Temporary Seasonal pilots. The big lie at Sunwing

[tailgunner]

Gilles, you have earned my respect. I will defer to your knowledge of the workings of the SW pilot group.
Question though. How will these 20 non-union Sunwing Pilots/ busters be identified. Will they carry SW badges and RAICs? It will be a cold day in .... Before they ride with me. Just saying.

[tailgunner]

AA.. Just so you know. The PIC has to verify credentials to ride on the jumpseat agreement. No agreement by the skipper, means no ride. This usually happens at the top of the gate....

[Rogerdodger2]

I would imagine their RAIC would have the company name on it. The contractors would probably have something other than SunWing Airlines.

[Rogerdodger2]

Come to think of it the contractors won't have jumpseat privileges because they're not part of the SunWing union right?

[chopsticks]

Gilles, you have earned my respect. I will defer to your knowledge of the workings of the SW pilot group.
Question though. How will these 20 non-union Sunwing Pilots/ busters be identified. Will they carry SW badges and RAICs? It will be a cold day in .... Before they ride with me. Just saying.

Tailgunner, you sound like a real peach. If Sunwing offers good employment terms to 20 Canadians, in lieu of bringing in the equivalent number of foreign pilots, and the terms and conditions are a positive step for these pilots in comparison to where they were before, why should you have an issue with that? I can assure you that none of the 20 hired went on with any knowledge or intention of "union busting" as some think on here. I also disagree with what management is doing with respect to going outside the union, but I don't think it's fair to vilify these 20 new hires. Just saying.

[OPEC6-Heavy]

Tailgunner
You want to talk about Union Busting, it's called "LCC". I hope for your sake they're all going to be ACPA members.

[av8tor_assrope]

Tailgunner
You want to talk about Union Busting, it's called "LCC". I hope for your sake they're all going to be ACPA members.

+1

[av8tor_assrope]

tail gunner you seem like you would be a real peach to work with. instead of worrying about jumpseaters and 20 some odd contractors at Sunwing, you should be focusing on your own airline which has a whole heap load of issues.

[chopsticks]

Tailgunner
You want to talk about Union Busting, it's called "LCC". I hope for your sake they're all going to be ACPA members.

Nevermind the LCC. That's an issue, but what about ACPA allowing AC to start Sky Regional? That in itself is a huge issue that is screwing everybody in the industry. Using Tailgunner's theory, I think other airlines shouldn't allow Air Canada pilots to jumpseat on their airlines.

Anyhow, the point is we should all be in this together. If you want to learn a bit more, why not have a friendly chat with one of those 20 Sunwing contract pilots to find out more? If we all stand together we will get further ahead.

[tailgunner]

The LCC will be flown by ACPA pilots. Year round.
Please do not tell me you are comparing full time AC pilots to outside contract pilots or even foreign temporary workers. Surely you can see the diference.

[OPEC6-Heavy]

Tailgunner,

Obviously you missed the point. We could have this conversation all day, a little off topic. I'm glad to see they will be ACPA members. The fact that they are at lower wages and a lower bar then what ACPA's been fighting for over the past decades is not really a big deal and maybe ACPA can change that right?. As you so eloquently said, "Just say'in". And when they do change the conditions, guess what? It's no longer an LCC and your back to square one. You can't win... Another example, the Air Canada LCC will Hammer Transat on its only profitable segment... Europe, starting next summer with lower fares and increased capacity using what will eventually be 20 B-767's (that's almost 70% larger than the current state of TS). More TS jobs may be lost because of a Lower Wage, Lower cost Airline operated by AC pilots??? But that's Ok because they are Canadian...Sky Regional's 15 EMB-175's again at lower wages, the race to the bottom starts again. Believe me, this will make the Canadian and Euro contract pilots at Sunwing look like a Fairy tale. Anyways, my point is that we all have very similar issues within our companies and you shouldn't single out one company in particular because that's the flavor of the month, look in the mirror before you decide to judge others so harshly.