In Response to Racist Posts...

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:11 am

Deanna,

I'm sorry that you are having trouble at work over a thread that you obviously feel passionate about. I hope that everything works out well, and that your employer will see their way clear to reinstating you in your position..

2R · Post by 2R » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:17 am

School yard bullying is no excuse for promoting terrorism and criminal acts against a peaceful state that feeds you.Time to grow up and get on with your adult life.

What is the Airline that employs this communist terrorist ???

Have the Police been called to investigate the spread of the hate spewed on that website ???

Is that not a true hate crime ???

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:32 am

Come on 2R, Is activism communism? Is written activism terrorism? Deanna is trying to change the direction of her people by motivating them. Her message certainly isn't positive to us non-indiginous but it may empower her people to participate.

Whatever her motives, I don't see any signs of her being either a communist or a terrorist.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:46 am

Whatever her motives, I don't see any signs of her being either a communist or a terrorist.

So where do the group in Caledonia fit in?

Are they terrorists because they cow the government dressed like the military or are they just peace loving activists?

To put it another way, if a group of white people were to dress up in military garb and take possesion of the same property what would happen?

The reason I'm on this subject is because I personally believe there is a two tier system as far as the law goes, one for the Indians and one for the whites....prove me wrong.

the_professor · Post by **the_professor** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:06 pm

xsbank wrote:Professor, you can't hide in the middle of the herd. Or whatever a group of lemmings is called. Thanks for ruining my breakfast.

Still waiting for specifics on WTF you're talking about.

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:09 pm

Cat Driver wrote:
Whatever her motives, I don't see any signs of her being either a communist or a terrorist.
So where do the group in Caledonia fit in?

Are they terrorists because they cow the government dressed like the military or are they just peace loving activists?

To put it another way, if a group of white people were to dress up in military garb and take possesion of the same property what would happen?

The reason I'm on this subject is because I personally believe there is a two tier system as far as the law goes, one for the Indians and one for the whites....prove me wrong.

I was speaking only of Deanna who claims she has not taken part in that type of blockade or protest. Those who do, certainly border on terrorists and there absolutely is a two tier system as you describe.

the_professor · Post by **the_professor** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:10 pm

flyinphil wrote:Come on 2R, Is activism communism? Is written activism terrorism? Deanna is trying to change the direction of her people by motivating them. Her message certainly isn't positive to us non-indiginous but it may empower her people to participate.

Whatever her motives, I don't see any signs of her being either a communist or a terrorist.

She says "take over the rails", and al-qaeda says "take over airplanes". Both are illegal, hers is economic terrorism. CN cancelled train runs during the threatened blockade in June, and $118M of freight runs through there daily.

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:11 pm

Dex bitchslaps flyinphil!
She is attempting to motivate her people to be racists! Her web site is *clear* evidence of this! What kind of activism motivates people to "empower" themselves through racism?

flyinphil wrote:Come on 2R, Is activism communism? Is written activism terrorism? Deanna is trying to change the direction of her people by motivating them. Her message certainly isn't positive to us non-indiginous but it may empower her people to participate.

Whatever her motives, I don't see any signs of her being either a communist or a terrorist.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:34 pm

Deanna, your once upon a time little Nish girl story is interesting.

However I get the feeling you are just to smooth in your attempt to use emotionalism to sidetrack any discussion that does not fit your agenda, which I am suspecting is not as pacifist as you would like us to believe.

I also came from a disadavntaged background but that should not excuse me from answering direct questions regarding a subject if I started it.

So why don't you answer my questions on the Caledonia thing and how about the missuse of medivac flights that are so common on Indian reserves.

Remember you and I are a lot alike gene wise, what I'm interested in is our political positions regarding the Indian problem in Canada.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:35 pm

Professor: This one,

"Are you trying to make a joke here? Did you see the web site she's associated with?

Sorry, but in this country we don't blockade railways or drag hydro towers across highways (and/or dress up like a ridiculous two-bit military outfit) when we're not happy with billions of dollars per year in handouts.

She is a hyprocrite who doesn't deserve the time of day from anyone on here. Nor do any of the people she associates with who share her approach to problem solving."

