Air Canada, how I loathe you.

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Post by Captain Morgan »

Perhaps Griffon would care to explain why the above rant is off-base. It would be interesting to read the opposing argument to a few of the above statments.
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Griffon wrote:Blastor has just managed to expose his vast ignorance of the airline and business world. He's proven he hasn't got a clue which end of a nail goes in, much less "Hit the nail" anywhere near it's head.

But thanks, just the same... Nice to know there are such kind hearted souls out there.
That's right, lets re-elect the NDP at a provincial level and elect them to the federal level..

So that way we can all see what it feels like to be Air Canada and live in their tough shoes..

Or lets bring in 100% communism, even Aeroflot is flying around..
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Griffon wrote:Blastor has just managed to expose his vast ignorance of the airline and business world. He's proven he hasn't got a clue which end of a nail goes in, much less "Hit the nail" anywhere near it's head.

But thanks, just the same... Nice to know there are such kind hearted souls out there.
So, lets re-elect the NDP to the provincial level, elect them to the Federal gov't. So we can all see what hardship Air Canada has been going through..

Or, lets switch to 100% communism.. Funny how Aeroflot is still in business..
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Griffon

Go ahead and show me the light. Please explain the truth to me.

Such has...

Why did Air Canada received my money (taxes) to be kept afloat but not the other guys?

Why Air Canada savior is from another country?

Why Robert Milton got millions of dollars in bonuses but the employee on the floor received a $8.00 meal voucher to Harveys for going above and beyond the call of duty?

Why Air Canada oversell their flight?

Why Air Canada screwed-over the unions over concessions?

What's going on with Air Canada pension plan?

What happen to Tango? I recall Robert Milton saying it was a great success and it was here to stay...

Why Air Canada depends on their Federal friends to keep the company afloat EVEN WHEN ITS IN A MONOPOLY POSITION?

Why Air Canada still exist in a free-market economy? Unless we changed to a Socialist/Communist system while I was sleeping..

Your Ignorant friend
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It's sad that I'd need to, since it's such obvious trash, but ok...

"<i>Why did Air Canada received my money (taxes) to be kept afloat but not the other guys?</i>"

That's absolutley false. You're obviously listening to others who know nothing making outrageous claims, and just echoing them. Name to me the occasion and dollar figure?

"<i> Why Air Canada savior is from another country?</i>"

That has relevance? If anything, I'd think it's a sad statement about Canadians lack of concern for their own.

"<i> Why Robert Milton got millions of dollars in bonuses but the employee on the floor received a $8.00 meal voucher to Harveys for going above and beyond the call of duty?</i>"

He hasn't gotten millions of dollars in bonuses at all, you sadly misinformed fellow, He would have, or will, out of Victor Li's pocket, not the employees, IF Air Canada survives and thrives.

"<i>Why Air Canada oversell their flight?</i>"

I believe you'll find ALL airlines do that (which was not my first clue that you knew nothing of the airline business). It's because they monitor their "no-show" rates on various routes and adjust the overselling accordingly to minimize the number of empty seats. Widely accepted and practiced tactic.

"<i>Why Air Canada screwed-over the unions over concessions?</i>"

As one of those unions members, I can say for certain you haven't got a clue. Firstly, a few of those unions haven't given up squat as of yet, and were attempting to get away with non existant layoffs in order to cover their "share of the pain"... That's one of the reasons we're in such trouble right now... There are groups at AC who need to make some real concessions. While others have most certainly made them, as they needed to.

"<i>What's going on with Air Canada pension plan?</i>"

Far too complex an issue for a short reply... and the question helps illustrate my point.

"<i>What happen to Tango? I recall Robert Milton saying it was a great success and it was here to stay... </i>"

Again, obviously you haven't been paying attention, and you're disqualifying yourself for any pretense of informed comment... Tango fares are now a part of a blended fare structure...

"<i>Why Air Canada depends on their Federal friends to keep the company afloat EVEN WHEN ITS IN A MONOPOLY POSITION?</i>"

...and again... you don't have a clue! What are you talking about? Federal friends have NOT been doing thing one to keep the company afloat! Where do you get this stuff?

"<i> Why Air Canada still exist in a free-market economy? Unless we changed to a Socialist/Communist system while I was sleeping.. </i>"

Unlikely... you're apparently still sleeping, or you've woken up in woderland.

"<i>Air Canada has been receiving federal aid for the last 10-15 years</i>"

Patently false! That statement, my ? friend, makes your ignorance of these issues, painfully obvious.

I mean you no disrespect, but I can't be silent in the face of such nonsense. ...and to hear someone else say you've "hit the nail on the head".... ho boy.... :?
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/features/actimeline.html

"1988
Air Canada is privatized in order to level the playing field between the two major airlines. Forty-three per cent of Air Canada's shares are sold to the public.

July 1989
The balance of Air Canada's shares are sold to the public. Under the 1987 Air Canada Public Participation Act, no

Aug. 13, 1999
Ottawa suspends Competition Act to let the airlines legally talk about restructuring.

