Saxon YVR 737NG ad

[ourkid2000]

Really?...what are you going to do on the line to a 737NG that is so difficult or isn't in some "procedure" somewhere?

Sweet merciful crap.....when was the last time your hands touched an aircraft son? Sheesh, normally I regard you with some respect on here even if I disagree but this is some seriously ignorant garbage.

[NeverBlue]

I've done it Kid.

It's not hard...I never found it hard...really..

and again with the patronizing...You do not show me respect here. I'm not your son and probably old enough to be your father...I mean "if I am who I say I am" right Kid?


anyone...an answer?


Nice post Schimunga. I agree with your point totally

[ourkid2000]

I've done it Kid.

and again with the patronizing...You do not show me respect here. I'm not your son and probably old enough to be your father...I mean "if I am who I say I am" right Kid?

What are you talking about anyways? That's not the first time you've accused me of not believing you are what you say you are and I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up. I have no idea what you getting on with here.

[Troubleshot]

NeverBlue wants someone to post the nuances of the 737, is there a procedure for most things? yes there is. However, if someone hires you as a 737 line engineer you better know how to service the oils on the jet without looking it up in the AMM. If we gave Neverblue the 737NG course and then put him on the line and said "keep the planes moving"....they would not move. He would be looking up every single task in the AMM trying to figure everything out.

I know as an experienced 737 AME to set the parking brake before starting a wheel/tire change...Neverblue do you know why? I know it is not a hard question but I just wanna see what your answer is before I continue. If you answer correct I'll throw a few more harder ones at you.

What if a new ramp guy has question on how to dump the shit tank....are you gonna take 20mins to look that up? What if the fuel guy can't get fuel into the wing tank? another 20mins to look that up as well...oh man you are now into a 40 min delay...all for something that would take me less than 3 mins.

[Troubleshot]

You gotta change a hydraulic component (name one)....what is the first thing you should do? I mean it is elementary to me but go ahead and answer. You go look it up in the manual while I just go ahead and do it. By the time you figure out this simple task I am already half way into the job.

point is I am more than twice as fast as you on that jet, that is what makes me worth more to employers. Trying to trivialize line maintenance just makes you look foolish.

[Troubleshot]

answer?

[13820]

Neverblue sounds like a typical airline management all-star.
As you say troubleshot, you can't take the time to look everything up, there has to be experience to back it. Looking up a "procedure" and following that to the letter will not even lead you to the source of the problem anyway. System knowledge comes from years of experience not reading. Management does not look at, and it is hard to quantify the time lost in maintenance to inexperience. Not respecting your senior maintenance people will in the long run cost the airline money in increased downtime and wasted inventory dollars. This never shows up as a line item on the financial report because the all-stars don't even recognize it.

Bottom line is: Respect your experienced maintenance personnel or throw that money out the window.

[Troubleshot]

oh no...window heat caution light. Neverblue? do have to change the windscreen? yes/no?

the answer is no but where do we go to access the secondary connection? what does the secondary connection do? I know right where to go...but you go look it up.

I will do it, and sign it out before you can find the reference in the AMM. I'll have a coffee while I watch you struggle...

[Troubleshot]

Hmmm he was responding to all my other posts pretty quickly....Google can be a bit of a jungle eh?

[Troubleshot]

Oh no there is oil leaking out the engine....pop open the cowls to inspect the drain tubes...hmmm yup oil leak alright. Better go get the AMM and try and figure out where this leak is coming from. OR you could just ask me and I would tell you it was just from when you got some oil in the scupper drain when you were adding oil...but you go look it up for a while...I'll go flirt with some F/A's

[Troubleshot]

Answers?

[ourkid2000]

My guess is he is going through all of my posts trying to figure out where I said he was a phony or some kind of liar......or whatever it is he thinks I said.

[Troubleshot]

oh no...engine won't start when selected. we have good duct pressure....I guess it is grounded right? oh wait! you can manually open the valve? that is great!! but how? what do I need?...you better go look that up.

need to lock out the TR...what do need? pretty simple but you go look that up.

[Troubleshot]

Oh no, the NLG strut is low...and my AMM is back in the terminal...if only there was a simple way to get the proper inflation....oh well I better go back through security to the office and get the AMM and waste more time...

[DonutHole]

Just wondering.. I don't have any 37 experience...

Could you use a level somewhere?

[13820]

Nope.

[13820]

Take 15 min. go back to the "procedure" and look it up. Then get the proper tooling. Then make the logbook entry

[Troubleshot]

Just wondering.. I don't have any 37 experience...

Could you use a level somewhere?

I sent you a PM with the correct info

[DonutHole]

I thank you.

Here is my perspective:

Wages are not where they need to be.

I've had the work ethic beat right out of me in aviation. Sketchy calls made above my pay grade, crappy pay, but what's worse is the vision that I am a cost, not an asset and yeah, it's p.c. liberal fluffy shit, but I like to feel as if Im appreciated. @#$! me if I like to hear that I've done a good job. When I pull the companies ass out of the fire, fucking rights I want a hero cookie.

But seriously, let's put this in perspective, and my word on this is gospel as I am almost licensed and have a recent view of the landscape as an apprentice.

The NDP in BC is lobbying for a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage. Folks, that's precisely 1 dollar an hour less than my hourly rate as a green apprentice. You would think it would get better, but folks, after four years, my classmates who are licensed are barely cracking thirty. Their perspective income outlook, if they wish to remain on a base job will be just under 40 an hour. That is 80k a year. They will take approx. four more years to get to that rate.... by that time, that 80k will be worth??? after taxes right now that's worth like what? 60 anyways?