And this one:
"How about huffing aerosol cans out of a paper bag in the back of the plane, causing the pilots to become concerned about an unusual smell in the cockpit.

Or how about standing around like stone pillars while the pilots unload their bags 2ft away from them?

As you say, the list goes on and on. What a pathetic, dispicable sight to see.

Why is it that countless immigrants come to this country every year with far less than the Indians are given by our governments, and yet somehow they are able to succeed?

Anywayzzzz"

corporate joe · Post by **corporate joe** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:03 pm

Cat Driver wrote:

So why don't you answer my questions on the Caledonia thing and how about the missuse of medivac flights that are so common on Indian reserves.

Remember you and I are a lot alike gene wise, what I'm interested in is our political positions regarding the Indian problem in Canada.

Geez will you drop it already? Don't you see that this has nothing to do with the original topic at hand? What does her position (or anyone else's for that matter) on Caledonia, favorite color, or anything else have to do with the fact that some people on these boards use blanket simplistic statements to describe more complex realities (especially when in some cases these statements use race to explain human behavioural attributes ---- racism)?

Let me answer that for you, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. If you are truly interested in starting a side discussion (Caledonia or anything else), why don't you do it through PM's if you want it to be one on one, or even better start another topic about caledonia, and all those interested will be able to participate and give their input.

SYT_YYZ · Post by **SYT_YYZ** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:10 pm

Cat Driver wrote:Deanna, your once upon a time little Nish girl story is interesting.
However I get the feeling you are just to smooth in your attempt to use emotionalism to sidetrack any discussion that does not fit your agenda, which I am suspecting is not as pacifist as you would like us to believe.

I also came from a disadavntaged background but that should not excuse me from answering direct questions regarding a subject if I started it.

So why don't you answer my questions on the Caledonia thing and how about the missuse of medivac flights that are so common on Indian reserves.

Thank you Catdriver... this was essentially what I was trying to say, but could not articulate it near as well as you did... wise ole' cat

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:27 pm

Thank you Catdriver... this was essentially what I was trying to say, but could not articulate it near as well as you did... wise ole' cat

There is a saying SYT_YYZ ...

I'm to old a Cat to be screwed by a kitten....Now that does not make me wise though...right Corporate Joe?

DMH · Post by **DMH** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:39 pm

Let’s be honest. Before anyone started reading this discussion thread, everyone thought they were pretty open-minded…but it would seem from a great deal of the posts and personal attacks geared towards a person NONE of you truly understand or know, many have proven otherwise. I have seen GRAND leaps of assumption concerning my person and politics…and for what??? To discredit me, make me look bad and therefore, it seems, to be able to quietly sweep the REAL issues under the rug.

How utterly ridiculous that I have been deemed a communist-socialist-terrorist! This is surreal. I’ll be honest again, because I haven’t an issue being honest. I chose to write on this forum because I thought it was important to initiate dialogue among people who seemingly know NOTHING about one another, and by doing so, perhaps bridge a gap that is long overdue. I DIDN’T CALL ANYONE RACIST. I referred to the content and some of the terminology as such and DISRESPECTFUL. My point from go, was to have people THINK BEFORE THEY SPEAK…that is think about how others perceive the words they type, the ideas they project. I sure have gotten a lesson there on items that are years old... I’ve taken steps as a result to repair. And I’m okay with admitting error, I’m okay with appearing foolish… as long as there are people out there that can at the least admit they’ve learned something too! …and not that I’m communist-socialist terrorist! PLEASE! GIVE YOUR HEADS A SHAKE! GET UP FROM YOUR PC’S, TAKE A WALK, INHALE SOME OXYGEN, GET THE BRAIN FUNCTIONING AT FULL CAPAPCITY, and you’ll realize the absolute stupidity of these accusations. Most of the people who read or participated in this discussion think they are better than me, think they are better than the guy next door…their bosses, they are of the opinion that they are never wrong and everything they say is right. I have this to say about individuals like this: You are NOT open-minded, you are not as smart as you think you are. Your intolerance has prevented you from considering not only the consequences of your ideas (thank you to whomever took it upon themselves to contact my employer) but from giving your ideas validity because they come NOT from a place of true wonder, but one of vindictiveness, anger and an idea to best everyone else who tries to diminish your points. This isn’t constructive discussion. It’s just a battlefield for bullshit.

