Got it, reply sent

I'm trying to have my FAA CPL, Last guy I talked to (in a Canadian school doing the conversion) told me they stopped doing the conversion since august.. whatever, it look like it is still working for the ATP, but no info on the CPL, I tried to call to the FSDO but no one ever picked the phone.. Any of you got some info for me?
And just to be sure.. I got my letter, next step is going to the US to take the FAA exam, come back home and then take an appointment to the nearest FSDO?!
Thanks

Trey,

Thanks for the thorough response. I've tried to PM you, however my post count is not high enough to PM, so if you could email me it would be greatly appreciated. Thx

trey kule wrote:You are not late at all.
I just did the conversion. Last week in October.
You can pretty much ignore all of the above. Nothing has practically changed,

All the nonsense posted here got me all worried, and I got it in writing from the FSDO before I went.

PM if you would like details as I do not want to get into a public debate on the process.

Here is the FAa response

Sir,

In response to your inquiry this morning regarding the issuance of an FAA ATP license based on your Canadian ATP license I have attached 2 pdf’s that apply to you.

1st PDF is a page pulled from 8900.1, Volume 5, Chapter 2, Section 14 (Issue a Part 61 U.S. Pilot Certificate on the Basis of a Foreign-Pilot License) That pertains to your situation.
2nd PDF is Advisory Circular (AC) 61-135 (Conversion Procedures and Processes for FAA Pilot Certificates and TCCA Pilot Licenses) (See pages 7 & 9-10)

These two documents explain in detail exactly what is required to convert your Canadian ATP to an FAA ATP. During our conversation you stated that you have already completed the foreign Pilot verification process and have received your letter, and that you have a current medical. Based on that information and after reading the information above, I believe you will need to take the FAA Written Test for ATP.
Once Completing the FAA Written test for ATP you may be issued your FAA License, once received you will be required to perform a flight review before exercising your privileges. All requirements are detailed in the Documents Attached.
Also if you wish to book an appointment for your conversion you must do so with the Flight Standard District Office (FSDO) that your listed on your Foreign Verification Application. If you wish to change the location of your appointment you must call Oklahoma City Foreign Pilot Verification (405) 954-1890 and request that your letter be faxed to the FSDO you wish to book the appointment with.
Please review the attached information and if you have any further questions please feel free to contact me at this email address or the number listed below.
Thanks,

As to the flight review. I had a copy of my current sim Check ride, and that was satisfactory as a flight review.
It is not a hard process.

I tired to PM you, but apparently I do not have enough posts to PM. If you can shoot me an email it would be greatly appreciated! I seem to get conflicting answers depending on which FSDO i'm speaking with.

PM sent

the FAA has some problems right now when it comes to licenses and certification

I spoke to TC last week and the conversion process is alive and kicking
at least for anyone converting a licence or IFR rating from a US to Canadian.

Alberta_x51 wrote:I spoke to TC last week and the conversion process is alive and kicking
at least for anyone converting a licence or IFR rating from a US to Canadian.

Maybe that's the problem.

If the US is not reciprocating, then perhaps TC should be made aware of that fact and put a hold on FAA to TC conversion until the FAA has got their shit together.

My .02 (CDN) cents

JP

trey kule wrote:PM sent

the FAA has some problems right now when it comes to licenses and certification

After getting bounced around the FAA Airman Certification office for a week or so, I finally got ahold of an examiner to explain the new rules.

In Short, to convert a Canadian ATPL to an FAA ATPL is $5000.00 USD($6000 cad), by the New ATP CTP course offered at one of these five training centers:
1. Embry Riddle Florida, - $5000
2. ABX Air , Ohio - $4500
3. CAE Simuflight, ?
4. ExpressJet - $5000
5. AeroSim $ 5000

The new ATP CTP course must be done PRIOR to writing the new knowledge exam. The old knowledge exam was test Code ACP which has now been changed to the new ACM test this month.

The problem with this, is that I already have 6500 hrs, in addition to experience on everything from a Cessna Citation to the Boeing 777.I also have almost 400 hours of Level D sim time. I've written the Airman Certification branch a long letter explaining the new requirements are grossly unjustified, and completely unobtainable for someone with my experience wanting to convert under the Reciprocal FAA/TC Agreement.

if ANYONE has a better idea, or a cheaper approach please contact me.

If you are interested in paying the $5000.00Us,($6000 cad) here is the total course:
Aerosim ATP CTP

Program Description
4 day/30 hours of Academic Training
3 days/10 hours of Simulator Training
4 Hours Level 4 FSTD
6 Hours Full Motion Flight Simulator
ATP Knowledge test included
$4,995-7 day program
Offered at the Aerosim Training Center in Orlando, Florida

The ATP Certificate Training is the starting point in the process of becoming Airline Transport Pilot certified. Aerosim provides a wide range of advanced equipment and expert services designed to meet your training needs.

In compliance with new FAA regulations set on August 1, 2014 this 7-day course consists of 4 days/30 hours of academic training, followed by 3 days/10 hours of simulator training. Academic Training content includes:
High altitude aerodynamics and maneuvering
Airplane weather detection systems
Advanced physiology/fitness for flight
Multi-crew communication training
Multi-crew environment checklist usage
Low-visibility operations
Advanced navigation concepts unique to air carrier operations
Air carrier safety culture to include safety programs used to enhance air carrier safety, which include: ASAP- Aviation Safety Action Program
FOQA- Flight Operational Quality Assurance
LOSA- Line Operations Safety Audits
ASRA- Aviation Safety Reporting System

Aerosim's ATP CTP Simulator Training content will train participants in these areas:
Navigation
Automation
Runway safety
High alt. Operations
Low energy states
Upset prevention & recovery

Contact:
If you have any questions or would like additional information please call 404-202-8865 or email trainingsolutions@aerosim.com.

