Recent WestJet ALPA video for all pilots

[RippleRock]

DON'T ENGAGE THE TROLLS!

They don't understand our history, our contribution and are interested in "dumbing down" the profession by belittling you and what you do. The trolls on this forum have their own agenda. Nothing else matters. Their success in the industry depends on the "crap compensation model" for pilots. They know it, and you rising up are a DIRECT THREAT. Unlike pilots, they know they are "replaceable chaff" and they may be on the chopping block should the company look for cuts elsewhere.

Canadian pilots have been working a a discount for far too long. We are being left in the dust by our American peers. Same aircraft, same routes same airspace, same passengers in many instances. You know the sacrifice you made to get to this point, you know the cost. Don't stand for "crap compensation" one more day.

Use the "blocking feature" to silence idiots like McKinley. Her only purpose is to sap your resolve to save their own hide when the Corp comes after other employee groups because YOU CHOSE to say NO MORE.

HOLD THE LINE.

[lostaviator]

Waiting for McKinley to be toasted and put on the “not in my jump seat” list

Statistically you’re more likely to die in a vehicle crash than an airline crash. So by that logic pay the truckers and everyone who drives cars more than pilots in the name of safety.

I can't decide if you guys are trolls or just someone who got a pfo. Either way, as I said. There are 10 year fo's bringing home 1500 dollar paychecks. Total compensation is skewed because it includes "retirement" benefits. Benefits cost is enormous. Commuters lost their free flights to base last contract. We have people flying the same airplanes and the same routes with lower pay and more days of work. We have a retention problem. I'm not sure why you have issue with unionized employees trying to improve their working conditions but I hope we are successful and I hope we set a standard that will improve your situation if you too are a pilot.

That’s unacceptable. With that said, it’s not like that money isn’t benefiting you or the pilot group. - it’s your retirement.

Why not get a second job / side hustle?

The industry / economy went through COVID where we spent tons of money and shut down the economy for really next to nothing… people are cash strapped as is.

This strike will only drive the few customers away we have not to mention the public optics.

The public isn’t in favor of this strike and is tired of everything increasing in cost.. from the public’s standpoint, unions have destroyed WJ.

Alpa isn’t making this case well either … if there are 10 year Fo’s making $1500 this should be brought up and brought to the forefront ..

This strike is totally tone deaf.

Second job? Have you heard of Colgan Air. We have a legal responsibility to show up fit for work.

People are actually not cash strapped. The household savings rate is currently 6%. It was 3% pre-covid. Source Stats Can.

Without an actual poll or survey, you can't say the public is against the strike. Yes people flying this week are. But the majority of feedback seems to be in support of the workers.

The fare portion of an airline ticket has not kept up with inflation. It sucks that things are expensive as they are, but why should this one industry be the one to ignore inflationary price pressure? There has to be a point where the price point adjusts to match the actual demand level.

[RippleRock]

Why are you engaging this McKinley fool? Are you trying to justify your position, because you aren't certain of it?

You know she's either jealous, a Management hack or someone who is directly affected by a strike. She may even be a pilot who just didn't plan financially for a work stoppage, and will cut off her nose to spite her own face.

Some people you just have to drag through a strike kicking and biting. Pure and simple. All pilots will benefit in the end.

They have to live with their opposition to it. We will remember those who oppose us.

[lostaviator]

Why are you engaging this McKinley fool? Are you trying to justify your position, because you aren't certain of it?

You know she's either jealous, a Management hack or someone who is directly affected by a strike. She may even be a pilot who just didn't plan financially for a work stoppage, and will cut off her nose to spite her own face.

Some people you just have to drag through a strike kicking and biting. Pure and simple. All pilots will benefit in the end.

They have to live with their opposition to it. We will remember those who oppose us.

I have a few reasons for engaging and none of them have anything to do with my position (highly supportive).

The main reason is that I do not agree with brushing dissenting opinions aside or ignoring them. This practice is a growing concern in current times and I do not think it furthers us as a society. Simply put, I do not agree with cancel (or blocking) culture. All this does is cause personal opinions to be repressed and grow stronger. Although unlikely in this case, something said in an exchange might just change or soften someone's view.

Another reason is that this is a public forum. Creeped by anyone with an internet connection including the media. If we allow these people fighting against us to be the most prominent voice, we aren't doing ourselves any favors. You can block them all you want, but the anti-pilot BS they post online is still visible to everyone else. You might not see it anymore but curious onlookers google searching "westjet pilot strike" sure will.