I’ve got one last thing to say on this subject: IDEAS HAVE CONSEQUENCES…but they can have good consequences. So, take the discussion idea I offered you, grab hold of it, and if you do this…well you just might one day become the open-minded person you think are. Free yourself from the ugly ideas that have controlled you a great portion of your lives and see how great that freedom feels. I’m giving everyone who reads this forum the benefit of the doubt that you can be great people…which is more than you’ve given me. If you are a good hearted person (and I am assuming that most are just that) I don't care if you are red, white, black, yellow or brown. We can be allies. We can combine efforts for the common good. It don’t matter to me if you have been pre-conditioned to think of yourself as a liberal, a conservative, a left-winger or a right-winger….or a communist-socialist terrorist. Because as soon as you start thinking for yourself, you will conclude as I have, that these are nothing but terms used to divide good people. Good people who are idealistically motivated and burning with a desire to make this world a better place in which to live. So many through this discussion want to LABEL…that is part of the problem. The discussion is NOT about what I did several years ago, what I watch, what I read…it’s about what I’m doing TODAY! There is a lot of self-righteousness floating around here…and the belief that this is YOUR world by some…It’s time to put away the busllshit. The ridiculous attacks geared at hurting one another. It’s time to be real people and put aside the LABELS, the ASSUMPTIONS, the ACTIONS that make people enemies and divide everyone with good intentions. Bottom line, we share the planet, we share occupations, cities, towns and …seats on airplanes. Let’s impose injustices together. We’ve all failed in this discussion so far….I have failed, everyone has failed because no one opposed the hate, the ignorance, the meanness, the vulgarity…we all just perpetuated it. For that, I’m sick, and sorry.

Now before I go…because I am an educated indigenous woman, who does know a lot about a lot of different issues…doesn’t mean I know about EVERY freaking thing, EVERY indigenous person between the Atlantic and Pacific do, nor do I care to. So, asking me about how I feel about Caledonia…well, I don’t really think about Caledonia. That ain’t my thing. If I don’t think about it that often, how can I prepare a written statement about my feelings about it. But I will say basically, whether people choose to believe or not….I AM NOT A COMMUNIST-SOCIALIST TERRORIST and I do not support violent protests, blockades or anything else that disrupts the normal flow of daily living. A Rebellion of Truth for me, means educating myself about the history, the present and the future about the lives of indigenous peoples. It means cutting through the busllshit and getting to the truth. It’s about words, and I’ve said more than once, words are my weapons…education and knowledge are my weapons. Don’t make assumptions about my person that are based on conjecture and out of context statements and/or harbouring on a word and twisting it’s definition and intent to hurt me. Some one on this site has crossed a line, they have crossed a line into my personal life and taken what was supposed to be a constructive conversation and turned into something much more serious… If that is not a direct result of hate…a hate that I don’t understand, then I don’t know what is, and I feel sorry for the person(s) who felt necessary to act cruelly and with vicious intent to impede my life and subsequently that of a 7-year old child. Good for you, you sure showed me!

I wish everyone out there the best, and only ask one more thing of you all: Take a moment to think of the nice native people who get on and off your planes. The group of Elders just wanting to go shopping...or the young men and women who got off and on the plane without incident. Why do people ALWAYS have to remember the negative and conveniently recall EVERY bad thing they can about anyone...? I still think for the most part, that I work in a decent industry and that most of the people I meet through work are good-hearted and open minded. Thanks anyways...

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:59 pm

Dex wrote:
What kind of activism motivates people to "empower" themselves through racism?

Gee, I don't know. Lets go ask ask any middle aged black man in Mississippi or Alabama. Slap ya back HO!

the_professor · Post by **the_professor** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:59 pm

xsbank wrote:Professor: This one,

"Are you trying to make a joke here? Did you see the web site she's associated with?

Sorry, but in this country we don't blockade railways or drag hydro towers across highways (and/or dress up like a ridiculous two-bit military outfit) when we're not happy with billions of dollars per year in handouts.

