at Western and wanted to be an accountant. At the end of his 4 year degree, he still had to pay for a summer course during which he finds employment at an accounting firm and essentially 'apprentices' as an accountant for X number of hours until he writes the UFE exams and becomes certified. Much the same way our CPL/MIFR training is our 4 year degree, and the bond is getting the training at the place of employment.

[Cat Driver]

.enjoy flying your shitty planes into reserves at 3am, ill be sitting in YOW eating chicken wings and drinking beer

A pilot who sits and and drinks beer and eats chicken wings at 3 A.M. is heading for some problems if they wish to keep flying for a living.

[THIN CRUST]

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[Maynard]

Easy thin crust...your first post was well said and a good argument, but dro the language or you might get banned... But you already know that!!

[Doc]

we have pairings that arrive in multiple cities friday evening and you dont fly again until sunday afternoon

keep talking like you know what your talking about cat driver nobody cares about your 50000hrs flying fuckin floats

dont forget to watch that video i posted a few posts back

Wow. You really must have all the friends you'll ever need!

[ei ei owe]

bearskin is the best paying 704/19-seat job in canada so @#$! off...

It's actually not. PAG pays better and no bond.

[Cat Driver]

keep talking like you know what your talking about cat driver nobody cares about your 50000hrs flying fuckin floats

I have no worries regarding my career, however your abysmal ignorance and lack of respect for others will not enhance your career.

If you manage to acquire one tenth of the background flying airplanes and helicopters I have you will be fortunate, however with your attitude you are going to find it tough going.

[iflyforpie]

I'll add some gas to the fire and tell them or anybody to pound sand if they asked me for cash for a job. Sure, try to rationalize it, like just as long as you don't cash out of the ponzi scheme you bought into, you might make millions!

Other businesses (including aviation ones) can deal with absorbing training costs in the unlikely event somebody jumps ship; and it isn't always because of a better job that people leave.

Good jobs don't need bonds.

[Hedley]

PAG pays better and no bond

Good jobs don't need bonds

Hm. It's funny that after only 7 years, all the lessons of Jetsgo have been completely forgotten

[bogey]

Well i guess you can forget about ever flying for Watsen Lake Air Service or the Victoria flying club Thin Crust.

[Beefitarian]

Well thin crust you're job must be wonderfull. I can tell your happy, you're posts don't seem belligerent and overly defensive at all. Sure signs that your right.

[double-j]

Maybe he should change his name to thin skinned....

[flyinhigh]

Thin Crust,

TAKE A PILL. You lost all credibility with me with your profoundly bad spelling and with having to use curses EVERYWHERE.

Fact is Bearskin is a great op no doubt, So good that they don't need money up front. A promissary note, FINE no problem.

With the EIF (is it?) now owning the Bear I do hope you get to fly the Saab's instead of having that carrot dangled in your face in the interview, Its only been what 13 years that its been said. I also hope that they drop the bond issue.