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Re: Roadkill

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or the fact that the airplane is a Pale horse
Not always a Pitts. For example, if I call

"Albatross 10 miles southeast inbound"

people often have no clue, and I respond with

"I'm a black russian jet, overhead break in 2 minutes"

I'm not sure that helps very much.

Sharing a circuit with just one other identical airplane
can stress many PPL's to the max. Sharing the circuit
with two other identical airplanes, or one other dissimilar
airplane may cause a total meltdown.

The local pilots are all pretty cool - they know to just do what
they do, and I will drive around them - but I have to be very,
very careful with transient pilots to not upset them. Very
delicate feelings, pilots have. The more expensive the airplane,
the more careful and delicate you have to be. Generally they
have marginal aircraft handling skills, yet often an ego which is
wounded easiest and most severely. Great care must be taken
not to deflate it.
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I decided not to chew out the doctor in the new Cirrus who pulled out in front of me when I was on short final..... mainly because he wasn't on frequency since I'd made three calls (mid field, downwind, and final) and he decided to go out onto the runway anyways.

Probably just as well... when I chewed him out on the ground a year before for sandblasting my hangar with his prop... he tried to have me fired! :lol:
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"I'm a black russian jet, overhead break in 2 minutes"
12 or so years ago I remember flying into an uncontrolled airport for my first contest. The sky was full of unusual planes and a lot of expert pilots. The radio work was a thing of beauty and many identified themselves as "black biplane" or "yellow biplane" rather than "steen skybolt xyz" the obvious intelligence of the idea hit home immediately especially since 9/10ths of new pilots have no clue what a Pitts etc is! Very often now ill use "red biplane zro" instead of "Pitts" at uncontrolled airports.
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"Albatros 10 miles "

I would be on the lookout for some fancy seagulls!

"Black russian jet"

Get the polaroid ready, its 4g's negative dive time!
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Re: Roadkill

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many identified themselves as "black biplane" or "yellow biplane"
Very sensible, even if upsets the legal beagles here
because it is not AIM-compliant.

For example, I can try to keep the legal beagles here
happy by making AIM-compliant calls such as:

"Aero Vodochody XYZ ..."
"Albatros XYZ ..."
"L39 XYZ ..."

All of which are almost completely useless to 99.999%
of the pilot population, some of whom probably think
an L39 is an L19 with a Lycoming 540 conversion.

But it keeps the legal beagles here happy, who have
Enforcement on speed dial :roll:

Far more useful to call:

"Black Jet 9 miles south overhead in 2 minutes".
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A very good technique listed here; I stress how much easier it is for other pilots Situational Awareness if we include our colour(s) in our initial calls at an ATF airport.

As for the pilot who was task saturated and thus could not possibly be receptive to their instructor's advice in the air: that was entirely the instructor's fault and he/she needs to revisit their basic techniques taught very early to all instructors. My Class 1 emphasized repeatedly that we should not critique nor attempt to explain anything while the student is still handling the controls. Instead, take control, give them a moment to unspool and catch their breath, then in a relaxed manner but using the simplest words and phrases, suggest one change that would have the greatest effect in improving the exercise. Give them another moment to digest it, resolve any issues arising from your impromptu delivery, then either demo the change or let them have control again.
It might add thirty seconds to the flight but has the greatest chance of making the instruction more effective...
For example, last evening, after my eight-hour instructing day at the FTU was finished, I strapped into The Dog Ship with a gentleman whose tail-dragging RV is ready to fly after six years of construction. The last tail dragger he had flown was a DC-3 for one of Canada's two largest airlines, so we are talking fourty years or more.
As expected, his flying skills were excellent so we needed only get up to speed on the landings and takeoffs. Utilizing the large runways and quiet pattern at Abbotsford, our request for 500 AGL circuits was approved. With my flying the aircraft from after takeoff, a quick critique and suggestion on the short downwind while continuing to fly until reaching wings level on short final, not only did we manage more than fifteen circuits in fourty minutes( I dropped my grease pencil so lost count) but there was a real, tangible improvement in every one, culminating in a three-pointer so perfect that neither of us realized we were no longer airborne.
The WestJet holding short may have witnessed this...
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I'm getting used to the quiet uncontrolled airport but part of my concern there, is not a guy like the Colonel with fancy fast planes, following enough procedure that they will first be roughly where they should be, second be watching for me also.

I'm worried about the guys that either don't know where they are, or worse outright lie about where they are because they think that's the way to give a position report.

I told this tale before, a long tome ago when I was a student pilot (kind of like now but different) I was about to key the mic over Cochrane Lake inbound when someone else reported over Cochrane Lake inbound one hundred feet higher than me. Once my heart started again I could not find him. No idea where he really was.

Because the controllers there at the time did not have radar and were far enough from the location to be unable to see us. That guy knew he did not have to be where he was supposed to be, he merely had to tell them he was.

While my opinion is just say where you are. "X miles west of Cochrane Lake at x thousand inbound."

That's part of why some guys are afraid. I know the guy calling is close but how close and what's he going to do next? If he follows procedures, we all have a good idea what will happen next. If he's making it up as he goes, no one knows until it happens. That makes me nervous.
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Beef I know exactly what you are saying...and from a controllers point of view: The WX was 1200 OC 3SM in drizzle. GABC calls "over the trassle inbound" and instructed to report over AK3 for R25. Within 30 seconds, GDEF calls same place warned of other a/c and given same instructions as ABC...and again another a/c (all from the same FTU) does the same.

