RCMP order plane flying anti-Harper message to land

[thirdtimecharm]

In a free and sovereign Quebec, citizens will have the right to tow banners reading anything they want- except for religous sayings, stuff in English, stuff in other languages or nice stuff about Canada.

Remember my fellow Quebeckers- a vote for the PQ will allow you to tow whichever banner you desire. In fact, the PQ will assist pilots in training by making a banner towing a mandatory form of advertising, creating as many as 10,000 pilot jobs. No training bond. AND there will be no license renewal fees.

Vote PQ today and vote often!

[linecrew]

All political crap aside, the pilot may have entered CRY537 or CYR538 (Parliament Hill and PM"s residence) in which case the feds had every right to get him to land regardless of what was on the banner.

Given the message he was towing around it was too easy to turn this into a political hot potato/freedom of speech issue by the media and outspoken folks that just don't understand the aviation side of what happened here.

[Moose47]

"time to call El Che"

NOTAM - Notice To All Marxists

Che is dead. Get over it!

Cheers...Chris

[Nark]

Linecrew

Thanks for the info. That information certainly changes my opinion on the matter.

[schmoo]

Unless I'm missing something, I'd say the biggest issue here is that the message isn't even anti-Harper. It's self-victimization with a twist of grand-standing to be sure, but it's not "anti" anything. Certainly not a personal attack, IMO. Much care was probably taken to use wording that would not be construed as defamation. So much for that....

[Rockie]

All political crap aside, the pilot may have entered CRY537 or CYR538 (Parliament Hill and PM"s residence) in which case the feds had every right to get him to land regardless of what was on the banner.

Both NavCanada and the RCMP confirm the pilot never entered restricted airspace or broke any air regulations. Call it what it was, intimidation and suppression of free speech.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/RCM ... story.html

[Siddley Hawker]

you need better glasses, It's a web site.

Indeed it is.
It's nice to know the bladders' union dues are being spent wisely.

[EA757]

Teacher,

Excellent post...

I have posted this before, so if you have seen it,
skip it.
For those of you who haven't, this is a presentation
made at TED that has been banned by TED. It created
too many problems for their organization.

Nick Hanauer is the speaker (some say) he's a
billionaire, others say he's just a multi millionaire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g

and, this tidbit.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008 ... CHART.html

[linecrew]

All political crap aside, the pilot may have entered CRY537 or CYR538 (Parliament Hill and PM"s residence) in which case the feds had every right to get him to land regardless of what was on the banner.

Both NavCanada and the RCMP confirm the pilot never entered restricted airspace or broke any air regulations. Call it what it was, intimidation and suppression of free speech.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/RCM ... story.html

If that is the case then I agree.

[Old fella]

All political crap aside, the pilot may have entered CRY537 or CYR538 (Parliament Hill and PM"s residence) in which case the feds had every right to get him to land regardless of what was on the banner.

Both NavCanada and the RCMP confirm the pilot never entered restricted airspace or broke any air regulations. Call it what it was, intimidation and suppression of free speech.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/RCM ... story.html

Some points………….

This web site as portrayed on the flying banner has gotten more FREE publicity/advertisement from the media (CBC, Globe, NP, TS et al) and sites like this than they (PSC) ever dreamed of.

Everybody knows the PMO didn’t orchestrate this (they are not that stupid) but it strengthens the fact Harper is capable/has done similar tactics.

Finally, it shows the ineptness of the cops, they changed their story three times so far on an issue of little relevance, just a silly banner.

Rock on!

[Rockie]

Everybody knows the PMO didn’t orchestrate this (they are not that stupid)

No, they aren't stupid. But they are brazenly disrespectful of democratic principles and anybody who rains on their very heavily controlled message. I don't put this past the PMO at all because it is completely in character for this government so far.

[ogc]

Comunism is the exploitation of mens by mens, capitalism is exactly the oposite


Ernesto "Che" Guevara (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈtʃe ɣeˈβaɾa];[7] May 14,[1] 1928 – October 9, 1967), commonly known as el Che or simply Che, was an Argentine Marxist revolutionary, physician, author, guerrilla leader, diplomat, and military theorist. A major figure of the Cuban Revolution, his stylized visage has become a ubiquitous countercultural symbol of rebellion and global insignia within popular culture.[8]

Id agree, but after reading numerous biographies about the man, the image his face portrays today has nothing to do with what his personal beliefs were.

Every hipster in western culture wearing a shirt with che guevaras face on it might as well be pissing on his grave....

[hoptwoit]

Good grief I see the comments on this site and now I know why standard circuits are LEFT.

The RCMP have a very difficult job but in many cases they are their own worst enemy. I do not trust them and they are doing little to gain my trust back. I think this is an RCMP issue and I don't believe this can be attributed to Harper directly.
I think Harper is doing a good job (not perfect but good).

