I'm sure you agree that all companies don't always pick the lowest bidder.

Sometimes there are other factors involved - even in this industry.

I think it's funny that there's negative talk of Sky Regional pilots undercutting Jazz pilots on pay, when Jazz pilots will make significantly less than a Thomas Cook pilot flying the same aircraft . . . or even significantly less than a Skyservice guy made flying the same aircraft.

Can't have it both ways lads.

Holy bullheaded people Batman, who on here still doesn't understand status pay??? Raise your hands now and we'll take you aside and draw nice little pictures with crayons and sticky's, and when you finally understand, you'll get a nice big star beside your name. JAZZ PAYS INDUSTRY STANDARD WAGES FOR THE 57, THEN WE ALL GET TO SHARE THE WEALTH, IT'S SOOOOOO SIMPLE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE STILL DON'T GET IT.
For the record I doubt any new operators will be paying 110,000 to fly a Dash, but for the sake of argument, industry standard without a status pay system would likely be around 70,000-80,000. Just guessing.

tbaylx wrote:No arguments here, the AC starting wage is dismal as well. Would be nice to see both ALPA and ACPA put a few negotiating dollars towards raising starting wages. I can't figure out why both MEC's figure you have to make poverty type wages in YYZ for 2 or 3 years before you can make a living and support your family.

As for a reasonable starting wage...Transat (while having different issues) at least pays an F/O a wage you can support a family on. There are others as well. If they can do it how come the biggest regional in Canada and it's mainline partner can't.

Last time I checked, new-hire at AT is a 310 FO. Pay commensurate to revenue generation of aircraft.

Maybe you should check again. Air Transat is a great example of status pay, where F/O's on A310's or A330's make approximately $70,000 to start.

rudder wrote:

tbaylx wrote:No arguments here, the AC starting wage is dismal as well. Would be nice to see both ALPA and ACPA put a few negotiating dollars towards raising starting wages. I can't figure out why both MEC's figure you have to make poverty type wages in YYZ for 2 or 3 years before you can make a living and support your family.

As for a reasonable starting wage...Transat (while having different issues) at least pays an F/O a wage you can support a family on. There are others as well. If they can do it how come the biggest regional in Canada and it's mainline partner can't.

Last time I checked, new-hire at AT is a 310 FO. Pay commensurate to revenue generation of aircraft.

For all those going on about the lowest bidder, etc, nobody here knows what the bids were and what factors they were looking at. I have a hard time believing that Sky Regional was able to underbid Air Georgian, Voyageur and Skylink - some of the most notoriously cheap companies out there. I've heard that Sky Regional will pay approximately the same as Jazz and Porter to start, although details on the actual pay scale and working conditions are not known.

You guys seem to forget that Jazz is actually getting q400s still...we are starting to operate them in december or january. We have people on course right now; and air canada wants us to focus on the q400 operation elsewhere to expand the north american flights so air canada can focus on international flights...Call me stupid, but this is true.

airmech07 wrote:You guys seem to forget that Jazz is actually getting q400s still...we are starting to operate them in december or january. We have people on course right now; and air canada wants us to focus on the q400 operation elsewhere to expand the north american flights so air canada can focus on international flights...Call me stupid, but this is true.

First Jazz Q400 factory delivery not til May 2011.

aerosexual wrote:For all those going on about the lowest bidder, etc, nobody here knows what the bids were and what factors they were looking at. I have a hard time believing that Sky Regional was able to underbid Air Georgian, Voyageur and Skylink - some of the most notoriously cheap companies out there. I've heard that Sky Regional will pay approximately the same as Jazz and Porter to start, although details on the actual pay scale and working conditions are not known.

