Brazil picks Gripen NG over Super Hornet after US spying

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What does . Yeager think?

http://gripennewsthread.blogspot.ca/201 ... gplan.html

[Beefitarian]

Pffft! What does he know? Last time he flew an armed aircraft in combat it had propellers.

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More than you do then.

"The Air Force space school was closed in 1966, as NASA took over the training of astronauts. During the Vietnam War, Yeager -- now a full colonel -- commanded the 405th fighter wing out of the Philippines, flying 127 missions, and training bomber pilots. "

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Go on you tube and look for all the F-16's that had an engine failure and tell me how many didn't have to punch out. There have been a few stories out there where CF-18's have suffered engine failure - only to make it home cause they still had 1 turning.
Personally - i'd like to see the Rafale in the inventory.

Also had a bunch of engine failures on takeoff where the crew(s) punched out, so the extra engine may/may not matter
Agree with the Rafale

[Beefitarian]

You fell for that? I doubt it would have been a more obvious troll if I had said it in costume but...

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So the artical states that Embraer will become Saab's biggest partner & that Brazil w/ get a transfer of technology so it will have the capability of building it's own fighters w/ this technological information.

I'd really like to see a deal that has similar terms for Canada. A real plan for the future!

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If we do get the JSF I can't imagine the fallout the first time one is lost due to an engine failure. A wee birdie could bring down tens of millions of dollars of tax payers money and potentially a life. It boggles my mind why the DND isn't considering a twin.

Look at every single engine jet ever made. They're not bad or less reliable in the field then a twin.

Except for the times when that engine stops working of course. Simple arithmetic:

1-1=0
2-1=1

That "1" is what gets the jet and the pilot home as opposed to a very expensive hole in the ground and (at least in Canada's far north) a dead pilot.

Is your last name Mackay?

Well considering you would have to lose 2 Gripens to equal the cost of one lost F35... And most jockeys are smart enough to eject should they be unable to land their plane after an engine failure.

Look at how successful the Mig-21 and F-16 have been in service.

Your argument is basically stating a New King Air is much more desirable then a New PC-12. Well no shit.

Go on you tube and look for all the F-16's that had an engine failure and tell me how many didn't have to punch out. There have been a few stories out there where CF-18's have suffered engine failure - only to make it home cause they still had 1 turning.
Personally - i'd like to see the Rafale in the inventory.

Also had a bunch of engine failures on takeoff where the crew(s) punched out, so the extra engine may/may not matter
Agree with the Rafale

I agree with the both of you. However the Rafale would not be easily integrated with NATO aircraft:

Possibly the biggest stumbling block of the Rafale for Canada is, for lack of a better word, its "Frenchness". Not in any derogatory sense, but in the sheer amount of France sourced hardware built into the aircraft. The radar and SPECTRA ECM system are made by Thales, the engines are produced by Snecma. Almost all major components are built in France. This, of course, includes its weapons systems. This is where it gets complicated.

Although Dassault's website promises the ability to mount "Customer-selected weapons", the Rafale is currently outfitted to handle predominantly French made missiles. It will be compatible with the upcoming MBDA Meteor, but will only share a one-way datalink with the missile, rather than the two-way datalink the Meteor will have with the Gripen and Typhoon.

The Rafale's weapon compatibility isn't such a big deal for India, it currently flies the Dassault Mirage and is already equipped with a stockpile of French munitions. Canada, however, would have to make the decision to either replace our current stockpile of American AMRAAMs, Sidewinders, Mavericks, and Harpoons for French Micas, Hammers, and Exocets; or wait (and pay) for the Rafale to be tested and cleared for Canada's current weapon stockpile. Any price advantage the the Rafale has over the Typhoon could easily be eliminated by extra costs inherited with its weapon systems.

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All that being said... I would rather see my tax dollars go to the Rafale over the F35.

[AuxBatOn]

Except the Rafale is much more expensive than the JSF

[Beefitarian]

Rilly?

[iflyforpie]

Except the Rafale is much more expensive than the JSF

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This thread gave me cancer.

[Beefitarian]

Merry Xmas.

[xchox]

Except the Rafale is much more expensive than the JSF

@#$! this... I'm out!