Flame away!!!!!

Edited to add this


Check out the bottom of the article here. The part where it say the pilot has been in trouble before in 2002 for towing banners over a G8 summit in Quebec City where he was detained while the government changed the regulations to prevent him from flying. The Federal government was Liberal with Teflon Jean at the helm and in Quebec it was P.Q. Maybe he was flying a federalist message. It doesn't matter the point is the Liberals stepped on "free speech" first and no one said a word. Little touch of irony there.

This is not the first time the 57-year-old pilot’s aerial banners have not been welcomed by authorities.
In 2002, Ciambella, who also goes by Jean-Pierre, said he was detained for three hours during the G8 meeting in Quebec City, during which time the government changed the regulations to prevent him from fulfilling contracts to fly messages over the skies above the city.

He also made headlines in 2006 when he made an emergency Sunday afternoon landing on Montreal’s downtown Park Avenue. It was later determined that Ciambella had taken off with a broken fuel gauge, for which he was fined $750.


Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/RCMP+admit ... z25ZDQlJSu

[mcrit]

Hoptowit,
Stop using sound logic to poke holes in the left's stance; if you keep it up general comments with go the way of the water cooler.

(Yeah, yeah, I know, I've been bad. I'll go sit in the corner now).

As for the incident, all the RCMP did was ask the pilot to land and then ask him questions. This seems quite reasonable to me. If somebody were flying over my house with a banner that said he hated me, I'd want to ask him what was up myself.

[Rockie]

Check out the bottom of the article here. The part where it say the pilot has been in trouble before in 2002 for towing banners over a G8 summit in Quebec City where he was detained while the government changed the regulations to prevent him from flying. The Federal government was Liberal with Teflon Jean at the helm and in Quebec it was P.Q. Maybe he was flying a federalist message. It doesn't matter the point is the Liberals stepped on "free speech" first and no one said a word. Little touch of irony there.

It's extremely unlikely the RCMP knew who this individual was when they ordered him to land, so his past history (as benign as it is) is irrelevant. I am unaware of his issues in Quebec, but I am very aware of how the Ontario Liberals stomped on civil rights during the G20 summit. Their actions were just as reprehensible proving the denial of democratic freedoms is not restricted to just the Conservatives.

However the Conservatives during the last election (guess what caused that election btw) were involved in election tampering. The Conservatives defrauded $50 million federal dollars from us and got away with it, then put the minister responsible for that fraud in charge of the treasury. They removed federally regulated employees rights to bargain for their working conditions and imposed draconian, 100% corporate friendly contracts. The Conservatives have muzzled federal scientists unless they parrot the Conservative ideological line and they have labelled all environmental groups as "radical" by associating them with true radical organizations. I could go on for pages.

Yes, other political parties are guilty of their own excesses. That does not in any way excuse the Conservatives who happen to be in power right now.

[linecrew]

The more info that comes to light in the media (ie RCMP admitting no airspace was violated), the more it seems that the RCMP officials on the ground are unaware of the actual size of the restricted airspace they have created and reacted without confirming with Nav Canada, the folks with the radar. Knee jerk reactions are never good...especially when they are by folks in a position of authority.

[2550]

True, no one party can be accused of this sort of thing more than another. It makes me very uncomfortable- watch your tone at the us\canada border- you cant fly a anti government banner in the capital- register the gun you ve had for years or your going to jail(liberals)- if you oppose this pipeline you must be a radical- and never mind the patriot act "you cant be safe and have rights too.

Its a gradual erosion of rights, so slow and apperently justified that no one worries. But we should....imagine the logical progression.

[RatherBeFlying]

I heard the pilot on CBC As It Happens last night. He did not hear that the RCMP wanted to talk to him until he left YOW TWR airspace and contacted Rockcliffe unicom where the operator let him know the RCMP were there.

One would think that the RCMP would have the phone number for YOW Terminal (it's in the CFS) and have contacted ATC in the 90 minutes the banner was flown over Parliament Hill.

[hoptwoit]

They removed federally regulated employees rights to bargain for their working conditions and imposed draconian, 100% corporate friendly contracts. The Conservatives have muzzled federal scientists unless they parrot the Conservative ideological line and they have labelled all environmental groups as "radical" by associating them with true radical organizations. I could go on for pages.

I thought we were talking about a banner, the RCMP. and the PM here?