Notwithstanding what the posted pay rates will be, there is a 'honeymoon' on the cost side as 100% of the employees will be on year 1 pay and year 1 vacation accrual. This would dissipateover time, but it does create a significant cost disparity for several years until the staff increase tenure.

rudder wrote:

airmech07 wrote:You guys seem to forget that Jazz is actually getting q400s still...we are starting to operate them in december or january. We have people on course right now; and air canada wants us to focus on the q400 operation elsewhere to expand the north american flights so air canada can focus on international flights...Call me stupid, but this is true.

First Jazz Q400 factory delivery not til May 2011.

however we are getting 3 used ones till then

Has anyone received a call for an interview yet?

mbav8r wrote:Holy bullheaded people Batman, who on here still doesn't understand status pay??? Raise your hands now and we'll take you aside and draw nice little pictures with crayons and sticky's, and when you finally understand, you'll get a nice big star beside your name. JAZZ PAYS INDUSTRY STANDARD WAGES FOR THE 57, THEN WE ALL GET TO SHARE THE WEALTH, IT'S SOOOOOO SIMPLE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE STILL DON'T GET IT.
For the record I doubt any new operators will be paying 110,000 to fly a Dash, but for the sake of argument, industry standard without a status pay system would likely be around 70,000-80,000. Just guessing.

Have fun this winter, either way.

Cheers!

So has anyone heard from Sky Regional yet ? I see that the ad was taken off avcanada they must have gotten all the resumes they needed.

airmech
however we are getting 3 used ones till then

The latest bid for the pilots has no training on the q400 at least until after the next bid, which is Jan.
Also there was a statement issued regarding the q's, about the 1st ones arriving May, expecting the training to start in Mar2011.

however we are getting 3 used ones till then

Well that is great news. It might be fun to see all those Q400's running around Pearson and elsewhere. How are you going to spread those 3 Q400's and make an impact?

Out in Calgary against Westjet?

Or perhaps out east against PAL's non Q100's?

Maybe (just maybe) you should concentrate all you efforts out east against Air St Pierre........

Not that I am supporting Porter or anything......

And how many and how fast are those Q400's going to roll off the assembly line for Jazz????? in May of 2011?

Ahh but then again I could always make a call and get the correct answer (but what fun would that be anyway). Just not an official answer..........We all know what happened with Oprah.....well some do anyway...

Now how that that old saying go in my country???

Oh yes translated: Don't touch s-it it smells all by itself.......

Dashx ... I have no idea how to relate your post ... care to make a point? Or are you just rambling out crap to draw people in?

Pretty much.

dashx wrote:

however we are getting 3 used ones till then

Well that is great news. It might be fun to see all those Q400's running around Pearson and elsewhere. How are you going to spread those 3 Q400's and make an impact?

Out in Calgary against Westjet?

Or perhaps out east against PAL's non Q100's?

Maybe (just maybe) you should concentrate all you efforts out east against Air St Pierre........

Not that I am supporting Porter or anything......

And how many and how fast are those Q400's going to roll off the assembly line for Jazz????? in May of 2011?

Ahh but then again I could always make a call and get the correct answer (but what fun would that be anyway). Just not an official answer..........We all know what happened with Oprah.....well some do anyway...

Now how that that old saying go in my country???

Oh yes translated: Don't touch s-it it smells all by itself.......

LOL, this sounds like one of those commercials for "This is your brain on crack!!!"

Pretty much.

But then again I was hoping for an intelligent and insightful rebuttal to my ramblings.

And I must admit that last comment was definitely insightful.

atpilot wrote:Has anyone received a call for an interview yet?

Yup ! interview shortly....

Clark Kent wrote:Yup ! interview shortly....

Make sure you wear the cape! I think it adds "wow!" factor!

Good luck!

Localizer wrote:

Clark Kent wrote:Yup ! interview shortly....

Make sure you wear the cape! I think it adds "wow!" factor!

Good luck!

Consider it done!!! LMAO!!

Hey Super Clark,

Mind sharing your experience?

Clarky Boy works for Porter!.....Traitor

Hi Super Clark,

- How many hours do you have ?
- Are you rated on the dash ?

Thank you.