She is a hyprocrite who doesn't deserve the time of day from anyone on here. Nor do any of the people she associates with who share her approach to problem solving."

And you disagree with that? You condone the illegal actions taken by some Indians in this country, or the type of web site being discussed here. Sorry, can't help you then.

"How about huffing aerosol cans out of a paper bag in the back of the plane, causing the pilots to become concerned about an unusual smell in the cockpit.

True story. Sorry if you can't deal with the truth.

Why is it that countless immigrants come to this country every year with far less than the Indians are given by our governments, and yet somehow they are able to succeed?

I'm not the only one in this country asking these questions.

If your stomach is so weak and I ruined your breakfast, then I suggest you either grow up, or refrain from eating while reading about the reality of the topic at hand.

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:04 pm

flyinphil wrote:
Dex wrote:
What kind of activism motivates people to "empower" themselves through racism?
Gee, I don't know. Lets go ask ask any middle aged black man in Mississippi or Alabama. Slap ya back HO!

LOL

Doesn't make it right!!!!

Sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me!!!!

the_professor · Post by **the_professor** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:10 pm

xsbank wrote:Professor: This one,

Sorry, but in this country we don't blockade railways or drag hydro towers across highways (and/or dress up like a ridiculous two-bit military outfit) when we're not happy with billions of dollars per year in handouts.

Maybe you don't ever watch the news. What I wrote above is perfectly accurate. Do you want the budget figures for Indian and Northern Affairs as well?

A friend · Post by **A friend** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:36 pm

It is far too easy to cut and paste snipets and twist them to suit your purpose...sorry Cat this is not intended to discredit you, call you out or question your abilities past nor present it...just demostrating a point.

One of the closest brushes with death I ever had was on a medivac in very poor weather.....bottom line was we were told a baby was dying and unless we tried to fly it to a hospital it would die.

We went, the weather went all to hell on the return flight like it was forecast.....I managed to land in Fort George at night in a blinding snow storm in a X/wind so bad the airplane slid sideways off the runway and needed a bull dozer the next morning to get it back on the runway.

The baby had nothing wrong with it as far as the hospital was concerned

That damm Indian baby and its mother... if it had not been for them the aircraft never would have gone off the runway...it wasn't skippers fault, pilot decision making or anything else, it was abuse of the system by the natives that caused the accident. Hell I learned something new today, I didn't realize that the natives could simply pick up the phone and order up an aircraft to take them to town. I always thought a medical professional made that determination. Wouldn't it be nice if there was some other way to move people with medical conditions out of the north besides aircraft? Is it only natives that get concerned about there babies and take them to the hospital only to find out that in the end they were okay? I bet none of the white people on this board have ever taken their children to a hospital out of fear something was terribly wrong only to be told everything is fine. The difference most likely is that you were able to simply jump into your car or truck and take a 10 minute drive for the 4 hour wait. We should also be impressed with either Cats abilities to aquire a medical degree somewhere between his pre-flight and his runway excursion or his extreme compassion...so much so that he went to consult with the medical professionals to determine everything turned out okay for the child.

Shazam...a quick cut and paste, a couple statements and its now the coin is flipped and its now something completley different and pushing the other guy to the defensive. Avcanada 101

SYT_YYZ · Post by **SYT_YYZ** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:50 pm

DMH wrote:Let’s be honest. Before anyone started reading this discussion thread, everyone thought they were pretty open-minded…but it would seem from a great deal of the posts and personal attacks geared towards a person NONE of you truly understand or know, many have proven otherwise. I have seen GRAND leaps of assumption concerning my person and politics…and for what??? To discredit me, make me look bad and therefore, it seems, to be able to quietly sweep the REAL issues under the rug.

You came here to try and and get us closed minded thinkers to open our minds more. Well Deanna, even if you see many of us as closed minded, we are not stupid. We ARE going to question someones credibility before we start basing any changes of thought on what they say. If you dont check your sources you would be an idiot. Why is it any different for us?

We are not sweeping the NO ONE has tried to sweep issues under the rug. ending this thread / web site would be doing that. (something that only you thus far tried at one time to do).