Will McKinley or Accountant change their minds? No. I think that is certain. While one appears to be a pilot, it is pretty clear the other is embedded within wj management somewhere. But when they throw false claims out into the public about what pilots are fighting for in this country, I think it is important to offer another perspective.

Feel free to block me too if you disagree

[accountant]

I will change my mind when you give me a valid reason why you need significant raises, more so than any other group that is all asking for the same thing.

You haven't shown that. You've shown a general disdain for the public ("We can shut this down"). You've shown a general disdain for any opinion that doesn't match your position. You're playing like a typical right wing neo-con that is mad someone else sat down in your sandbox and asked if they could share your shovel to move things around.

You act like a massive increase to wages (among everything else) won't impact the average ticket buyer and only adds a few dollars. Sorry, but the math is there and you choose to ignore it. Insults are the only thing that grabs your attention sadly.

It's one thing to bargain for large increases when you're in a booming economy with record profits. It's another to bargain when you're coming out of a pandemic.

Go ahead, shut it down if you think that changes things. You've shown you don't care about public perception, nor anything other than yourselves. You could go to the table (and the public) with a reasonable proposal, like PSAC and CRA did and not have a long lasting strike or much ill will. You've chosen to be combatative and take the "We deserve Delta wages!" which really garners you no friends except in your pilot groups.

Go ahead, be grumpy that management pulled software access... that... let's face it... you'd use to look up who is trying to take seats to deny any "Scabs" access. That's not what's it's intended for. Good on them for shutting it down.

[lostaviator]

Ripplerock. Another follow up/answer to your point. The above reply is something not worthy of engaging with. It is pure emotion.

Hold the line.

[accountant]

"Hold the line!"

(aka, oh crap, we're losing momentum)

[wing'd]

"Hold the line!"

(aka, oh crap, we're losing momentum)

@accountant.

I cannot wait for this situation to conclude. I cannot wait for pilots to get paid what they’re worth

And when that happens, please do not disappear from this forum , keep that same energy, keep barking

[Canadaflyer46]

I will change my mind when you give me a valid reason why you need significant raises, more so than any other group that is all asking for the same thing.

You haven't shown that. You've shown a general disdain for the public ("We can shut this down"). You've shown a general disdain for any opinion that doesn't match your position. You're playing like a typical right wing neo-con that is mad someone else sat down in your sandbox and asked if they could share your shovel to move things around.

You act like a massive increase to wages (among everything else) won't impact the average ticket buyer and only adds a few dollars. Sorry, but the math is there and you choose to ignore it. Insults are the only thing that grabs your attention sadly.

It's one thing to bargain for large increases when you're in a booming economy with record profits. It's another to bargain when you're coming out of a pandemic.

Go ahead, shut it down if you think that changes things. You've shown you don't care about public perception, nor anything other than yourselves. You could go to the table (and the public) with a reasonable proposal, like PSAC and CRA did and not have a long lasting strike or much ill will. You've chosen to be combatative and take the "We deserve Delta wages!" which really garners you no friends except in your pilot groups.

Go ahead, be grumpy that management pulled software access... that... let's face it... you'd use to look up who is trying to take seats to deny any "Scabs" access. That's not what's it's intended for. Good on them for shutting it down.

Hahahaha. "Coming out of a pandemic". Man, WestJet used the pandemic to BUY ANOTHER AIRLINE! That's how flush with cash they are.
"The math is there". Ok then, let's see your math. Show us how increasing pilot salaries in Canada to US levels will render flying unaffordable. We're waiting.

[accountant]

"Hold the line!"

(aka, oh crap, we're losing momentum)

@accountant.

I cannot wait for this situation to conclude. I cannot wait for pilots to get paid what they’re worth

And when that happens, please do not disappear from this forum , keep that same energy, keep barking

You're worth a 4% raise to match inflation. Nothing more. When you get that, I can't wait for you to say all the posturing, bitching and complaining, calling the general public asshats, threatening your fellow pilots worth it.

If you get more, you're giving up elsewhere.

3 1/2 week strike.

(7% loss in annual wages, so takes you quite a while to recover with your small gains)....

See you after you're done caving.

[Mach1]

3: I will change my mind when you give me a valid reason why you need significant raises, more so than any other group that is all asking for the same thing.

