Ice Pilots of NWT Series on History Channel this Fall!

[Driving Rain]

We have to wonder what all this says about the intelligence of a large segment of the pilot group?

Thank God I got my start in aviation before you had to be indentured like the slaves in the 17 th. and 18 th. century..

Well at least Joe isn't asking for 10 to 15 thousand dollars up front like so many others these days.
I came along after you Cat and crewman/rampy was the norm in my era the early 70's. (Austin's)
I think it shows a certain amount of character in these rampies. They've all come from far and wide to work in hard conditions. They don't have the 10 to 15 thousand bucks to put up front for the entry level seat but are willing to work hard and good on them for it.

[Cat Driver]

I was fishing Driving Rain.

The Devil made me type that stuff.

Austin Airways had the same set up when I was there also, I managed to get by the ramp and crewman jobs by being in the right place at the right time.

With regard to the Ice Pilots series we have no idea what really happens in the background that results in some getting ahead and some not.

I have known Joe before Mikey was born and consider Joe a friend, how he runs his company I have no idea having never worked for him.

[Driving Rain]

I wonder how interested we'd be if the show bi-line was.... Who'll be the first to cough up $10.000 and leave their parental nest to get a right seat on a C-46/47? Find out in our next episode of Ice Pilots.... not many I'd bet

What a bunch we are. Many on here cry foul when companies demand money upfront to gain employment (me included) and then we have an alternative that offers budding pilots entry level after some hard work and time and then a cry of foul goes up.

Of the two groups, I know who I'd hire first.

[302sc]

godsrcrazy wrote:

Is Joe tanking his Electras?

lots of speculation on that one . a expensive mod certainly . someone said the 8 doors tanks from the dc-4 would be an option as it can be filled up to a higher level of retardant and NWT forestry like the drop pattern also would be the least expensive options .a constant flow tank would be so expensive that it does not look like an option
a postponement of turbine power could be also considered in light of the economic situation up north . nobody on the hangar floor knows .
the plot thicken!!

[xsbank]

I've said it before and I will go to my grave saying it - if you are working the ramp, the desk, the hangar without also being in the process of being checked out, you are a slave. Doctors don't have to change sheets and swab the floors, lawyers don't have to dust the bench or clean the floors either. They do menial work but they are also in the throes of the checkout process. Any meathead can work the ramp, but it takes someone with your training to fly the a/c.

[godsrcrazy]

I've said it before and I will go to my grave saying it - if you are working the ramp, the desk, the hangar without also being in the process of being checked out, you are a slave. Doctors don't have to change sheets and swab the floors, lawyers don't have to dust the bench or clean the floors either. They do menial work but they are also in the throes of the checkout process. Any meathead can work the ramp, but it takes someone with your training to fly the a/c.

So if you don't think they should do ramp, office or hanger work. There is nothing left to do other then i am a pilot so put me in a pilots seat. Maybe you can tell us all how you see it happen.

Doctors and lawyers both do a lot of crappy things before they deal with clients. I know young lawyers that spend months researching.

[Riverman]

I've said it before and I will go to my grave saying it - if you are working the ramp, the desk, the hangar without also being in the process of being checked out, you are a slave. Doctors don't have to change sheets and swab the floors, lawyers don't have to dust the bench or clean the floors either. They do menial work but they are also in the throes of the checkout process. Any meathead can work the ramp, but it takes someone with your training to fly the a/c.

Lol on the comparison of a junior pilot to that of a lawyer or doctor. Not even close to the same level of education, bud.

[Caballero]

I really enjoy watching the show for what it's worth, understanding that things have to be dramatized.. Id personally be choked though if I were with Skyservice to see that on an International broadcast. Who knows the exact situation with the hangar in reality, but to knock them like that through the final edit? They've always been good to us anyway.

[nimbostratus]

Maybe next time they'll try Starlink.

Nimbo.

[C-GGGQ]

I've said it before and I will go to my grave saying it - if you are working the ramp, the desk, the hangar without also being in the process of being checked out, you are a slave. Doctors don't have to change sheets and swab the floors, lawyers don't have to dust the bench or clean the floors either. They do menial work but they are also in the throes of the checkout process. Any meathead can work the ramp, but it takes someone with your training to fly the a/c.

So if you don't think they should do ramp, office or hanger work. There is nothing left to do other then i am a pilot so put me in a pilots seat. Maybe you can tell us all how you see it happen.