You think we are sweeping issues under the rug? How so? We are simply bringing up what we feel some of the REAL issues for us. Why is it if its not real to you its not important? We have tried to discuss many things that are REAL issues. Just as YOU have said, NONE of us know you. Why would you expect our issues to mirror yours, or be on the same side of the paradigm?

DMH wrote:How utterly ridiculous that I have been deemed a communist-socialist-terrorist! This is surreal. I’ll be honest again, because I haven’t an issue being honest. I chose to write on this forum because I thought it was important to initiate dialogue among people who seemingly know NOTHING about one another, and by doing so, perhaps bridge a gap that is long overdue. I DIDN’T CALL ANYONE RACIST. I referred to the content and some of the terminology as such and DISRESPECTFUL.

Call me stupid, but isnt the title of this thread "in response to racist posts.." not "in response to DISRESPECTFUL posts?"

DMH wrote:My point from go, was to have people THINK BEFORE THEY SPEAK…that is think about how others perceive the words they type, the ideas they project. I sure have gotten a lesson there on items that are years old... I’ve taken steps as a result to repair. And I’m okay with admitting error, I’m okay with appearing foolish… as long as there are people out there that can at the least admit they’ve learned something too! …and not that I’m communist-socialist terrorist! PLEASE! GIVE YOUR HEADS A SHAKE! GET UP FROM YOUR PC’S, TAKE A WALK, INHALE SOME OXYGEN, GET THE BRAIN FUNCTIONING AT FULL CAPAPCITY, and you’ll realize the absolute stupidity of these accusations.

You want us to "think about how others perceive the words they type, the ideas they project"...
Well think about it... from your words, some people have drawn certain conclusions about you. Be they words here, or words you have posted else where. Perhaps try taking your own advice. Take some responsibility in what words you type and the ideas they have to some people obviously projected.

DMH wrote:Most of the people who read or participated in this discussion think they are better than me, think they are better than the guy next door…their bosses, they are of the opinion that they are never wrong and everything they say is right.

MOST?? really. I dont think anyone here has said they are always right or that they are never wrong.. I havent seen one shread of this being said. Who has implied they are better than their bosses or the guy next door?
You are being highly hypocritical. You have spent this post making statements about us that suggest that you believe YOURSELF to be right /smarter than us, such as:

DMH wrote: I have this to say about individuals like this: You are NOT open-minded, you are not as smart as you think you are.

Let's continue...

DMH wrote:I’ve got one last thing to say on this subject: IDEAS HAVE CONSEQUENCES…but they can have good consequences. So, take the discussion idea I offered you, grab hold of it, and if you do this…well you just might one day become the open-minded person you think are.

Do you not see that the street is both ways. Many of us find you very closed minded as well.. Yet you feel that you are open minded. You have not tried to understand our concerns whatsoever.. You ignored most of them and suggested we should only remember the good things..(this is how you finished this post). Why is it that we are to turn a blind eye to the issues that are real for us, remembering only the good, but supposed to hear from you how bad we have treated your people for centuries. Isnt this a double standard? why would you think this woudnt offend some of us?

DMH wrote:Free yourself from the ugly ideas that have controlled you a great portion of your lives and see how great that freedom feels.

How can you say this when you told me that the reason people dont leave their reserves has so much to do with their ideas about how the white man will treat them? Is your people's prejudgement that white men are all racist not ugly too? Many of us live our lives, it is your people YOU claim are not living their lives freely, and allowing great deals of their lives, if not their entire lives, being controlled by these ugly ideas about us. remember ?? you said "Now as far as why indigenous peoples remain on-reserve.... ..... Several things immediately come to mind…Fear. Fear of judgment by an overly judgmental society."

DMH wrote: . So many through this discussion want to LABEL…that is part of the problem.

like above when you say

DMH wrote:Most of the people who read or participated in this discussion think they are better than me, think they are better than the guy next door…their bosses, they are of the opinion that they are never wrong and everything they say is right.