4: You haven't shown that. You've shown a general disdain for the public ("We can shut this down"). You've shown a general disdain for any opinion that doesn't match your position. You're playing like a typical right wing neo-con that is mad someone else sat down in your sandbox and asked if they could share your shovel to move things around.

5: You act like a massive increase to wages (among everything else) won't impact the average ticket buyer and only adds a few dollars. Sorry, but the math is there and you choose to ignore it. Insults are the only thing that grabs your attention sadly.

6: It's one thing to bargain for large increases when you're in a booming economy with record profits. It's another to bargain when you're coming out of a pandemic.

7: Go ahead, shut it down if you think that changes things. You've shown you don't care about public perception, nor anything other than yourselves. You could go to the table (and the public) with a reasonable proposal, like PSAC and CRA did and not have a long lasting strike or much ill will. You've chosen to be combatative and take the "We deserve Delta wages!" which really garners you no friends except in your pilot groups.

8: Go ahead, be grumpy that management pulled software access... that... let's face it... you'd use to look up who is trying to take seats to deny any "Scabs" access. That's not what's it's intended for. Good on them for shutting it down.

1: You are a horrible person.

2: See #1.

3: You have been given reasons. You choose not to understand them. However, we are not asking anyone else to accept less so we can have more. Unlike the BOD and Executives of the company. You are owed no explanation and no apology for us asking to be paid market value and neither will be given.

4: No one has shown anything of the kind towards the public. Had the company negotiated in good faith, none of this would be occurring. Blaming the pilots for the mistakes of management is akin to blaming the passengers of the Titanic for hitting an iceberg.

5: We have the numbers. You don't.

6: See daily business news of record profits at all airlines around the world. If WJ is losing money, it's not because of the pilots, but it is because of the managers.

7: Thank you for your permission. We will. Quick question for you, when I am paying my mortgage or buying groceries, how much of a "Caring for the public" discount do I get? Additionally, I hope you are paid half as much as all the other "Accountants" you know... because you care about the people you really need to lead the charge on this.

8: One single tool in a whole tool chest. Not a big deal... we will know who the scabs are and we will treat them appropriately.

Lastly, because I really want to make your whole day. How much do you make? When was your last raise? How big was that raise? How much of it did you sacrifice for public perception? How many hours a day do you work for free? How many days a month are you away from your friends and family? If you make a mistake, how many people will you kill?

You really need some professional help with your anger issues. Even if you are a company shill, and I am certain you are, you have a level of anger and hatred about you that is unhealthy. Life is not well spent being angry about what your neighbour is doing or what they own. Live your own best life and if you want to make the "big pilot" bucks, flight school awaits you. Along with huge debt, a few (thankfully not 10 anymore) years in the north or some small community, a lot of physical labour and eventually a paycut to come work at an airline where you can hopefully make enough money in the last 15 years of your career to retire. Because... accounting doesn't seem to be your forte.

[Mach1]

You're worth a 4% raise to match inflation. Nothing more. When you get that, I can't wait for you to say all the posturing, bitching and complaining, calling the general public asshats, threatening your fellow pilots worth it.

If you get more, you're giving up elsewhere.

3 1/2 week strike.

(7% loss in annual wages, so takes you quite a while to recover with your small gains)....

See you after you're done caving.

This says it all. You are clueless about the state of the industry. Air Canada is hiring as many people as we have. Several airlines are starting up around the world, and the US is slowly opening the door to Canadian pilots because they've already empties Australia. If there's a 4% raise, there won't be anyone left to turn out the lights when WestJet closes because they will have no pilots. If it is that important to the executives at WJ to maintain their "power" that they burn the place to the ground, then it's not worth working there anyway. There are nothing but options now. What you fail to grasp is that we are trying to save the company from themselves. It is particularly difficult to run any airline (the core business) without pilots. That goes for AME's, dispatchers and a few other groups within the company. And the pilots are voting with their feet, en masse. Pay now. Pay later. So, here we are trying to drag our management into the present so that the company can continue to operate. But the place is infested with you. And that will be the death of this company. You. Not us.

[accountant]

Air Canada is hiring as many as you have, and even at 85% load factor is still running a loss. Sounds like a sound business practice to me!

You are being paid at market. The canadian market. Go work in the US and get US wages. Oh wait... the doors aren't open to you to do that. Funny how that works.

Go ahead, vote with your feet, disrupt the public, give up a few weeks of wages for tiny gains that mean nothing in the big picture.

If you were trying to save the company from themselves you would have published meaningful data on why your wage requests are fair.

