C-FNET C172S Investigation Report

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Re: C-FNET C172S Investigation Report

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Friends that fly with their pilot friends generally want to see the 'stall'
There is a lot truth in this, and it is one of the many tests of a pilot, to assure that wise judgement always overlays decisions about doing what passengers "want to see". Obviously, some things are okay, and probably go a long way to promote appreciation for flying. But, it can be a narrow margin past that to dangerous - should not be attempting.

One aspect which newer pilots overlook can be that at the outset, everything is calm, and looks easy, and concentrating is easy. But then someone shreaks, someone else says they're going to be sick, and the pilot is busy recovering from somewhere that pilot should not have gone. The cockpit environment for concentration is gone - nothing but distraction, and problem.

I once did a design approval test flight in a 172, and subsequent "checkout" with the flying instructor who was sent to accompany me. When I asked him if there was any particular maneuver he would like to see me fly, to my great surprise, he asked me to demonstrate a roll. I told him "no", which was the right answer in any case, but I really thought he was setting me up. Nope, 'turns out that he had just never done a roll, and figured that this might be his chance to see one. I disappointed him, he did not see a roll. He did write me a very nice proficiency letter though, and signed it as the flying club's safety officer!

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I can be occasionally blunt on certain aviation topics. This is one of them.

IMO, there is absolutely zero place for emergency type airwork exercises with passengers. Training flights and flying a mission with pax ---- should'nt mix. Potential for fatal distractions are just too great. I would even be very hesitant with other pilots, if I did not know them......

My low timer opinion.
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As Larry King says when asked about the kind of
underwear has uses: "Depends".

I know some very good pilots - e.g. Bob Hoover,
Tex Johnston, my father, etc - who are quite
capable of safely rolling a large aircraft at low
altitude with pax on board. I know that, because
they have done it many times.

Other people, I wouldn't trust them to fly a
circuit in less than perfect wx.

I know this isn't very egalitarian, but it all
depends upon the skill and knowledge and
experience of the pilot.

Sorry if people find that elitist. I am sure
someone will find it appropriate to screech
and honk at me for pointing out that pilots
have different levels of abilities.

For example, who here amongst the self-
proclaimed AvCan experts, can fly like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnuWuNyitzE


See, even if I gave you the airplane, and you
spent a week at FlightSafety, you still couldn't
do that.
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Sweet Video!
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Ironic trivia: Skip caught sh1t from ICAS for
doing that (in Mexico). However, ICAS, despite
the name, refuses to recognize any airshow
outside US + Canada - they "don't count".

Ok, if they "don't count", why are you giving
sh1t to someone in an airshow that you don't
recognize the existence of?

As Brian Mulroney is famously quoted, you
can't suck and blow at the same time.

I think Skip had his card pulled for doing
the "fly under the motorcycle" video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weinURxEncg


Skip is a lot of fun. He makes me look like
a little old lady. I don't think the harrumphers
here would like him very much: every flight
is +11/-7G. He's broken every part of his
airplane including an I-strut which I personally
find fascinating.
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