ABC calls over the Air nPark..no visual..instructed to turn on the landing light..still no visual (before RADAR in the TWR). Opening up the scan I spot an a/c about 2 miles north of the Air Park and instruct ABC to flash the landing light..Positive contact but when I comment that if you report somewhere when instructed, for safety, be there.

The instructor came back with "Mind your own business, If I say I'm over XXX that is good enough". Class 2 instructor with a big chip on her shoulder. One of the other a/c had to do a few 360s to avoid the cow
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You should have vectored her to another airport or at least to the back of the line for landing.
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As pilots advance in skill and more importantly experience, their capacity for workload increases, and some things become "normal" and thus are not the least overwhelming.

There must be a minimum threshold for every pilot to adequately perform the duties associated with normal and emergency procedures appropriate to the type and conditions. Some pilots might be very competent flying a 172 in day VFR, but be challenged by an electrical failure, and become overwhelmed. Another pilot could take that some plane, and fly it night IFR, loose a radio and the gyros, and continue on no more than annoyed. It's a matter of experience, and what are your norms.

The pilot who spends 15 minute on a pre takeoff checklist in a 172 is not up to par. A few days ago, I waited for a pilot (who had done the walk around, got in and closed the doors of a Cessna 175) to complete his checks, start and taxi, because I really needed that bit of main ramp for the compass calibration I was trying to complete.

After waiting for minutes, I gave up, taxied to the hangar, and shut down. I said to the avionics tech with me: "I bet I'll be airborne and clear before he taxis out". I was joking, but that's what happened. It was a hot day, and it must have been stuffy for the two of them in there! I suspect that pilro was overwhelmed by something.

It is the duty of pilots to learn and build skill with experience. This will continually move the threshold of whelming. As the pilot is able to manage more elements, more failures, and more differing types of aircraft, the matrix of pilot skill increase to possible challenging situations becomes much more in that pilot's favour. Fewer and fewer things will overwhelm that pilot, and instead, an air of confidence and appropriate expediency will prevail over most of what they do.
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Part of not getting overwhelmed it must be said is the ability to prioritize. This is a skill few people have when it comes to flying, or learning to fly, and often have a hard time learning it in the process. One can frequently watch people in their daily lives who have poor ability this way, and as usual we draw the pilot stock from them. There's a certain amount of mental ruthlessness that must be invoked. One can't artificially increase ones own workload and the KISS rule always applies.

This is one thing that becomes very apparent when teaching new instructors. Demonstrating is very hard when one isn't efficient at prioritizing what needs to be done and what needs to be said. What's the most important things that you must make sure the student sees? As the instructor you must prioritize correctly, since as monkey see, monkey do, the student will prioritize as you do.
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the ability to prioritize
The trick is that you need the experience and knowledge
to know what you can safely ignore or postpone, and
what you need to pay attention to right now.

This is one reason why most flight instruction is so poor -
the low-time instructor doesn't have the insight to know
what is essential, and what's simply nice to know, and
what you can completely ignore, at any given stage of
a pilot's learning.

The problem is that non-pilots on the ground in administrative
positions will throw all sorts of nonsense at you, and you
need a bit of thick skin to know when to ignore their whining.
The Forced Approach has that problem in spades. And low-
time pilots are generally terrified of non-pilots in administrative
positions.

I'm doing an initial instructor rating with a highly experienced
pilot - like sidestick stirrer, he has tens of thousands of hours
in heavy jets - and he has incredible aviation knowledge.

The challenge for him, when constructing PGI, is to first boil
down to the essentials, what the student needs to know, to
perform the exercise in the airplane. This is not easy to do.

You need to have a thick skin to throw out "nice to know"
stuff that all sorts of whining people will tell you, that you
need to include on the first lesson, in some sort of sadistic
attempt to overwhelm the student.

Once you know what material you are going to cover, then
you need to figure out how you are going to present it, in
the most comprehensible fashion. This is not always easy,
either.

A good example of "nice to know" crap that you can drop
is exercise 6 - straight and level flight. The FIG wants you
to talk about errors of the compass.

Give me a break. That has nothing to do with the core
lesson of that exercise, and should be introduced later - not
on the student's second flight lesson, for Christ's sake. It
takes a thick skin, and some years of experience, to come
to that sort of conclusion and to stand by it.
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The trick is that you need the experience and knowledge
to know what you can safely ignore or postpone, and
what you need to pay attention to right now.
Many things, however one should be able to easily discern what's important and what's not, mostly by some observation and some simple deductive reasoning. You're right that many things in aviation might seem foreign to the neophyte and therefore tougher to deduce whether it necessary or not, but there's a buttload that some simple reasoning should dispense with.

People of course aren't good at doing this. One only needs to witness fellow drivers to see it. After all, if one was to put the question to someone "when driving a motor vehicle, which is the more important task? a) Driving the vehicle, or b) texting to your friend" it should be readily obvious which one should command the most of one's attention. I'm sure if you asked people this question you'd get a 100% response as a), the question being then, why doesn't this translate into practice?

One might say then that people have the knowledge and ability to prioritize, but don't put it to use when it comes time to do it. Many people don't have the ability to think in a deductive manner in real time. As a result, their reason is quickly clouded by what they feel are important items as they appear to them emotionally. Unfamiliar things are feared (thus have high attachment) and items that involve interpersonal action also get high priority.

It would probably be interesting, as an experiment, to give a variety of pilots puzzles to solve, then see how they can do the same thing when pressed for time, then the same things at distraction, or when also pressed to communicate while they're doing the task.
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