Where did they go with it? Air North and Canjet have still been doing their routes up to Firebag. They need to get flying!!

flyboyboeing wrote:Where did they go with it? Air North and Canjet have still been doing their routes up to Firebag. They need to get flying!!

Canjet plane is gone, heard Flair going in there yesterday.

Canadian North also does routine flights into Firebag.

FICU wrote:Canadian North also does routine flights into Firebag.

Canadian North is mostly Albian and Horizon for Imperial and CNRL. Firebag is Suncor using their own aircraft as well as First Air & Enerjet.

whiteguy wrote:

FICU wrote:Canadian North also does routine flights into Firebag.

Canadian North is mostly Albian and Horizon for Imperial and CNRL. Firebag is Suncor using their own aircraft as well as First Air & Enerjet.

Canadian North has been flying into Firebag for Suncor on a scheduled basis for a long time.

No, Canadian North has not been flying into Firebag. First Air, EnerJet and the odd Jazz charter have.

Galaxy wrote:No, Canadian North has not been flying into Firebag. First Air, EnerJet and the odd Jazz charter have.

I have been to Firebag many, many times in a Canadian North Boeing 737 including the -300 as recently as just over a week ago.

Canadian North

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MPE9702

First Air

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FAB6526

Flair

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FLE9164

Air North

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANT562

Jazz

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JZA7000

Even WestJet !

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA9512

Didn't see any Enerjet flights to Firebag, there was one to YMM

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ENJ301

But did Enerjet actually operate it or was it a Canjet aircraft ?

FICU wrote:

Galaxy wrote:No, Canadian North has not been flying into Firebag. First Air, EnerJet and the odd Jazz charter have.

I have been to Firebag many, many times in a Canadian North Boeing 737 including the -300 as recently as just over a week ago.

Flying for Suncor?

whiteguy wrote:

FICU wrote:

Galaxy wrote:No, Canadian North has not been flying into Firebag. First Air, EnerJet and the odd Jazz charter have.

I have been to Firebag many, many times in a Canadian North Boeing 737 including the -300 as recently as just over a week ago.

Flying for Suncor?

Yes, Suncor charters us to bring in their workers just as they charter all the other airlines that go in and out of Firebag on a routine basis.

I see they're wheels up today with DEJ....heard things are going fairly well over there...good for them

Wait a second here. We're going to need a new thread here if things are going well.

ENJ flew 5 days this week. Just in last 24hrs YYC-YHZ, YHZ-YFC, YFC-YSB, YSB-YHD, YHD-YEG, YEG-YMM, YMM-YEG and YEG-YYC. Things must be going OK!!

Galaxy wrote:No, Canadian North has not been flying into Firebag. First Air, EnerJet and the odd Jazz charter have.

Galaxy,

You need to get your facts in order before you take such a stance!

I flew for Suncor and now I fly for CDN North, Suncor used CDN North all of the time and still does!

How many times do you need to be told? Are you still stuck in your terrible 2's?

flyboyboeing wrote:ENJ flew 5 days this week....Things must be going OK!!

...or at least, ok for the last 5 days. Some ground remains to be made up.

flyboyboeing wrote:ENJ flew 5 days this week. Just in last 24hrs YYC-YHZ, YHZ-YFC, YFC-YSB, YSB-YHD, YHD-YEG, YEG-YMM, YMM-YEG and YEG-YYC. Things must be going OK!!

Oh I'm sure everything is "great!! This is probably their 247th different business plan now - and this is the one where they base their utilization on hoping that all of northern Alberta burns down every year so they can "plan" on doing transcon bringing fire fighters in from out east. That will get you about three weeks work. Got to hand it to them! Some real "out of the box" thinking!

Good thing the Jets are coming back to YWG - makes it much more likely that some people won't notice that things still suck and the sound of money being flushed down the toilet.

Any word on how things are going? They have been flying pretty much 5 days a week, plus a few extra flights back east on weekends over the past month or so.

I've seen their plane sitting at the Esso just about every day this week. Im sure the Avitat is making money off it with ramp fees.

LOL!! Of course you did!. did you seen any WJA or ACA aircraft on the main ramp? Most aircraft do have to park at airports to be serviced and fueled prior to flight!!

ziggy wrote:I've seen their plane sitting at the Esso just about every day this week. Im sure the Avitat is making money off it with ramp fees.

And I've seen it parked at EFC in YEG almost everyday to. You've seen it parked at Esso because that's where they park, just like Canadian North is parked on ramp 5 everyday!

whiteguy wrote:

ziggy wrote:I've seen their plane sitting at the Esso just about every day this week. Im sure the Avitat is making money off it with ramp fees.

And I've seen it parked at EFC in YEG almost everyday to. You've seen it parked at Esso because that's where they park, just like Canadian North is parked on ramp 5 everyday!

flyboyboeing wrote:LOL!! Of course you did!. did you seen any WJA or ACA aircraft on the main ramp? Most aircraft do have to park at airports to be serviced and fueled prior to flight!!

Only difference is that AC/WJ/Cdn North fly more than 3 hours a day 5 days a week. Must be pretty tough to cover those lease payments and overhead with such low utilization!

Say Altitude wrote:

whiteguy wrote:

ziggy wrote:I've seen their plane sitting at the Esso just about every day this week. Im sure the Avitat is making money off it with ramp fees.

And I've seen it parked at EFC in YEG almost everyday to. You've seen it parked at Esso because that's where they park, just like Canadian North is parked on ramp 5 everyday!

flyboyboeing wrote:LOL!! Of course you did!. did you seen any WJA or ACA aircraft on the main ramp? Most aircraft do have to park at airports to be serviced and fueled prior to flight!!

Only difference is that AC/WJ/Cdn North fly more than 3 hours a day 5 days a week. Must be pretty tough to cover those lease payments and overhead with such low utilization!

No it's not the only difference! The difference is scheduled and charter! The Canadian North aircraft on ramp 5 are operating charter flights up north to, just like Enerjet!

Last I checked, Canadian North had a big scheduled network - across the northern part of both eastern and western arctic.

You're not really trying to say that Enerjet has even remotely close to the utilization that WJ/AC/Cdn North have are you?

Say Altitude wrote:Last I checked, Canadian North had a big scheduled network - across the northern part of both eastern and western arctic.

You're not really trying to say that Enerjet has even remotely close to the utilization that WJ/AC/Cdn North have are you?

Not trying to say that at all. I just laugh when people say an airline is failing just because they see the plane parked there when they drive by.

Big difference in what companies pay for charter vs putting employees on scheduled flights.

Let me clarify. No, the EnerJet airplane was not parked on the ramp in front of the Esso getting serviced and fueled. As anyone who taxis past the Esso knows, the plane is always sitting in the weeds across the taxiway where aircraft are parked when they are staying for a while in YYC.