DMH wrote:There is a lot of self-righteousness floating around here…and the belief that this is YOUR world by some…It’s time to put away the busllshit. The ridiculous attacks geared at hurting one another. It’s time to be real people and put aside the LABELS, the ASSUMPTIONS, the ACTIONS that make people enemies and divide everyone with good intentions. Bottom line, we share the planet, we share occupations, cities, towns and …seats on airplanes. Let’s impose injustices together. We’ve all failed in this discussion so far….I have failed, everyone has failed because no one opposed the hate, the ignorance, the meanness, the vulgarity…we all just perpetuated it. For that, I’m sick, and sorry.

Have you not read a word of this thread?? several people question some of what you say, did it not occur to you that it is becuase we are trying to learn??? If we thought there was nothing to be learned this post would not be 12 pages.

Also you said NO ONE oppesed the hate?? what about XSBANK, Sulako, etc. Plenty have agreed that it needs to stop. You ignore the good and only see the bad.. something you accuse us of doing? again i find this hypocritical statement offensive.

DMH wrote:So, asking me about how I feel about Caledonia…well, I don’t really think about Caledonia. That ain’t my thing. If I don’t think about it that often, how can I prepare a written statement about my feelings about it. But I will say basically, whether people choose to believe or not….I AM NOT A COMMUNIST-SOCIALIST TERRORIST and I do not support violent protests, blockades or anything else that disrupts the normal flow of daily living.

So read up and comment... Why do you say we swept issues under the rug?? this is a real issue. Why because it "aint your thing" should YOU be allowed to sweep it under the rug. 15 mins of reading and you could have a pretty basic scoop... but you just used it as an oppourtunity to comment on what you are or arnt, and side stepped it.

You say you want to generate conversation, thought, and have people learn something, but an issue for someone who very much has tried to do this with you was brought up and you are errogant enough that you could not take the time to read and think of something to say about it. THis is extremely contradictory especially when you continue on to say

DMH wrote:A Rebellion of Truth for me, means educating myself about the history, the present and the future about the lives of indigenous peoples. It means cutting through the busllshit and getting to the truth.

Cat is trying to be kind and give you oppourtunity to respond this this, and you just say its not your thing and talk about yourself? How terribly snobish of you to determine that this is not one of the REAL ISSUES to be discussed or used.

Almost done I promise...

DMH wrote:Some one on this site has crossed a line, they have crossed a line into my personal life and taken what was supposed to be a constructive conversation and turned into something much more serious… If that is not a direct result of hate…a hate that I don’t understand, then I don’t know what is, and I feel sorry for the person(s) who felt necessary to act cruelly and with vicious intent to impede my life and subsequently that of a 7-year old child. Good for you, you sure showed me!

This is pathetic for you to bring up how we have somehow wronged you and your 7 year old. YOU WANTED PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR NAMES, so why are you now mad that YOUR posting has gotten you into trouble??
IT HAS BEEN MADE CLEAR BY YOUR FRIEND:

Her employer has suspended her for a violation of their computer use policy by sending an email to the webmaster of this site and for visiting and posting on this website using a company computer. My understanding is that she is to report back to work on Tuesday at which point her employer will render their decision on whether to terminate her employment. Grant it she put herself out there and signed her posts…knowing Deanna I would expect nothing less, the website is widely read by most employees of this company. Her fate does not rest on the commentary or content she provided on this web site; rather it was for sending an email to the webmaster of this site and posting on it from a company computer.

So your potential loss of job HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE WHO CALLED... It was not me i can assure you. I did not even vist your site, I figure from what was said about it here it was not worth it.

You are the one who suggested that if you should post why not post and be brave enough to say who you are... why then if your employer has seen this site or any of your actions, are you blaming us now?

again it is explained clearly, it is your violation of the company policies that has you in trouble, not our posts or yours, so why do you care if your boss has seen them?

It is not our responsibility to make sure YOU post from an APPROPRIATE LOCATION. I feel sorry for your seven year old, that her mother was so irresponsible as to do this posting / emailing on company time and the risk of a job, that obviously affects the child...

Dex · Post by **Dex** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:57 pm

DMH wrote: I’ve taken steps as a result to repair. And I’m okay with admitting error, I’m okay with appearing foolish… as long as there are people out there that can at the least admit they’ve learned something too!