I have learned over the years that people see things the way they want to. If this is the way you see it then you are entitled to your view that is what it means to live in a democracy. But before you jump in you're environmentally friendly aircraft powered by pixie dust or imagination or horse manure think on this. If I were to say "The science of global warming is not settled". I would be scoffed at laughed at for my ignorance or even worse called a "Flat Earther" (ouch). So I wont say it I will let this guy do it for me, and before you flame me think of what it would do to the polar bears.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm8vaH8LEV0

[hoptwoit]

I found this little gem on the extremist right wing news outlet Sunmedia.
This may get the the whole thing back on topic. It is almost 7 min long but I think it's worth a look. I'm sure the anti Harper crowd will find lots wrong with this report. However I would bet it is also one of the clearest reports of the nasty little things we crazy right wingers like to call facts.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/feat ... 4834746001

[single_swine_herder]

Well worth the time Hoppy, but likely unwelcome facts to far too many of the regular readers here.

[kevenv]

I found this little gem on the extremist right wing news outlet Sunmedia.
This may get the the whole thing back on topic. It is almost 7 min long but I think it's worth a look. I'm sure the anti Harper crowd will find lots wrong with this report. However I would bet it is also one of the clearest reports of the nasty little things we crazy right wingers like to call facts.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/feat ... 4834746001

This certainly throws a wrench into most of the replies to this thread. It's funny how the simplest of stories and facts can get sensationalized to sell papers.

[Colonel Sanders]

Yes, most of the media in Canada has a pretty severe
slant, and amazingly isn't embarrassed when they are
caught like this.

It's not hard to see why the established media in Canada
fought so hard against Sun when they tried to set up a
news channel in Canada. This sort of factual reporting
really disagrees with what they want people to think.

[Rockie]

Holding Ezra Levant and his Sunmedia up as purveyors of fact is laughable. Every one of his juvenile diatribes overflows with open hatred of what he considers "left wing", which to him is everybody who disagrees with him. Levant openly and proudly declares how much he despises unions. Factual reporting? Words like "odious" and "disgraceful" flow forth in what to him and some people on this site refer to as factual reporting, and neither they or him seem able to recognize an opinion/editorial piece even when they write it. At one point Levant derides someone without the slightest hint of irony as a "left wing spin doctor posing as a reporter". I laughed out loud at that one.

Imagine yourself flying around the Capital with an anti-Harper banner streaming behind you and you get a call on the radio that the RCMP want to talk to you. Do you think they want to talk to you about your dog barking at night? Did they catch you speeding to the airport and want to give you a ticket? Perhaps your license plate sticker has expired? What could they possibly want to talk about, and what should I do?

What would you do?

"The science of global warming is not settled"

This intrigues me. Burt Rutan's completely unqualified opinion notwithstanding, what part of global warming science is not settled? Is global warming itself in doubt, or is it man's contribution to it?

[126.7_STFU]

Holding Ezra Levant and his Sunmedia up as purveyors of fact is laughable. Every one of his juvenile diatribes overflows with open hatred of what he considers "left wing", which to him is everybody who disagrees with him. Levant openly and proudly declares how much he despises unions. Factual reporting? Words like "odious" and "disgraceful" flow forth in what to him and some people on this site refer to as factual reporting, and neither they or him seem able to recognize an opinion/editorial piece even when they write it. At one point Levant derides someone without the slightest hint of irony as a "left wing spin doctor posing as a reporter". I laughed out loud at that one.

Imagine yourself flying around the Capital with an anti-Harper banner streaming behind you and you get a call on the radio that the RCMP want to talk to you. Do you think they want to talk to you about your dog barking at night? Did they catch you speeding to the airport and want to give you a ticket? Perhaps your license plate sticker has expired? What could they possibly want to talk about, and what should I do?

What would you do?

"The science of global warming is not settled"

This intrigues me. Burt Rutan's completely unqualified opinion notwithstanding, what part of global warming science is not settled?

Rocky,

I agree with you when it comes to stringing your CEO and his cronies up and beating them like a pinata, though I disagree with you regarding the sun. Ezra on MANY occasions has given the poor soul he's criticizing the benefit of the doubt. He plays devils advocate, and calls shit ...shit. From Attawapiskat to the Human Rights Commissions, his methods may be distasteful but he certainly has many valid points. I happen to agree with him when he says HRC officials should be tried for committing the same crimes they accuse others of committing. If you're going to sign up on neo nazi websites on government computers via some poor ladies wifi (was hacked) and post antisemitic poison to lure some other individual to say something antisemitic so that you can prosecute him/her ... do you agree with Ezra? How about the CBC's response to the Shafia Murder Trial verdict? I'm happy Ezra called that out as well. Then of course Ezra takes things too far by inviting white trash like Ann Coulter onto his show. I don't think unbiased reporting exists ... but some stories are worth covering , others are just for the sake of politicizing something. Take Mayor Rob Ford for example. The Toronto Star has a business when it comes to destroying this man and as such 70% of his time is tied up in answering ridiculous accusations.

To test the theory about this banner being dragged down for the sake of being anti-Harper, I suggest someone attempt the same thing again but instead drag a photo of Harper making out with a Donkey or something. Make sure to follow the regs though!