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[Shiny Side Up]

It would be a frickin' miracle if pilots could get their heads around of how little importance how good they sound on the radio is.

I can not agree with this statement. It is just as easy to teach good radio procedures as it is to let bad ones fester in students. Call a busy tower with a good concise report/request with all the right info and you are likely to get good service. Waste everyone's time with lots of umms and errs, unnecessary words and exchanges that turn into 20 questions and you get the inconvenient routing or just told that you can't enter the Class C airspace.

I see this all the time in the airspace around YVR and not for guys trying to go to CYVR, just pilots who want to transit the zone.

But lets face it BPF, if you f@ck up on the radio, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. Contrary to what a lot of instructors would have their students believe, or lots of pilots seem to believe, there is no radio police, no one's going to be waiting on the ground to beat you with a soap on a rope, and its not going to go on your permanent record. Yes you need to make better radio calls, and be more efficient and there's a way people should do things, but this ain't the most important thing about flying airplanes.

If more people could get this through their heads, remember to fly the damn airplane - or worry about getting better at how well they fly first - then the rest would follow. Chances are, that guy you hear mucking up his radio calls, talking on the radio ain't the worst thing he does in an airplane.

[Big Pistons Forever]

. Chances are, that guy you hear mucking up his radio calls, talking on the radio ain't the worst thing he does in an airplane.

True but my experience is that, in general the lower time PPL's that sound good on the radio usually do all the other things that make for good piloting too because instructors that make the effort to teach them how to talk properly on the radio also make the effort to teach them all the other parts too. On the other hand instructors that either don't know how to talk on the radio themselves or could not be bothered to properly teach their student how to communicate will usually miss a lot of other even more important stuff to teach their student.

It is kind of like the Ruddy Gullianni approach to crime in New York. He told the police to not accept bad behavior even if it was of a minor nature. The idea was that bad behavior in the little things eventually led to bad behavior in stuff that was more serious.