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DonutHole wrote: I remember learning what a rod knock was when the 2.8l in my dads old pontiac 6000 le took a poop.
Worst engine GM ever came up with, I learned the same lesson from my 1982 GMC Sonoma. Was going to try changing the rod and main bearings and if that didnt get rid of the knock try plastic guage and custom machined bearings. But since it still ran smooth and wasnt too loud yet I sold it to a pot head who I took for a test drive with the CD player blasting.
NeverBlue wrote:I would have to disagree with the poverty thing being the cause though.
Yeah, some of us had parents that were incredibly cheap.
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I agree 100% with the poster above who made the comment about teaching the young fellow how to roll up the air hose. It might not be a great example, but if we don't teach, how will they learn? The consequences will be a bunch of people who don't know how to do things because we couldn't be bothered to take the time to help them....
Seriously though, I hope you showed him how to wind up (and unwind.. that's a whole other skill apparently) an air hose. And an extension/trouble light cord while you were at it. I rant just as much as the next guy about the ineptitude of new apprentices these days. Still, we do have to take time out now and then to show the seemingly obvious to the clueless. It's getting fuzzy now,looking back, but I think there were likely things I didn't know when I was 15.
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If aviation and the new generation are broken, the way that a lot of posters on this forum believe...the only way to fix it is to try and do your part.

...they won't fix themselves...
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People are a product of their genetics and their experience.

The above I believe to be axiomatic.

You can't do anything about your genetics. And although
some people believe that we are genetically deteriorating
(a fascinating subject, and one certain to rile the moderators)
let's disregard that for the moment and assume that youngsters
today have the same genetic advantage as youngsters 100
years ago.

So what's different? Clearly (to me, at least) it is their
experience.

Growing up in the late 20th century (80's & 90's) was simply
put, a complete clusterf__k compared to growing up in say
the 50's or 60's or even 70's.

I have to tread carefully here, lest our over-zealous moderators
take offense at what I say here, but I think I can safely say
that people in the 80's and 90's somehow concluded that risk
had been eliminated, and proper child rearing involved placing
it in front of the TV when it was very young - you don't want
them outside, taking risks in the big bad world, oh no - which
terminates with them smoking pot 24x7 and playing video
games. Safely, inside the fisher price playpen created by the
helicopter parents.

It is sad, how as a society in Canada, that we have deteriorated
from the rough and tough farm boys of World War One that
kicked @ss - google the hundred days - and even during WWII
we were a force to be reckoned with. The RCAF in Europe
in the 1950's was quite something.

But sometime after WWII - certainly by the 60's - Canada fell
to pieces, and the culture changed. Men needed to be soft,
gentle, sensitive and ignorant of how things worked. Again, I
must tread carefully to avoid offending the moderators and
having this posting deleted. The subject of Canada's deterioration
is not something which can be discussed in public, at least not
without considerable censorship.

The bible has a wonderful quote: "as ye sow, so shall ye reap"
or something like that. There's a lot of nonsense in it, but that
quote proves that if you have enough monkeys typing, something
brilliant will emerge.

If you don't like kids these days, take a look at whom is responsible -
their parents. Look in the mirror. That's who's to blame for our
kids being such useless pussies.

Not all of them are, however.
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Well first off none of the non achievers here can blame me for their plight by thinking I am one of the " Baby Boomers " because I was born before the baby boomers came along.

My background is close to DonutHole's .

But this thread got me to thinking about today's generation and being a logical thinking type I asked myself if I would ask any of today's younger pilots to wash my motorhome.

After some examination of the question I have come to the conclusion the risk would not be worth it because if they ruined the finish on it the cost to have it repainted would be more than some of them make in a year as a pilot.

Yes the world is changing and soon the social engineers will want people who work hard in university to get A pluses to share their marks with the poor unfortunates who got fail marks in everything.

After all we do not want a society that exceeds in anything.

Oh, by the way anyone checked our Government debt these days giving to the unfortunates in society?
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I can't recall who coined the phrase:" those who can't; teach"?

Any thoughts?


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It is true that many who teach were not competent enough to earn a living doing.

A more serious problem is with mediocrity being an acceptable level of skill / knowledge to be certified by T.C. as a teacher of aviation the wages paid by the industry do not attract those with high flying / teaching skills.
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It is true that many who teach were not competent enough to earn a living doing.
So...Teachers, who go to university to learn how to teach, teach because they can't earn a living teaching?? :rolleyes:

...Instructors are not Teachers. They're right out of the industry and just like there's bad AME's, there's bad Instructors.
They receive little training (about 6 weeks of instructor training is the only requirement) and some have absolutely no experience at all in the classroom.
But to blanket statement "many" of them as incompetent is ignorant to say the least.

I've had and know fantastic Instructors (Northern Lights?...College of the North Atlantic?...Canadore?)

I've seen AME's sitting at home, 'cause no one will hire them because of either their attitude or ability, get a phone call from a College in desparate need of a body to fill the classroom for the day...this is how they get bad Instructors in the College system...and once they're in, they're in.


I wish our arrogant selves would stop insulting other professions on this forum. You can't blame a man for doing what he has to do to get by...
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Well neverblue we all have our opinions here, mine are partly formed from having taught flying and owned flight training businesses since the late fifties.
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Do you mean then that out of all the Instructors you employed many were incompetent and couldn't fly?

I guess what I'm really trying to say is that "in your opinion" many who teach were not competent enough to earn a living doing.

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It is true that many who teach were not competent enough to earn a living doing.

All of us in aviation have had training of one kind or another and to say that many of our trainers are incompetent is not accurate in my opinion.
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Do you mean then that out of all the Instructors you employed many were incompetent and couldn't fly?
Yes.
I guess what I'm really trying to say is that "in your opinion" many who teach were not competent enough to earn a living doing.
Yes.

All of us in aviation have had training of one kind or another and to say that many of our trainers are incompetent is not accurate in my opinion.
Fair enough, as I said before the above is only my opinion from my experience in the training industry.
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Knowledge my kids learned today. difference between a breechblock and a bolt. how to fielstrip and clean an FN49, an sks, and an AR10
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Why?
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Because mechanical skills are important, they like to shoot with me and so share the cleaning chores and it is too damn cold to pull the head off my car.
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Ahh... :)
I thought your were saying they learned it in school...which would have been a little strange.

I don't think they like people bringing guns to school these days.
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NeverBlue wrote:I don't think they like people bringing guns to school these days.
yeah, i'm sure this would be frowned upon too... and usually followed by a parade of red, blue and white flashing lights. and a ton of news reporters.. :D
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