Doctors and lawyers both do a lot of crappy things before they deal with clients. I know young lawyers that spend months researching.

Yes MONTHS not YEARS. What Xsbank said was if you are doing these WITHOUT also being checked out on the aircraft say within a few weeks not "possibly in 2 years time" then it is slave labour.

[niss]

Lol on the comparison of a junior pilot to that of a lawyer or doctor. Not even close to the same level of education, bud.

Speak for yourself, it took me 6 years to get my PPL.

[Panic]

Lol on the comparison of a junior pilot to that of a lawyer or doctor. Not even close to the same level of education, bud.

Speak for yourself, it took me 6 years to get my PPL.

Full time? I doubt that.

[godsrcrazy]

Lol on the comparison of a junior pilot to that of a lawyer or doctor. Not even close to the same level of education, bud.

Speak for yourself, it took me 6 years to get my PPL.

Full time? I doubt that.

If it took you 6 years full time i am not sure i would want to fly with you.

[godsrcrazy]

I've said it before and I will go to my grave saying it - if you are working the ramp, the desk, the hangar without also being in the process of being checked out, you are a slave. Doctors don't have to change sheets and swab the floors, lawyers don't have to dust the bench or clean the floors either. They do menial work but they are also in the throes of the checkout process. Any meathead can work the ramp, but it takes someone with your training to fly the a/c.

So if you don't think they should do ramp, office or hanger work. There is nothing left to do other then i am a pilot so put me in a pilots seat. Maybe you can tell us all how you see it happen.

Doctors and lawyers both do a lot of crappy things before they deal with clients. I know young lawyers that spend months researching.

Yes MONTHS not YEARS. What Xsbank said was if you are doing these WITHOUT also being checked out on the aircraft say within a few weeks not "possibly in 2 years time" then it is slave labour.

2 years is crazy. But a few weeks is even crazier. Regardless i think this is all about why is a female that has been with the company for less then 2 months is moving up the line ahead of the guy that has been there over 6 months. It is not about training bonds and how long it should you should have to work the ramp before you move to the right seat. If this guy wasn't doing his job then get rid of him. Telling him to find his own replacement or he can't move out of Hay river to Yellowknife is even more crazy. Mikey may be doing a good job or be in training. But i must say he paints a bad picture of him self every time he opens his mouth about rampie pilots. I certainly would not want to be in Mikey's shoes against Joe day after day. I tip my hat to him for that.

[niss]

Lol on the comparison of a junior pilot to that of a lawyer or doctor. Not even close to the same level of education, bud.

Speak for yourself, it took me 6 years to get my PPL.

Full time? I doubt that.

If it was full time I would kill myself. Very part time for the first 3 years. Part time for the other 3.

I count from the time I did my ground school, then there was no flying for 3 years.

My training didn't start in earnest until 3 years ago.

[302sc]

WOW!!
I cannot believe how this serie has the pilots community up in arms over a TV show on buffalo air . do not let it get to your ego it is only a dramatized tv serie for the masses at large we pilots generally know how things are done or happen and we can tell but think about it when you watch a hospital trauma show you have no ideas on how it is to work out in real life when the gurney is wheeled in but the nurses and doctors do and must laugh out loud most of the time
like we do sometimes watching ice pilots
so just enjoy have fun

sure the rampies always have had a tough time at buffalo but in the end it is a choice made and most know they must endure before they can get in an airplane but there are many outfit beside buffalo and eventually a job may be found somewhere else while slaving away at buffalo ask audrey!!

[Dust Devil]

Lol on the comparison of a junior pilot to that of a lawyer or doctor. Not even close to the same level of education, bud.

Speak for yourself, it took me 6 years to get my PPL.

How long did it take for Ricky to get his grade 10

[canwhitewolf]

WOW!!
I cannot believe how this serie has the pilots community up in arms over a TV show on buffalo air . do not let it get to your ego it is only a dramatized tv serie for the masses at large we pilots generally know how things are done or happen and we can tell but think about it when you watch a hospital trauma show you have no ideas on how it is to work out in real life when the gurney is wheeled in but the nurses and doctors do and must laugh out loud most of the time
like we do sometimes watching ice pilots
so just enjoy have fun

sure the rampies always have had a tough time at buffalo but in the end it is a choice made and most know they must endure before they can get in an airplane but there are many outfit beside buffalo and eventually a job may be found somewhere else while slaving away at buffalo ask audrey!!