Why must your admission of error come with a condition? Why can't you take responsibility for your own actions?

DMH wrote: Most of the people who read or participated in this discussion think they are better than me, think they are better than the guy next door…their bosses, they are of the opinion that they are never wrong and everything they say is right.
...........

It would appear you you likely have a self image problem.

DMH wrote: Now before I go…because I am an educated indigenous woman, who does know a lot about a lot of different issues…doesn’t mean I know about EVERY freaking thing, EVERY indigenous person between the Atlantic and Pacific do, nor do I care to. So, asking me about how I feel about Caledonia…well, I don’t really think about Caledonia. That ain’t my thing. If I don’t think about it that often, how can I prepare a written statement about my feelings about it. But I will say basically, whether people choose to believe or not….I AM NOT A COMMUNIST-SOCIALIST TERRORIST and I do not support violent protests, blockades or anything else that disrupts the normal flow of daily living. A Rebellion of Truth for me, means educating myself about the history, the present and the future about the lives of indigenous peoples. It means cutting through the busllshit and getting to the truth. It’s about words, and I’ve said more than once, words are my weapons…education and knowledge are my weapons. Don’t make assumptions about my person that are based on conjecture and out of context statements and/or harbouring on a word and twisting it’s definition and intent to hurt me. Some one on this site has crossed a line, they have crossed a line into my personal life and taken what was supposed to be a constructive conversation and turned into something much more serious… If that is not a direct result of hate…a hate that I don’t understand, then I don’t know what is, and I feel sorry for the person(s) who felt necessary to act cruelly and with vicious intent to impede my life and subsequently that of a 7-year old child. Good for you, you sure showed me!

I do not condone bringing your employment into this. But this is the price you pay for being provocative (your intro post and reporting to Google AdSense for example), and not being anonymous. Doesn't justify their actions but is foreseeable that someone who posts here would react. This would happen at most other Web Boards let me assure you.

This harbouring on one word you mention, would that word be "white-minded"? Can you not see this word is racist? Could you elaborate on which context and definition you used this word which would preclude it from being a word that describes the mental/thinking state of a race? Even if your intent was describing a portion of the white population it would still be racist.

Since you are so proud of your heritage and wish to help empower individuals in your community/race, may i suggest a different approach. Spend more time on the merits of the community/race/tribe you propose instead of pointing fingers at others to motivate the herd. Spend much more time pointing to the role models in the community/race/tribe. This strategy is alot more difficult but the results will be more rewarding. Feeling empowered through the contempt of others does not bring lasting rewards. Taking responsibility for ones own actions will. Good luck with your endeavors.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:20 pm

Professor, you miss the whole point by a nautical mile: How about the rock band I flew around who smoked up in the back of the plane and I had to get them to stop because I was about to shoot a single-pilot approach to mins - I didn't say all white musicians are stoners; Have you ever flown a plane-load of fishermen to the Charlottes? They stand around like dorks while you unload the airplane and re-load all the fish they've killed - I haven't said anything about lazy rich white fishermen; The millions of dollars in hand-outs going to the construction firms building the Winter Olympics in Vancouver - did I complain about the huge amount of money that is being targeted to the rich which otherwise could go to hospitals or housing, that the poor will only benefit by getting cleaning jobs and selling Pepsi to those who can afford tickets?

Are you starting to get it yet, Sunshine?

And whoever blew the whistle on Deanna, you're lower than a snake. I'm completely disgusted that anyone on this site would do something so mean-spirited. Supercilious, self-righteous weasel. Somebody mentioned a playground mentality? Not even close - kindergarten at most. Deanna, if the doorknob who called your boss has a name, pm me and I'll make it public.

And Dex, that comment about it being Deanna's fault that someone blew the whistle on her is beneath contempt.

"I do not condone bringing your employment into this. But this is the price you pay for being provocative (your intro post and reporting to Google AdSense for example), and not being anonymous. Doesn't justify their actions but is foreseeable that someone who posts here would react. This would happen at most other Web Boards let me assure you." Dex, you are full of sh*t.