When WS shuts down because Onex is tired of footing the bill and can take the tax writeoff to shield gains elsewhere you will flood the market and keep your wages in the same getter.

Carry on. "Hold the Line!"

[Canadaflyer46]

Air Canada is hiring as many as you have, and even at 85% load factor is still running a loss. Sounds like a sound business practice to me!

You are being paid at market. The canadian market. Go work in the US and get US wages. Oh wait... the doors aren't open to you to do that. Funny how that works.

Go ahead, vote with your feet, disrupt the public, give up a few weeks of wages for tiny gains that mean nothing in the big picture.

If you were trying to save the company from themselves you would have published meaningful data on why your wage requests are fair.

When WS shuts down because Onex is tired of footing the bill and can take the tax writeoff to shield gains elsewhere you will flood the market and keep your wages in the same getter.

Carry on. "Hold the Line!"

I was wondering how much longer it would take for the fear mongering ‘we’re gonna shut down/sell off the airline if you want a pay rise!’ to begin.
Onex would likely not base huge business decisions on the salaries of a particular employee group. If they want rid of owning an airline, they will get rid of it. ALPA have ran the numbers and as you were told before, even Delta wages would only add on a few bucks per flight ticket (which would then be passed on to the passenger). I am fully expecting WJ management to play the ‘Onex might shut down WJ for good’ card at some point soon so thanks for the reminder. If they choose to do that, and they may well do, it has nothing to do with pilot salaries increasing to industry standard.

[accountant]

Please show me the math how Delta wages (roughly 1.5x your current top end for their top end not including an extra 40% for currency conversion) would only add "a few dollars".

I already showed you how at minimum a 10% wage increase across the board to all groups would add at minimum 2.5-3% to ticket prices ---- the overwhelming majority of flights are not under $100 to justify your so called "couple dollars" to each ticket)

Obviously you need someone like me, and not your union to do basic math for you. Raising to delta like wages would add a *significant* impact to each ticket. You've all already proven you wouldn't believe it. Numerous could be produced and audited and you still wouldn't believe them.

They have far more ancillary and other revenues in their financials than AC and WS do.

Delta alone for Q1 - 10.4 Billing Passenger revenue. 1/2 of that related to "Main Cabin", remainder is "Premium Revenue, Loyalty and Travel related services".

Other Revenue - $2.1 Billion, including 700 mil related to frequent flyer programs, close to a billion from refining.

They are playing from an entirely different playing field, capitalized entirely differently and able to *support* those wages.

Ask for Delta revenues when we're at that point. You're no where close to working for a company capable of doing that. You have a hard enough time catering food for the Premium cabin on your 737s.

[Canadaflyer46]

Please show me the math how Delta wages (roughly 1.5x your current top end for their top end not including an extra 40% for currency conversion) would only add "a few dollars".

I already showed you how at minimum a 10% wage increase across the board to all groups would add at minimum 2.5-3% to ticket prices ---- the overwhelming majority of flights are not under $100 to justify your so called "couple dollars" to each ticket)

Obviously you need someone like me, and not your union to do basic math for you. Raising to delta like wages would add a *significant* impact to each ticket. You've all already proven you wouldn't believe it. Numerous could be produced and audited and you still wouldn't believe them.

They have far more ancillary and other revenues in their financials than AC and WS do.

Delta alone for Q1 - 10.4 Billing Passenger revenue. 1/2 of that related to "Main Cabin", remainder is "Premium Revenue, Loyalty and Travel related services".

Other Revenue - $2.1 Billion, including 700 mil related to frequent flyer programs, close to a billion from refining.

They are playing from an entirely different playing field, capitalized entirely differently and able to *support* those wages.

Ask for Delta revenues when we're at that point. You're no where close to working for a company capable of doing that. You have a hard enough time catering food for the Premium cabin on your 737s.

I 100% agree with you on this. Our service level is horrendous and embarrassing. That is WJ’s problem to solve, every other airline manages it. Perhaps if the BOD didn’t keep a revolving door open of execs to come and go with huge payouts we’d be in a better spot for consistency and reliability in our product. And while they’re at it, if they’re so concerned about affordability of Canadian air travel, why not fight with as much tenacity at having AIFs/Nav Canada fees lowered as they show at fighting salary increases of their employees.

[McKinley]

Please show me the math how Delta wages (roughly 1.5x your current top end for their top end not including an extra 40% for currency conversion) would only add "a few dollars".