Sept. 2, 1999
18,500 airline employees say they'll strike Sept. 27 if the government doesn't guarantee there will be no forced job losses in airline restructuring.

April 10, 1937
The government passes an act establishing Trans-Canada Air Lines. "

But I guess Mr. Air Canada founded the company from scratch and has worked his entire life to bring it to where it is... :roll:
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Since it was a Crown Corp.. How come it went from Grandeur to the sh8ts?!

Aeroflot was owned by a 3rd world country and some how it isn't bankrupt!
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Hmmmm! Griffon you did not answer one thing. Your rebutal has no merit.

*About the tax breaks, subsidies and goverment bailouts and handouts.
That's absolutley false. You're obviously listening to others who know nothing making outrageous claims, and just echoing them. Name to me the occasion and dollar figure?
Are you kidding? You're kidding right?


*About Li's rescue of Air Canada
That has relevance? If anything, I'd think it's a sad statement about Canadians lack of concern for their own.
I think it speaks volume that not one canadian businessman, NONE, could be bother to think about rescueing Air Canada

*About Roberts generous bonus $$$$$
He hasn't gotten millions of dollars in bonuses at all, you sadly misinformed fellow, He would have, or will, out of Victor Li's pocket, not the employees, IF Air Canada survives and thrives.
Will he or not? Make up your mind.

*About Overselling seats
I believe you'll find ALL airlines do that (which was not my first clue that you knew nothing of the airline business). It's because they monitor their "no-show" rates on various routes and adjust the overselling accordingly to minimize the number of empty seats. Widely accepted and practiced tactic.
I know for a fact that WestJet does not. You seem seriously misinformed about this industry.

*About Union's concession
As one of those unions members, I can say for certain you haven't got a clue. Firstly, a few of those unions haven't given up squat as of yet, and were attempting to get away with non existant layoffs in order to cover their "share of the pain"... That's one of the reasons we're in such trouble right now... There are groups at AC who need to make some real concessions. While others have most certainly made them, as they needed to.
What are you saying? Unions are to blame? Realy? Or are you saying evrything is rosy between the various unions and Air Canada mangement?
You shoudl informed yourself. You're in for a rude schock..

From the Globe and Mail
The unions argued that Air Canada and its chief executive officer Robert Milton had violated the Canada Labour Code by going directly to employees on the pensions matter.
read the full story:http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/Art ... s/Canadian

*About the Pension plan
Far too complex an issue for a short reply... and the question helps illustrate my point.
Exactly. You're in total ignorance

*About Tango
Again, obviously you haven't been paying attention, and you're disqualifying yourself for any pretense of informed comment... Tango fares are now a part of a blended fare structure...
Blended fare? Where's the low cost airline named Tango? Oooh! it ceased operations. Oooooh! It's only a fare level for now.....?No! Realy?

*About The Federal goverment handouts, bailouts and subsidies to the MONOPOLY.
...and again... you don't have a clue! What are you talking about? Federal friends have NOT been doing thing one to keep the company afloat! Where do you get this stuff?
Sorry to burst your bubble. Are you working for Group Action by any chance?

*About the fact that Air Canada still exist today
Unlikely... you're apparently still sleeping, or you've woken up in woderland.
What kind of answer is that? Ok, ok I'll respect your opinion. Go back to sleep

*About AirCanada receiving federal aid for the last 10-15 years
Patently false! That statement, my ? friend, makes your ignorance of these issues, painfully obvious.
Geeeez You say you worked for AirCanada? I don't know if I should cry or laugh..
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Post by chow »

Welcome to th game.....



Obviously you (blastor) are one of the readers here who can be congradulated as a new participant....

In this forum......opinions are welcome... lest I should give mine....



Who would you work for then...?????


If your job is sooooo good please tell the rest of us why ours is sooo bad!


I have 5000 good times and can train at a goody.......ooops am I not S GOOD AS YOUR SYSTEM DICTATES....???

wish you were here...


T

PS AC and WJ have people that weed out personaliiess like you...


Good lucj!
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Post by Blastor »

chow, I'm sorry I couldn't make up what you've typed :?:

Take those fingers out from your boss assh*le and give me my order!

....And no I don't want ketchup.

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Post by Bubbles »

i agree.
blastor, that was pathetic.
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Ahhhhh let them go TU!
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Post by madjak »

As a Westjetter I can answer your question on cancellation and chg fees they are both the same. 25 plus tax. Use may use your credit anytime and we do not chg you for using it . It is a one time fee to cancel.
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Post by gelbisch »

griffon, bubbles... it's difficult to have an honest debate with folks who pull wild "facts" out of thin air, can only back them up by accusing you of ignorance at not acknowledging these statements, and then refute any arguments you make by simply dismissing them out of hand and repeating their trite myths. let him be... and agree to disagree.

as a wise man once said: anyone can make up statistics to prove what he says... 90% of all people know that. :lol:
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