Is there any actual current information in terms of converting the TC CPL to a FAA CPL? All the forms and information pdfs on the FAA website are a couple of years old already. I would imagine that they would upload at least an amended version if things would have changed? From what I understand, that's the process:

- Fill out and send AC Form 8060 to the Airmen Certification Branch in Oklahoma City
- Get the FAA Medical (can be done in Canada)
- Get a response letter from Oklahoma
- Write the Conversion Exam (can be done in Canada)
- Make an appointment with the FSDO and take your medical + exam results there to finish up the paperwork

Am I missing something? The advisory circular where I got the information from, Form AC-61, is dated from 2006 so it's definitely not the most up to date version.
I've sent out the verification of authenticity form and got my FAA medical anyway. Let's see what's going to happen. Since it is a reciprocal agreement and TC seems to have been doing their side of the work, I can not see the procedure changing a lot. But then again we are talking bureaucracy here...

The new ATPL conversion exam (ACH) is now available ...effective February 9th at testing I have a copy of the exam matrix if anyone is interested.
But, I am not certain that successfully passing the exam is enough. Will be speaking with FAA officials next week.

Let us know how that goes.

trey kule wrote:The new ATPL conversion exam (ACH) is now available ...effective February 9th at testing I have a copy of the exam matrix if anyone is interested.
But, I am not certain that successfully passing the exam is enough. Will be speaking with FAA officials next week.

Additionally, all of the testing centers I spoke with in Washington state, have been updated with the matrix to include the statement, " Candidates must have successfully passed the ATP training certificate before commencing this examination".

I would like to provide everyone here with an update on the conversion process from TC CPL to FAA CPL. I know this thread has somewhat shifted to the updated ATPL procedures but I still want to leave some first hand information for those of you out there, who are looking to convert their CPL. I just went through the process myself and can tell you that nothing seems to have changed.

Again, this is for the CPL, not ATPL. That's the way it worked for me:

1. Send your completed Verification of Authenticity of Foreign License (...) AC8060 to the Airman Certification Branch in Oklahoma. You can do that via fax or mail. I would definitely recommend doing that first since that's the step that will take the longest.
2. Go get your FAA Medical. This can be done in Canada. There is a list online published by the FAA with FAA certified AMEs outside of the US. For the CPL you would need a Cat. 2 medical (Cat 1. for ATPL). It cost me $150. Before you go, don't forget that you need to fill out a form online first (google FAA MedXPress).
3. Write your CPL Conversion Exam (CCP). You do not need to take a ground school for that, however I used Gleim which was extremely helpful and after 2 days of reviewing I was ready to write the exam. The exam itself took no more than 15 minutes (40 questions). The exam can be written at authorized test centres in Canada. Don't forget that you need to sign up through PSIOnline to take the exam. The exam fees were I believe $165. If you want to convert your Instrument Rating as well (should you have one) keep in mind that you need to write the ICP (Instrument Conversion Exam) as well. Also noteworthy is that in the US certain restrictions apply to your CPL should you not hold a valid IFR rating.
4. Now that you got all that done you just need to wait for your confirmation from the FAA in Oklahoma. Luckily for me, that letter arrived the day after I wrote the exam. Once that's in and you have all your paperwork in order you can contact the FSDO which you indicated on your initial form. They will most likely forward you to a certified FAA examiner who will complete the conversion with you. He/She will ask you to email a copy of the exam report, FAA medical, foreign license and medical and then set up a date with you to meet and finish up the paperwork. He will issue you a temporary FAA certificate until you get the actual one in the mail. There is a $175 fee associated with that.

Overall, the process has a few sidesteps that need to be done but is not too complicated. I've converted my PPL before and have to say that so far I've only dealt with very pleasant people at the FAA and everything has been dealt with in a very fast and efficient manner. The FAA advises you that it can take up to three months until you hear back from them, however from my personal experience and that of people around me they've always been a lot faster than quoted. Also noteworthy, the exam fee and FAA examiner fee are in US funds, so with the weak canadian dollar at the moment it turns out to be a bit more expensive. Expect to spend a minimum of $500-600 for the whole conversion (which is still significantly cheaper compared to a JAR / EASA conversion).
This was my personal experience. Individual cases might be a little different.

Is there a mandatory course to be taken or can you just use Gleim's prep course? and who can administer test in CYYZ area ?
Like everyone else, I have got a lot of run around to convert my ATPL

Does the ATPL (ACM) conversion exam convert the IR rating as or do we have the write the ICP (instrument) as well?

I called the FAA in Oaklahoma they said yes. Then I called the FSDO I selected for my verification and they said only the ACM exam is required and that will include the instrument... Confusing..

Teamflyer wrote:Does the ATPL (ACM) conversion exam convert the IR rating as or do we have the write the ICP (instrument) as well?

I called the FAA in Oaklahoma they said yes. Then I called the FSDO I selected for my verification and they said only the ACM exam is required and that will include the instrument... Confusing..

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Did anyone get a firm answer to this question? Can you just do the ACM and get the FAA ATP?