Canada chose the 'multi-cultural' route, whereas the US intended a 'melting pot' approach to immigration. Both methods were rammed down our respective throats by the politicians - there were no referenda nor was a party elected solely on its approach to immigration - therefore whatever your attitude to immigration, Cat's comments are correct.
It fries my noodles that it is IMPOSSIBLE to talk about immigration in this country without some yahoo yelling "racism" if there is a dissenting opinion on 'immigration.' If anybody complains that immigration isn't really working all that well in some ways, some moron yells "racist." The ad hominem attack is a way to silence dissent, and it usually works because the majority of thinking Canadians are not racist and are frequently deflected from their contrary opinions lest they be thought of that way.
So attacking Cat for his observations on racism is a cheap shot.
Let's talk about aviation. Rude radio talk just points out that not only does the perpetrator not know his procedures (AIP etc.), he is profoundly unprofessional and parochial. Radio work is as critical as a/c handling, and done badly can lead to misunderstanding and accidents. In other parts of the world, using non-standard phraseology, if it is even understood, might get you violated or worse. If it was my operation, It would be obvious to me that not only is that pilot immature and certainly not ready for command, but I would seriously question the judgement of the captain too.
Damn rude comments over the radio.
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Let's talk about aviation. Rude radio talk just points out that not only does the perpetrator not know his procedures (AIP etc.), he is profoundly unprofessional and parochial. Radio work is as critical as a/c handling, and done badly can lead to misunderstanding and accidents. In other parts of the world, using non-standard phraseology, if it is even understood, might get you violated or worse. If it was my operation, It would be obvious to me that not only is that pilot immature and certainly not ready for command, but I would seriously question the judgement of the captain too.
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Exactly.
xsbank has summed it up perfectly.
And to some of you who are so incensed at my comments regarding racism and the PC sheep mentality of labelling anyone that does not fit into your social engineering mentality as rasists, you have every right to think that way.
As to who is a Canadian and how far back your heritage goes well I am part North American Savage going back thousands of years on this continent, and the other part of me is Newfie, so I guess I can live in Canada if I so choose.
Not to mention I am collecting my old age pension which is my right by having paid for it through taxes and contributions.
Cat
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Exactly.
xsbank has summed it up perfectly.
And to some of you who are so incensed at my comments regarding racism and the PC sheep mentality of labelling anyone that does not fit into your social engineering mentality as rasists, you have every right to think that way.
As to who is a Canadian and how far back your heritage goes well I am part North American Savage going back thousands of years on this continent, and the other part of me is Newfie, so I guess I can live in Canada if I so choose.
Not to mention I am collecting my old age pension which is my right by having paid for it through taxes and contributions.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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"What we have here is a failure to communicate."
Extra bonus points if you can name the movie the line is from!
If I may make my butchered attempts at contributing to the debate of politically-mandated multi-cult..
I share a cynicism with Cat regarding most things blessed by our Feds. So many earnest attempts at tinkering with social policy have become anchors around our necks. Political correctness is a cancer, and so is hiding behind the "racist!" shout.
But the comment, "Pretty disturbing, especially for Canada." I took that as a compliment to the ideals of tolerance (yes, a buzzword, I hate it but it's the best I can come up with), that Canada is SUPPOSED to strive for. Do I think that Canadians are less racist than the rest of the world? No. Not necessarily. There are instances of racism happening every day in this country. BUT. The big difference is that there is at least, to my mind, an ideal to work towards, where in many, I would suggest most, nations there is not even a pretense of this basic human decency. When I look at the many cross-cultural, interracial relationships that I am personally close to that DO work extremely well, compared to much of the world it seems like a happy miracle.
Bear in mind my remarks are framed by my concern for a close friend who is presently being briefed to act as a UNMO in the Sudan , where by many accounts "Hotel Rwanda" is currently being re-enacted. There is racism, and then there is racism.
As far as buddy on the radio, well, he just sounds like another idiot pilot. Tell him to make the apology call, if he doesn't, he's a professional gear-swinger.
Extra bonus points if you can name the movie the line is from!
If I may make my butchered attempts at contributing to the debate of politically-mandated multi-cult..
I share a cynicism with Cat regarding most things blessed by our Feds. So many earnest attempts at tinkering with social policy have become anchors around our necks. Political correctness is a cancer, and so is hiding behind the "racist!" shout.
But the comment, "Pretty disturbing, especially for Canada." I took that as a compliment to the ideals of tolerance (yes, a buzzword, I hate it but it's the best I can come up with), that Canada is SUPPOSED to strive for. Do I think that Canadians are less racist than the rest of the world? No. Not necessarily. There are instances of racism happening every day in this country. BUT. The big difference is that there is at least, to my mind, an ideal to work towards, where in many, I would suggest most, nations there is not even a pretense of this basic human decency. When I look at the many cross-cultural, interracial relationships that I am personally close to that DO work extremely well, compared to much of the world it seems like a happy miracle.