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who did audrey end up flying for?

[xsbank]

For your information, I have never seen this show. I worked a desk at my first employer but everytime a ferry flight or a freight haul came up I got to fly it so I was being checked out all the time I was a dispatcher. Our rampies were full-time.

It takes a lawyer to be a lawyer. It also takes a pilot to be a pilot. I never said they were equivelent but I tried to make a simple comparison for the mouth-breathers on this site.

Ever notice how the only people to trash education are those who haven't been? Rarely do you hear the educated trash education. Ever wonder why that might be?

[xsbank]

As an employer, I would only hire pilots for the ramp because except for the whining, I could work them to death, treat them like sh*t and they would suck it up, all because they want to fly. The beauty of it is that I always have a carefully selected cadre of ass-kissers that I can bully for the rest of their career with me and I can stick 'em into a cockpit/swamper job as soon as another one finally grows a set and moves on.

[niss]

Lol on the comparison of a junior pilot to that of a lawyer or doctor. Not even close to the same level of education, bud.

Speak for yourself, it took me 6 years to get my PPL.

How long did it take for Ricky to get his grade 10

I would have gotten it quicker if it weren't for the f-ing rakeins!

[Indanao]

In the USA eh? (Or outside Canada !): Here is the Scoop -


"This was not going unseen. Go to Google search, type in ICE PILOTS click on the top entry that says ICE PILOTS.
It opens up to all eposodes and they will download in the US." ( From Ron Fleishman .)

Some doubt about that one.

( Sorry) Still looking, all Mask I.P. Freeware so far has only Europe I.P.s for alternates. ( Contrary to popular belief - they don't work either. ) Need to find Mask I.P. Freeware that has Canadian I.P. as an alternative.) AND, I couldn't - or quit trying once my own IP got screwed up. I would be emailing some Freeware providers for advice - e.g.: does your software include a Canadian Alternative I.P.. Most don't, either USA of Europe are offered.

But, there are some paid WebSites that would enable you to watch episodes being aired - for a fee. ( not past episodes)

Anyone know more?

Hi,


I've just been watching the first episode from the UK - it's a great show - can't believe people fly planes in -40 !!!!!


Anyway you can indeed watch it with Identity Cloaker - the standard IP masking with a proxy doesn't work with that channel - so you need to use the OpenVPN mode.


It's quite straight forward - the instructions are here - there's a video at the bottom as well although you have to select a Canadian server instead of a US one (select CA2 server from the list - the CA1 is a bit temperamental and is being replaced shortly).


http://www.anonymous-proxies.org/2009/0 ... anada.html


To test it - use this code - BDB51E99 and go to the Identity Cloaker Site and select the 10 day trial - and you'll get the trial for free.


Just get someone from outside Canada to test it, if you have any problems let me know.


All the best


Neil

Hi ,


And hello from a very white Wales !


You're welcome - I really like the show would never have found it myself !
Hope you get on ok with the test - I have put another post up with video instructions - any excuse
to play with my video recording software which I hardly ever use


http://www.anonymous-proxies.org/2010/0 ... annel.html


Apparently the show was on Youtube but must have got removed because I couldn't find it.




Cheers
Neil

[linecrew]

Geez, I bet Skyservice CYUL is doing some damage control for the bad publicity from that Ice Pilots episode!

Unless someone here knows the scoop we'll never know why the -215s were pulled out and then LEFT out. There may have been a situation of conditional hanagr space based on whether or not customers who were previously promised hangar would show up or not. If you've been in the business long enough you'll know that there is often (not always) two sides to a story.

[supercub7]

Does anyone else other than me think Mikey is a huge loser? My god - the things he says, and then stands there like he's some kind of wonder god. That guy bugs me!

Ya kind of thought that in the beginning. After watching last weeks episode, when Mikey decided to jump the two rampies ahead of Jeremy to take the next flight attendant job, that pretty much convinced me he is a loser.

[niss]

Does anyone else other than me think Mikey is a huge loser? My god - the things he says, and then stands there like he's some kind of wonder god. That guy bugs me!

Ya kind of thought that in the beginning. After watching last weeks episode when the two other rampies jumped ahead of Jeremy, and Mickey was perfectly fine with the company's decision, pretty much confirmed to me that Mikey is a loser which is why he probably works for his dad because he is to retarded to work anywhere else

Yep. I'm in the family business so I must be too retarded to work elsewhere as well.