Project: Parkland Airport - West of Edmonton

[Cessna driver]

Im sorry, but at 1000' above ground level, landing lights are not shining in peoples windows from a 172. Give your head a shake, a car driving down the road with its high beams on will put more light into your windows. Dont forget, theres much bigger planes flying over that area going to leduc regional making much more noise. A dairy farm makes more noise.

[Fine day to fly]

Cessna driver,
No not DA as I told you in both of your private messages my initials are actually S.O. if you must know but keep trying shirlock.
I have a pretty good idea who you are talking about though as he is also a member of the AAC and now OPA.
Your second message removed any doubt as you named them and one other family also and you still got it wrong on both tries.
So when I see DA again at the next meeting maybe you can elaborate how exactly he threatened vehicles in an 80 km/hr zone, or how one rights slander in ones grass and what did it say? I will pass it on to them as he doesn't like going on these forums thinks its a waste of time.
Its is also not my picture of the golf cart either it was presented at a meeting for all to see, that is when someone spoke up who knew her and said her name. I think the person who took the picture reported it or was going to. Nice reach though.
Anyone who lives from 265 to 271 knows the circuits are flown 2 to 4 minutes if they are on course.
The picture of the cart and side by side is not mine either it was taken at Shady Acres and was shown at the meeting and someone said one of them looked like the CFI at that time who was S.W.
Who said anything about 1000 feet it is on departures and arrivals and shines right in the windows of the families on the west side of 270 across from runway and the families further back towards 271 who at the meetings stated they have called you about it numerous times. A dairy farm doesn't go naaaaaaaa bang and it is another false equivilancy.
Anything else.

[photofly]

Can you all just get a room, please.

[Cessna driver]

Actually, yes Sean, on departure the landing lights will be pointed up, therefore, not in your windows.


DA used to threaten with a gun gesture with his hands, had F U PADC carved in his back grass, oh right also tried to blind aircraft by bouncing the sun off a mirror and directing the beam at aircraft on final.

[Fine day to fly]

Cessna driver
How exactly so I have it straight when I talk to him is F U PADC slander?
He mentioned it once at a meeting about RCMP questioning him and other residents from Shady Acres and Delta Estates also said they were questioned about that a couple years back but to the best of my knowledge and I admit I don't know everything about what goes on here the RCMP never charged anyone did they? I was told there wasnt enough evidence by someone who new the cop personally. Is that correct or was I misinformed?
Just to clarify how exactly does one notice a gun gesture when in a vehicle travelling at hwy speed and I know him well his yard is pretty treed in?
Also not to be rude but it sounds like you may be a bit of a stalker yourself.

[Cessna driver]

80 km/h is not highway speed and its pretty easy when he stands at his gate.


its pretty sad that you're on avcanada, a forum for the industry, bitching about an industry you know nothing about. Im sure you have much better things to do in your free time (or retired life) than to worry about an airport you have no control over. Life is short.

[Fine day to fly]

So you have proof of this or should we just take your word on it. I'm not retired I am on days off...you must be confused about who your talking to again. He usually waves whenever me and my wife drive by. He is also very friendly at the meetings.

[Cessna driver]

how would I have proof? am I supposed to distract myself from driving and take a video as I drive by, incriminating myself? nice try, have a good night, Sean.

[Posthumane]

Posthumane
I get your first point, my beef was initially with pelmet and then people piled on. If you are willing to have a mature and meaningful conversation then I am happy to also I would appreciate no lies and I will give you the same respect in which you show to me.

Lies like the protester set up road blocks and prevented the cadets from entering the airport aren't helping (taken from another site). The airport or EFC or both called the RCMP on the protestors 2 times and there were no faults found on the side of the protestors now the airport that is a different story. After the food trucks left in the afternoon an individual...older male in a ford expedition (wont release his name) floored his vehicle when exiting the airport almost hitting a lady in a jeep picking up the protestors signs, then parked in front her on the road blasting his horn with his windows up and doors locked when someone went to check on him, he floored it again then swerved into the end of the driveway across from airport and almost hit the older lady handing out information pamphlets that day if you were there you may have seen her or even talked to her very pleasant lady, then he swerved back on road and kept it floored right through the 50 zone endangering his life and the people who were not protestors at the hall. Many people recorded the incident. He was later contacted on fb after he posted some rubbish on there and was advised to turn himself in prior to the RCMP coming to his home...which according to the police he did. Then there were numerous vehicles that day that drove past slow then once in the 50 zone floored it right through the 50 zone again endangering users at the halls lives.

