I believe that's correct.Campanola wrote:Ok I see. 703 is 60 minutes with all engines operative and 705 is 60 minutes (or 120 min ETOPS) with one engine inop. So a PC12 is 703 and may have an Op Spec for an alternate at 60 min with the engine running normally. Right?
Single Engine Hard IFR
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WOW, 1/2 theIQof FKNCabbage, I just bet you are a true gift to the occupation!1/2pV2aCL wrote:Ya, flyinphil, Lindbergh had nothing to do with shaping present day aviation...idiot. Grow some balls, my family might fly with you one day (I hope to god you are an F/O if that happens). I've been flying S/E IFR from many years, and my pax have zero problem with it. Oddly enough, I've never have a problem at 100', or at any altitude, in a single engine Pratt (and piston) after many thousands of hours. And if I did, I would deal with it, instead of being frightened, as you clearly are. Pax (it's your job to inform them), as well as pilots, are fully aware of potential "risks" of any flight, single or multi. Find another occupation if you are a puss. I here producing boxes is very safe. Like I said before...meow.
There is a huge difference to an exploratory flight and safe reliable public transportation. I can assure you your family will never fly with me. If they do with you, I'll send some flowers. Nobody here is frightened, just managing risk which is something you obviously know nothing about. I state your comment on "Lindy" is a poor one and that makes me a "puss"? I "here" spelling and basic literacy are very safe as well. You would be well advised to give it a try.Are you suggesting that the "big balls" theory should replace common sense and risk management Mr Kule? Nothing sanctamonious about my comment at all. I think you also jumped to an incorrect conclusion. Maybe if I throw a few of thesetrey kule wrote:Clunkster: "made by Lucas"" I dont suppose there are alot on this forum that would appreciate the meaning of that......
Flyin Phil, the sanctamonious wroteJust to clarify, did you mean warn them about the big balls or the fact the crew was drunk?Never mind warning passengers about the aircraft, warn them about the crew!
I think a few people who jump on some of these statements need to develop a sense of humor and see them for what they are.
Besides, why let fear and common sense hold you back.
at the end of comments you will be a little more informed? Happy?BTW, why would people not have heard of the most unreliable electrical components ever made? Or were you justifying your superior life experience...
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Copying me might be the desire to be like me...Me too I vote Winspan needs a new avitar, Cat clearly had it first, I think Joe animated it for you didnt he?
...But in this case I doubt it because I use common sense and experience when I examine a risk factor before flight...not " balls ."
Furthermore it excludes a lot of female pilots here who by accident of birth don't have balls, I also believe in equality.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
They don't always have a "choice" ... in that if you are on your way to work, and you don't go because you have concerns about the safety of the flight ... you face the same potential retribution as the pilot who makes the same decision. You, as the passenger, may not have the knowledge to make a "safe" choice.CID wrote:Well that's the point really. Widow can speak to this issue. I think the public has a certain expectation that as consumers there's a certain level of safety implied when you pay to get on an airplane.Well they don't have to get on if they don't want......
There are some amongst my contacts who believe it is wrong to carry any passengers in any single engine a/c.
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Naw... he just may still be a little upset because I said turbines were for sissies and real pilots fly big radial's....
Maybe he took it literally?
Maybe he took it literally?
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
I heard that the FAA is about to certifiy boobs for SEIFR. So it will be balls or boobs. Single ball or boob operation will not be autorised because of the lack of redondancy.Cat Driver wrote: Furthermore it excludes a lot of female pilots here who by accident of birth don't have balls, I also believe in equality.
Re: Single Engine Hard IFR
Ok, so let's say on departure you notice abnormal engine indications. Your engine has not failed. Yet. But it's the only engine you have. Would the most prudent action not be to turn around and land? Oh wait a minute, the weather is below the lowest usable approach. Nearest suitable airport is 40 minutes away. Just only if the ceiling was 100 ft higher, chances of a positive outcome would be just that much better.cpl_atc wrote:An extra couple hundred feet in anything but the prairies makes no difference if you're going down. Even a couple thousand feet makes virtually no difference.Doc wrote:Even a ceiling of a few hundred feet would give you some hope...but at 100 overcast....? No Hope at all.
There's extra risk flying single engine, and I think whether you're IFR or VFR is irrelevant if the flight is taking place over inhospitable terrain.
I am very scared of flying right now; you guys (and Widow) have opened my mind to the truths of life in the air. After all this time, I never realized the truth. I will live in fear from now on; it is, according to you, the only way to fly. Meow. I wonder if a single engine fighter pilot has the same concern? No? He must not care because he/she has no pax on board.
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On the other hand now that you have ten years experience maybe you will get over the fear of flying as you gain more experience?I am very scared of flying right now; you guys (and Widow) have opened my mind to the truths of life in the air. After all this time, I never realized the truth.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Clunckdriver, you have my respect because more than most (on this forum) you deserve respect due to experience, and you actually know what you are talking about. However, it's up to us to inform "Joe Public" that they may be potentially flying in a glider; however unlikey. I think you are making it sound wayyyyy more unsafe than it actually is. Flying S/E IFR today is assuredly much more safe in the year 2007, than it has ever been in the past. If you want to comment on S/E IFR, obviously you must have experience in the field...it isn't really that bad.
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I believe the word is " imitation " is the most sincere form of flattery.Facsimile is the most sincere form of flattery
By the way I have done some single engine IFR but only because the other one was feathered.
Cat " Meow "
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