I already showed you how at minimum a 10% wage increase across the board to all groups would add at minimum 2.5-3% to ticket prices ---- the overwhelming majority of flights are not under $100 to justify your so called "couple dollars" to each ticket)

Obviously you need someone like me, and not your union to do basic math for you. Raising to delta like wages would add a *significant* impact to each ticket. You've all already proven you wouldn't believe it. Numerous could be produced and audited and you still wouldn't believe them.

They have far more ancillary and other revenues in their financials than AC and WS do.

Delta alone for Q1 - 10.4 Billing Passenger revenue. 1/2 of that related to "Main Cabin", remainder is "Premium Revenue, Loyalty and Travel related services".

Other Revenue - $2.1 Billion, including 700 mil related to frequent flyer programs, close to a billion from refining.

They are playing from an entirely different playing field, capitalized entirely differently and able to *support* those wages.

Ask for Delta revenues when we're at that point. You're no where close to working for a company capable of doing that. You have a hard enough time catering food for the Premium cabin on your 737s.

I 100% agree with you on this. Our service level is horrendous and embarrassing. That is WJ’s problem to solve, every other airline manages it. Perhaps if the BOD didn’t keep a revolving door open of Mc-Execs to come and go with huge payouts we’d be in a better spot for consistency and reliability in our product. And while they’re at it, if they’re so concerned about affordability of Canadian air travel, why not fight with as much tenacity at having AIFs/Nav Canada fees lowered as they show at fighting salary increases of their employees.

I actually agree on this…Compensation packages for ATC/ Nav Canada employees is wild.

Also the cost, vs service is out of touch..

With that said, good luck at changing that system.

Taking ownership in our companies / industry is important… we’re lucky to work in this profession with the working conditions and benefits we have. Why not focus on the good we have opposed to the negative ?

[rookiepilot]

Accountant:

I’m a business guy myself, not a professional pilot, but hit the road. Seriously.

You’re not welcome here.

I despise everything I’ve read about Onex and what they have done to WJ.

I won’t fly your airline at any price. Ever.

I think you despise both your customers and employees

[mmm...bacon]

The average salary is 82,000 ( VERY reasonable) given that that flying is an unskilled labor job. it looks like the top of the pile is around 200-300,000.

We aren’t police officers, psychologists, brain surgeons, professors, paramedics, air traffic controllers doctors, plumbers, electricians, carpenters, tree fallers or oil and gas workers as much as we want to be. Our jobs are largely automated, require ZERO skill, no university, no IQ test, zero trade school. Nada.

And yes, I’m aware we require flight training. To this I say, training can be done in a very short time period and largely everyone passes..

Unskilled? No, dude, that's ditch-diggers, 7-11 Clerks and the like. i won't dispute that we might be labourers (but doesn't eveyone swap their time and labour for money, in the long run?) but we are most certainly not unskilled..

Correct, we're pilots, and we *should* be mentioned in the same breath as all of those other careers that you've mentioned (oil and gas workers? You mean rig-pigs??). Sure, 'everyone passes' training at a flight school, but then the culling of the herd begins: people who are so anti-social or lack the people skills to work well with others; people who can fly an aeroplane, but lack the finesse to do so smoothly, lack the CPU power to do so intelligently, or lack the temperament to do so calmly; people who can't/won't study hard enough to learn and integrate SOPs, systems or new information; people who, for whatever reason, have convinced a supervisor/manager somewhere along the line that they are not suited to flying an aeroplane for said manager..
And so, who are you left with? Well, at the end, it would seem to me that you're getting a highly trained, skilled, and experienced, technologically adept person who is a benefit to any company - not simply a cost on a balance sheet. Although I'm not at WJ, I *think* that's what the pilots there are on about...

[Mach1]

Air Canada is hiring as many as you have, and even at 85% load factor is still running a loss. Sounds like a sound business practice to me!

You are being paid at market. The canadian market. Go work in the US and get US wages. Oh wait... the doors aren't open to you to do that. Funny how that works.

Go ahead, vote with your feet, disrupt the public, give up a few weeks of wages for tiny gains that mean nothing in the big picture.

If you were trying to save the company from themselves you would have published meaningful data on why your wage requests are fair.

When WS shuts down because Onex is tired of footing the bill and can take the tax writeoff to shield gains elsewhere you will flood the market and keep your wages in the same getter.

Carry on. "Hold the Line!"