So the penalty for being provocative is to lose your job? I guess I better sign up for EI then. What's next? Burn down her house, Blow up her car? Send her to Syria or Guantanamo? Another bloody good reason to stay anonymous when there are vindictive low-life losers out there who will use any lame excuse to damage you.

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:37 pm

xsbank wrote:And whoever blew the whistle on Deanna, you're lower than a snake. I'm completely disgusted that anyone on this site would do something so mean-spirited. Supercilious, self-righteous weasel. Somebody mentioned a playground mentality? Not even close - kindergarten at most. Deanna, if the doorknob who called your boss has a name, pm me and I'll make it public.

And Dex, that comment about it being Deanna's fault that someone blew the whistle on her is beneath contempt.

"I do not condone bringing your employment into this. But this is the price you pay for being provocative (your intro post and reporting to Google AdSense for example), and not being anonymous. Doesn't justify their actions but is foreseeable that someone who posts here would react. This would happen at most other Web Boards let me assure you." Dex, you are full of sh*t.

So the penalty for being provocative is to lose your job? I guess I better sign up for EI then. What's next? Burn down her house, Blow up her car? Send her to Syria or Guantanamo? Another bloody good reason to stay anonymous when there are vindictive low-life losers out there who will use any lame excuse to damage you.

While there are issues that require cooperation and understanding on both sides, I still have hope that in my life, there will be a resolve to the Aboriginal issues the plague Canada.

XS, excellent comments.

CD · Post by CD » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:42 pm

Wow...

This thread sure has gone sideways - and over a cliff as well, it seems. It is beyond me why some members of the community here feel the need to be rude and disrespectful and it's a shame that so many discussions deteriorate in a similar manner. This is certainly not the first time that a "mob mentality" has shown itself through vitriolic comments directed at other members.

I am not as eloquent as some others here so I generally "listen" to the discussions as they go back and forth. Sometimes I agree - sometimes I don't. Occaisionally, I learn something new and valuable. However, I always try to be respectful of others when I do participate in a discussion. That is not easy to accomplish with the written word as so much can be taken out of context due to the impersonal nature of writing.

I believe that DMH wrote earlier that, "People were people ... They were friends or they were strangers." Another view is that strangers are simply friends that we have not yet met. I honestly believe this and it is how I try to conduct myself.

Am I being innocent and naïve? Perhaps. However, it is a choice that I have made and try to aspire to in my life.

For those members who seem fixated on the negative, perhaps we should also look for the positive - there are many examples out there.

Nk'Mip Cellars
Osoyoos Indian Band

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:47 pm

I had expected just such a post, A Friend.

Now let me add a few other facts about that flight.

We, my crew and I spent several hours trying to decide if it was worth the risk involved to make the flight....we managed to get a confirmation that the babys condition was possibly terminal.

We were only airborne for about ten minutes when we got a relay through FSS that the village in question wanted to know if their grocery's and freight were on board.

When we arrived the airplane was met by about ten to fifteen people in a couple of freighter canoes and almost all of them promptly found seats in the airplane....I asked the nurse why there were so many people going out with the baby and she said that seeing as the airplane was there why not take the passengers.

I kicked them all off the airplane except the mother and the nurse.

We lifted off the water just as darkness set in and by the time I arrived at Fort George the weather had done exactly as forecast high winds and heavy snow...I made several approaches before I was able to land and ended up sliding off the side of the runway stuck in the soft ground.

Your snide remarks about me being a DR. etc and going to the trouble of finding out about the baby is pathetic...of course I asked about the baby, why would I not after taking such a risk because I was under the impression it would have died if I had not made the trip.....

By the way that was supposed to have been a sked flight but had been canceled due to weather...until I made the decision to fly a medivac.

I can not comment on if there is still abuse of medivac's now but rest assured when I was flying the north it was a common practice to ask for one when the weather had grounded regular skeds.

Any northern pilots want to comment as to whether or not this still happens today?

Yes, I made a poor decision to have flown when the weather was forecast to be so bad, but I truly felt I could save a life and that I could do it without killing my FO and myself...which I did...just barely.

But I did learn a lesson about decision making and medivacs.

Anyhow I've had enough of this subject because we are not solving the problem that is Indian Reservations and the sub human conditions in which many live.