Im not an industry expert by any means, but I see a glass ceiling coming down the pipe.

The guys at the top now, they're going to retire. Most of them have been at the top for a good long time... who replaces them? They're all going to be replaced by guys who have like five years before they retire, wash, rinse, repeat.

The young guys coming in now aren't going to have the access to the top levels, not like the guys who are on the precipice RIGHT NOW. The era of a 20 year career at the top is gone, the top end of the spectrum is plugged up with skilled guys just itching to move up for their last five years of big earning. Meanwhile, at the bottom end there is a huge vacuum occuring, and it's sucking up everything with a pulse.

With a gigantic, albeit horribly diluted talent pool at the bottom, and a top end clogged with next-gen managers in waiting the new fish in this industry should know that they'll spend most of their life in the middle, and the middle is about 10 bucks an hour more than minimum wage.

If you are happy with that, then fill your boots. I made that choice for myself, we all did, so we can't really sit in judgment, and we shouldn't, not of each other at least. There is some good money to be made in aviation, and after years of hard work, you can get there, but not everybody is that one special guy who strides to the top with seemingly no impediment, to the vast majority of guys, including me, you're not that guy.

So, the big question... Money.. well, are there easier ways to make money? Yes, what those are? Who knows... some people make money doing the strangest thing. If you want to be ego-invested in a career, and have that career define others perceptions of who you are, then aviation is a great ego-stroke, because yeah it is interesting and carries a certain professional caché amongst the plebs.... however, I found, that quickly goes away when your date picks up the tab... it's cool though, she's a waitress and just made three hundred bucks in tips... so yes... the logical conclusion is boobs, but let's be honest, not all of us are willing to have that STC installed.

The Biggest Question... Happiness? It's like anything, it is what you make it. It's great to have the adoration of the fans, for sure, but when your filthy buddies are getting rich off the explotation of mother earth and you're the guest on their new wakeboard boat, that you took to the lake in their new truck with enough legal GVW to carry a self powered pussy-electro-magnet... is adoration an perceived caché worth more than actual caché? That's a question your hapiness will have to answer.

[Pat Richard]

Troubleshot - Great stuff.

Schimunga - I agree somewhat with your statement about not looking up what other trades make because, well, it usually sucks and makes one miserable. But, figuratively speaking, putting ones head in the sand ain't the answer either because it needs to be known.

As for how I ended up on that ad, well google tracks your location, Im in Alberta, it was the third, but first ad that listed wages. It also doesn't stipulate a HD license, so I choose it. Might be an omission, but who knows. The point is I would like to see one aviation ad match it. Hell, partially match it.
Im confident you won't, and I think you know that also, but try and find one.

Hey Clueless, talk to Saxon about that optional straight time overtime YVR deal yet?? Guessing Troubleshot has you mad busy googling right now...

Take your time, but please confirm the time x 1/2 and time x 2 overtime rates that Saxon is paying. Everyone knows you're always right.


Do you carry your pen in your pocket, or did you buy a toolbox for it just to try and look the part? Good for carrying your lunch too...

[NeverBlue]

a procedure for most things? yes there is. However, if someone hires you as a 737 line engineer you better know how to service the oils on the jet without looking it up in the AMM. 

Again you're missing my point altogether.

Servicing the oils? That's the difficult task you give?

Welding aluminum, is more difficult.
Fabricating a tail section, is more difficult.
Bench repair of avionics and instruments, is more difficult
Engine overhauls, are more difficult
Aerospace Engineering, is more difficult.

Practicing Medicine, is more difficult.
Practicing Law, is more difficult.

Being a Parent, is more difficult.

Flight line maintenance, is not that difficult. Stressful to some...but not that difficult really.

[Pat Richard]

No surprise, can't answer even one.

All u needed to do was post and spare your typical useless diatribe leading up to it.

That one emoticon fits perfect.

So whats the story on the OT? C'mon Clueless, tell everybody how Im making that up/don't know what Im talking about, you no experience expert.

[ourkid2000]

I wasn't too sure on this Neverblue character over the past few years.....I was willing to give this person the benefit of the doubt and accept his point of view as a decent counterpoint to what most of us have been though. It can't all be crap right? After reading his comments on this thread, however, I have to say my impressions were dead wrong and it's probably damn obvious to every single person on here now. I'm shocked at the crap I just read.

I think from this point on there's no need for Troubleshot, Pat, or whomever to trade arguments with someone like this because it's really not worth it is it?

Sure, he's probably got a great gig but he's just proven himself 100% pure grade A troll on here now.

[Troubleshot]

a procedure for most things? yes there is. However, if someone hires you as a 737 line engineer you better know how to service the oils on the jet without looking it up in the AMM. 

Again you're missing my point altogether.

Servicing the oils? That's the difficult task you give?

Welding aluminum, is more difficult.
Fabricating a tail section, is more difficult.
Bench repair of avionics and instruments, is more difficult
Engine overhauls, are more difficult
Aerospace Engineering, is more difficult.

Practicing Medicine, is more difficult.
Practicing Law, is more difficult.

Being a Parent, is more difficult.

Flight line maintenance, is not that difficult. Stressful to some...but not that difficult really.

Bahaha so weak...not difficult for me, but obviously is for you. You asked for "answers anyone" and I gave several. you can even answer the oils one. The 737 has one stipulation when servicing oils and you say Line maintenance is "not that difficult"

You are outta your league buddy...


what a punk troll this guy is...

[Pat Richard]

If you work more hours than the federally regulated work week then you have to be paid overtime unless you are in an hour averageing system which I would assume this is not.

Still though $36/hr is an insult.

Do you have a link to that info?

I've always assumed that it only applied to employees.