F-35 is dead

[Rockie]

He made a cost analysis for ONE aircraft type. Means nothing when you don't compare it to other fighters

Hmmm, where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, that's one of the major failures of the Conservative government in this whole fiasco. But since they still seem incapable of properly analyzing the cost of a single type there's no way they are competent to handle several. Maybe you should sit down and try and figure out whose side you're on.

[xsbank]

2R, I liked that. We've built lots of aircraft useful for the military in numerous countries, the Twotter is still being bought and the Rubber Duck is being sold for maritime use. Bombardier has the capacity and the expertise, a bit more federal largesse and make them build them in Moose Jaw...

[Gravol]

I quote:

"we are dealing with a generation who think war is fictional."

You deserve to get called out for that when we've spent a decade worrying about (and some of us, mourning) our friends and families who have been sent abroad to fight on behalf of NATO. I never said you didn't support them, but you clearly don't remember that they, their friends, family, classmates, coworkers, etc. are this generation you've decided to paint in broad strokes.

Are you for real? Maybe I was one of them ? Maybe some of my closest pals did a tour? doesn't change what I say or what I meant. Our generation has some servere issues just like others have in the past. Yet for some reason you're fixated on me and this anti-soldier thing.

Maybe I am reading your lines the wrong way. I agree with quite a bit of what you have to say but please do not toss crap out like that absent a defence. Other than that your explanation seems logical. I just refer to Harper because that's the face you generally see behind all this;)

[costermonger]

Are you for real? Maybe I was one of them ? Maybe some of my closest pals did a tour? doesn't change what I say or what I meant. Our generation has some servere issues just like others have in the past. Yet for some reason you're fixated on me and this anti-soldier thing.

I never said you were anti-soldier. I take issue with the concept that opposition to the conduct of this whole thing is due to some generational belief that war isn't real. It's very real, and it's very expensive and unfortunately necessary on occasion. Misleading the public about the cost of a procurement program is totally counter to the goal of a well supported military - cock it up to a large enough degree and you've planted a seed that the military is wasting money or receiving more than it's fair share, and enterprising politicians will campaign on that and years down the road the next big capital purchase (frigates?) will find the purse strings virtually knotted.

I just refer to Harper because that's the face you generally see behind all this;)

I don't like Harper very much but he's a smart guy.. I figure it's a 50/50 chance MacKay loses his cabinet spot over this, if the story doesn't get lost in the background noise.

[frosti]

Maybe you should sit down and try and figure out whose side you're on.

I'm on the side that will provide the military the right tools for the job. So far, the only ones capable are the Conservatives.

[xsbank]

Well Frosti, finally you said something I agree with.

[mcrit]

This other thread might be worth a look see.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=85903

Rockie, I understand why you think Canada could never defend it's territory against a serious attack. Your thinking is stuck inside a uniquely liberal box.

[Rockie]

This other thread might be worth a look see.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=85903

Rockie, I understand why you think Canada could never defend it's territory against a serious attack. Your thinking is stuck inside a uniquely liberal box.

I'm dying to hear your opinion on how the Conservatives can defend territory the size of Canada.

[azimuthaviation]

I'm dying to hear your opinion on how the Conservatives can defend territory the size of Canada.

Sell enough of the resources to China so they will be compelled to protect their investment. Or cause enough environmental degradation that no one will want it. Maybe the Nexen sale last week was a way to combine both strategies.

[mcrit]

Rockie, I'm not going to introduce that amount of thread drift other than to say if there is genuine political will there is a way.

Azimuth, what has that got to do with aviation?

[North Shore]

^ mcrit, this whole thread is veering into a 'conservatives support the military/liberals do not' dichotomy. Ostensibly it's about the F35, and thus falls under the purview of an aviation board; more realistically, it's a political discussion. I suspect that no-one's mind is going to be changed by this thread either...

Edited to add: So, upon further reflection...