If someone is driving dangerously then that is an issue for the police to deal with, and it sounds like they dealt with the individual. Airport management has no power of enforcement in regards to traffic laws.

The thread should be about the closing of the airport due to financial distress and bankruptcy not noise that ship has already sailed just google Parkland Airport there are numerous articles and news reels.

If they become insolvent and have to close due to financial issues then that is unfortunate, but it's their problem. It's not a reason to protest their existence. The only aspects affecting the neighbors are the noise and lights.

There were meetings between the president of CPL6 and the Pioneer Rd community and I believe the Sandhills community groups. The outcome was to be mutually beneficial for all parties. Flight paths, student circuit flight paths, the beacon shining 1 mile further than regulations into peoples bedroom windows, planes flying circuits at night and shining there landing lights into windows at 0130 hrs was discussed, planes sitting on the apron with landing lights on for long periods of time warming up there engines shining at south bound motor vehicles blinding them, people travelling in there vehicles to and from being courteous on the roadway and not honking there horns in front of houses causing more disturbance or giving people the finger were all discussed and solutions and common ground where reached. Then everyone waited a couple of weeks until trials were done and everyone had a chance to vote on the changes which were accepted and were suppose to be adopted by the airport over 2 years ago. Well the groups were lied to and none of the policies, commitments or approved changes were ever adopted. That right there is the reason for protests, negative press, anxiety and a general distrust has come from and been allowed to fester since.

When did these meetings take place? Any chance the proposed changes are being implemented over time? I've seen people complaining about this airport before it was open though. And what is the regulation on an airport beacon? I would expect to be able to see it from at least 25nm when flying, just like all the other ground lights one sees. Landing lights on most ga aircraft are less powerful than car headlights. Where are these peoples houses? I dont see anything less than a quarter mile from the ramp or runway. Then again, i have a light shining in my window every night, as does almost everyone i know.

As far as land goes around here the county has stated there is a moratorium to protect farm land, CPL6 is on #1 agricultural soil. We were also told no industrial or commercial development would be allowed to happen until county ran water and sewer to the area which we were told not for approximately another 20 years. The county who had received a world award the year prior to the airport moving in for planning and development had there hands tied on this along with the province as it is federal. No building permits, no building inspections, the county fire inspector was refused entry on the property and there emergency response is lacking to say the least. Now the county is owed a million dollars in back taxes not paid in the past 3 years to compound the problem for the county which places the burden on the tax payers.

Aren't these subdivisions like shady acres also built on the same prime agrcultural land? What percentage of the county's tax bill goes to the airport that them missing payments is affecting residents?

The airport management doesn't want or seem to be capable of enforcing or making the EFC and others fall in line because they are there main source of income (the president is also an EFC member) as was the chopper flight school which changed its name 3 times in 3 yrs which is no longer at this airport and as I stated earlier he was fined and has all assets up for sale including his home and the hangar which EFC is leasing from the company. You would have thought that after others seen what happened to then EZ Air they would have smartened up and fell in line but no it got worst.

Airport management has no power of enforcement. That is TC's job. Although since the hekicopter company is no longer there, it sounds like they are doing their jon.

I understand what you are saying about roadways but to give you an example here this roadway with that logic could have been closed long ago. Speeders to and from CPL6 and obviously others as well, people almost being broadsided by cars not yielding the right of way when exiting the airport including a dump truck during the construction period who was issued a days suspension for not stopping when exiting the airport. Family members walking with kids and pets on the roadway in the 50 zone having to run into the ditch because a speeding Humvee almost took them out...that one is still due in court. Car clubs doing burn outs up and down RR270 prior to entering onto the runway and racing students on either side of the plane as they were doing touch and goes. People going to CPL6 honking there horns for long periods of time past homes and flipping the bird to residents. So it isn't all just about the planes as you can see.

Sounds like there are people on both sides of the issue that are acting like asses toward each other. Community members blaming all their problems on the airport, and airport users retaliating in childidh ways. All y'all need to grow up.