Bear in mind my remarks are framed by my concern for a close friend who is presently being briefed to act as a UNMO in the Sudan , where by many accounts "Hotel Rwanda" is currently being re-enacted. There is racism, and then there is racism.
As far as buddy on the radio, well, he just sounds like another idiot pilot. Tell him to make the apology call, if he doesn't, he's a professional gear-swinger.
56by111 No, the remark was not from any small airline. It was from the largest airline in Canada.
The average pilot, despite the somewhat swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy and caring.
These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
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Like it or not, Canada has been, and will continue to be built on immigrants. IMO tolerance should be "expected" in Canada.
There is a difference between tolerance on the one hand and acceptance on the other. I think tolerance comes before acceptance. Racism and acceptance are opposite ends of a spectrum, with tolerance in the middle. When Canada id truly multicultural, you will here the word acceptance much more than tolerance
There is a difference between tolerance on the one hand and acceptance on the other. I think tolerance comes before acceptance. Racism and acceptance are opposite ends of a spectrum, with tolerance in the middle. When Canada id truly multicultural, you will here the word acceptance much more than tolerance
It's funny how the countries that consider them selves the most tolorent are actually the most intolerent. I recent poll was published in, I think the G&M, and more Canadians than americans thought that immigrants should conform to their new country - a Don Cherry like view. My parent were immigrants and I realize this country is built on immigrants, but when you have the governmnet constantly blowing money on multicultrual parades and the like, all to get votes in Torono, this is not called tolerance, it is called tyranny-it is the buying of votes in the one swing city of Canadian politics. Whichever party wins a lot of seats in TO gets to form a government.
Always wondered (really NOT trying to stir it up here folks) how many of you, who are "offended" here by the "what are we, black?" comment in front of our computers, use comment like that, or even worse on a semi-regular basis? Or at least once in a blue moon? I know, being called "whitey" as I walk the avenues of Cat Lake dosent bother me at all. I've flown with my share of pilots...and most are capable of some pretty off-color remarks. So, are racial slurs Okay if just made "between us guys" and verbotten if transmitted for all the world to hear?
Was he actuall belittling a race? I dont think so. Was the comment in poor taste? I think so. And what's a jump seater doing with a mic in the first place?
Was he actuall belittling a race? I dont think so. Was the comment in poor taste? I think so. And what's a jump seater doing with a mic in the first place?
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XSbank
Nobody is roasting Cat or anyone else for that matter. We are all entitled to opinions that may not agree with others. CAT himself points this out.
I am also an immigrant to this country and believe racism is perpetrated and commited from the very government that tries to tell everyone not to be a racist. Anyone remember the RCMP ads, stating "White Anglo Saxon males need not apply"? or how about "preference will be given to visible minorities". How more racist can you be?
Personally, I don't care what color you are, can you do the job? Was this guy doing a decent job? No, I don't think so and if I had been the controller, I would have pulled him out of the sequnce and given him a hold. If I had been the Captain, the guy would be making a phone call to the center as soon as the parking check was completed.
Nobody is roasting Cat or anyone else for that matter. We are all entitled to opinions that may not agree with others. CAT himself points this out.
I am also an immigrant to this country and believe racism is perpetrated and commited from the very government that tries to tell everyone not to be a racist. Anyone remember the RCMP ads, stating "White Anglo Saxon males need not apply"? or how about "preference will be given to visible minorities". How more racist can you be?
Personally, I don't care what color you are, can you do the job? Was this guy doing a decent job? No, I don't think so and if I had been the controller, I would have pulled him out of the sequnce and given him a hold. If I had been the Captain, the guy would be making a phone call to the center as soon as the parking check was completed.
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For all you people who do may feel I'm a racist maybe this will change your mind.
I have the all the rights to status Indian in Canada and could avail myself of many perks not avaliable to other Canadians.
I do not and will not use that racist means to get ahead of the rest of you who can not show Indian blood in your family sufficient to get a status card.
If I used my status card to get freebies that other Canadians can not get that would make me a racist, manufactured by a Government who have instituted rasist policies.
Cat
I have the all the rights to status Indian in Canada and could avail myself of many perks not avaliable to other Canadians.
I do not and will not use that racist means to get ahead of the rest of you who can not show Indian blood in your family sufficient to get a status card.
If I used my status card to get freebies that other Canadians can not get that would make me a racist, manufactured by a Government who have instituted rasist policies.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Keeping with the topic, I heard about a pilot flying his last flight before he retired and was flying through Montreal airspace. He was cleared over to Toronto Center when the old Capt said to the controller "Just before I go, I wanted to let you guys know that you are the second best controllers I 've ever worked with during my career." Curiously the controller in Monreal Center said thanks and asked who the best controller was. The Capt said, "All the rest". Thought it was more funny than rude and I wish I could have heard it live! 