Deflect. Avoid. Attack. The tools of a sociopath, a troll and management megaphones.... No one here takes you seriously. You are just entertainment for the day because you are incapable of having a conversation.

@#$! the Canadian market. I am worth not one penny less than any other pilot in the world. Go away now.

[flyinhigh]

I already showed you how at minimum a 10% wage increase across the board to all groups would add at minimum 2.5-3% to ticket prices

Can confirm that this is a scared manager. I heard this line numerous times fromWestjet management the last round of negotiations, while I was in the room.

Apparently they think that if you pay one group X, another group automatically gets the same.

[quote=McKinley post_id=<a href="tel:1257469">1257469</a> time=<a href="tel:1684038525">1684038525</a> user_id=50524]
The average salary is 82,000 ( VERY reasonable) given that that flying is an unskilled labor job. it looks like the top of the pile is around 200-300,000.

We aren’t police officers, psychologists, brain surgeons, professors, paramedics, air traffic controllers doctors, plumbers, electricians, carpenters, tree fallers or oil and gas workers as much as we want to be. Our jobs are largely automated, require ZERO skill, no university, no IQ test, zero trade school. Nada.

And yes, I’m aware we require flight training. To this I say, training can be done in a very short time period and largely everyone passes..

[/quote]

Seriously, you think someone who goes through training every 6 months, 2.5 month training courses, and spent years perfecting their craft is worth less than someone with a chain saw (guess what, I was in logging it wasn’t hard).

[goingnowherefast]

The wealth gap is growing. Executive salary is significantly higher in relation to the front line worker than it used to be. Does an airline CEO really need to make 100x more than an airline pilot? Does a grocery store CEO really need to make 250x more than a stock boy? Does an oil company CEO need to make 600x more than a gas station clerk?

Worker productivity in relation to their salary is at an all time high. How many seats in a 737-200 vs a 737-8? Which one burns more fuel? WJ pilots today fly more passengers for less total cost than they did at the beginning, or even 10 years ago. They are simply more productive. If I'm worth more to the company, than pay me more?

Organized labour everywhere is out to correct those issues. ALPA, PSAC, etc. WJ pilots win big, carpenter's unions look for similar percentage gains, grocery store clerk unions look for the same percentage gains. Hell, low level management often has their pay loosely tied to the workers they manage. Rising tide floats all boats, some just take a little longer to get off the bottom.

[McKinley]

The wealth gap is growing. Executive salary is significantly higher in relation to the front line worker than it used to be. Does an airline CEO really need to make 100x more than an airline pilot? Does a grocery store CEO really need to make 250x more than a stock boy? Does an oil company CEO need to make 600x more than a gas station clerk?

Worker productivity in relation to their salary is at an all time high. How many seats in a 737-200 vs a 737-8? Which one burns more fuel? WJ pilots today fly more passengers for less total cost than they did at the beginning, or even 10 years ago. They are simply more productive. If I'm worth more to the company, than pay me more?

Organized labour everywhere is out to correct those issues. ALPA, PSAC, etc. WJ pilots win big, carpenter's unions look for similar percentage gains, grocery store clerk unions look for the same percentage gains. Hell, low level management often has their pay loosely tied to the workers they manage. Rising tide floats all boats, some just take a little longer to get off the bottom.

Yes. However to demand a pay increase we need to demonstrate being deserving of that raise.

Simply showing up is not enough.

[altiplano]

Demonstrating yourself as "deserving" means shit.

You could be the most productive pilot the ever was, have a superpower that cut fuel burns and boosted payload and these executives would just use you up.

As had been stated, we are more productive than ever as group, computerized rostering, lighter aircraft, carrying more people, more payload, faster, further, safer, and we are paid less in terms of comparative and absolute inflation adjusted wages.

You don't deserve it. You know your worth. You demand it.

That's all there is to it.

[McKinley]

Demonstrating yourself as "deserving" means shit.

You could be the most productive pilot the ever was, have a superpower that cut fuel burns and boosted payload and these executives would just use you up.

As had been stated, we are more productive than ever as group, computerized rostering, lighter aircraft, carrying more people, more payload, faster, further, safer, and we are paid less in terms of comparative and absolute inflation adjusted wages.

You don't deserve it. You know your worth. You demand it.

That's all there is to it.

What do you view as a reasonable salary ?

The flip side : increased automation, decreased duty times, employee benefits, increased safety, decreased days worked, decreased experience in the flight deck, decreased educational requirements. ( pilots are largely uneducated - they don’t require education such as Degrees )