To answer your last question and to sum up if the airport and its patrons had honoured its agreement and commitment it had reached previously and the flight school stuck to its mutually agreed upon (reached with at least 2 community groups) circuit roots and paths and not aim at peoples homes and didn't have there friends who are pilots coming in from various other airports deliberately harassing the community (like the harvard comment above), or purposely having the beacon shine out much further than regulations dictate into peoples homes and bedrooms at night or flying circuits at 0120 in the morning with sometimes 2 planes 16 times each in a row over homes off course shining there landing lights right into there homes and windows...because people here have to work also it is not all farmers and need to get up at 0500 in the morning or earlier to commute into the city. If they respected the rules of the road not just the air...stopped honking and giving us the finger then jump in a plane or chopper and buzz our homes 8 to 16 times in a row each then 99.9% of the problems would not have existed. Most of it is just good old common sense no one is asking them to stand on there heads and wiggle there toes...just be respectful and mindful that we were here first so work with us. The majority of us are just fed up with the lies and broken promise...I used 99.9% as the 2 homes on the west end of the runway are screwed and one of them is a school teacher and has to get up at 0400 hrs and make a long commute west to the school she works at and the one behind that one her father is undergoing chemo for cancer...but the airport they don't care. The farm stead on the south side of the airport have been there for years and there screwed too. One of the kids on 270 north of Shady Acres has a young child with an extremely sensitive hearing condition where they hear things 10 times louder than they actually are and a lady in the Shady Acres sub division has the same condition...they don't care. One of them is a retired vet with PTSD they don't care. The students take off short banking near the homes on the west end then come screaming up to another home anywhere from Shady Acres to 628 which ever home they feel like disrupting at the time drop nose and bank through their yards sometimes hard on the throttle and other times rapidly closing there throttle and backfiring and popping through the governor scaring kids and animals...no joke dogs tuck tail and run it is like gun fire sometimes, or there over at Pioneer Rd flying over homes and farm houses there and Spruce Valley Rd also. Before the heartland project put the wires and poles up on the west side of RR 270 they were really low now they have to be at least 120 feet or there going to get wrapped up in the wiring. The published flight circuit path according to NAV Canada and Transport Canada is 1 mile...which is the south side of Shady Acres hardly ever followed. Which according to a legal term has removed there ability to enjoy there homes or properties and has destroyed there quality of life that they had, had prior to this airport. This is not an exception to the rule but rather is the daily practises at CPL6. So noise abatement is not something to be proud of here by any sense of the term.

1 mile circuit takes you over shady acres from looking at a map, so if planes are flying over it then they are following the rules. But at 1000 agl, the noise of a ga aircraft is no greater than regular road traffic. If people have trouble tolerating that then how have they dealt with the apprach and departure paths out of yeg that are overhead?
What is the proposed circuit route?

[pelmet]

Pelmet
How can you tell Pelmet is lying? Answer he is at his keyboard.

I am guessing you were not the black chevy pick up must have been another one of you at that time. Without knowing which one was your vehicle pretty tough to pin down the date, many from there drive into Shady Acres and park at the NE end or the SW end.

Just proves that you were the one lying when you incorrectly stated where I had parked. Now you admit that there have been plenty of other vehicles in the area including a Chevy pickup which I have never driven. You just make stuff up like the amount of noise. It is miniscule.

I still think if you bought in Shady Acres subdivision which you continue to call a village you could possible be there village idiot...but I only have your posts from which to draw my conclusions.

Once again, more insults from the nasty neighbours. Aside from proving how insulting you and your neighbours repeatedly are, the most hilarious thing about your post questioning my intelligence is that you typed that if I moved to Shady Acres, "......you could POSSIBLE be THERE village idiot". And this is not a typo we are seeing. Ok, intelligence is not your strong point. Insults and lies are. No problem. Continue with your long posts and I will continue to fly as we all do, that is as quietly as possible.

I don't expect to post anymore on this thread. Feel free to throw more insults. It just proves me right and I will point the average onlooker to what you have said. As for myself, I look forward to flying at Parkland for a long time and celebrate their 50th anniversary some day in the future. It's kind of nice out there and quite pretty to look down on the farmers fields at various times of year.

Parkland is here to stay. And for those thinking otherwise, keep reading this post below over and over.....

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