Germanwings A320 Plane Crashes in Southern France

[Illya Kuryakin]

All aircraft, industry wide should be grounded till these doors are removed. If these accidents were caused by a known mechanical flaw, this would happen. Guess what....these doors are a " known mechanical flaw" that has knowingly resulted in the deaths of many people. Park 'em.
Thoughts?
Illya

[Carl789]

Everyone has got so scared of the bogeyman in the shadows. These doors are not the only crazy thing to have been introduced for 'public safety' since Sept 11. The sad thing is that this incident is likely to prove that they were right to 'improve' security, and will introduce new measures now to make us all feel safe again.

[SenyorJim]

It's not a keyed door?

[Donald]

Anyone commenting on this line of thought, that currently works at an airline, is risking exposing confidential security information.

These sorts of things cannot be disclosed publicly.

[cncpc]

It also could have been an example of extremely unlucky pilot incapacitation. I've heard that in the US pilots are never alowed to be alone in the cockpit. When one goes out a flight attendant must stay in the cockpit till the pilot returns.

In the normal case, does the pilot inside have to let the pilot outside back in, and if so, does he or she have to unbuckle and leave the seat?

[cncpc]

Anyone commenting on this line of thought, that currently works at an airline, is risking exposing confidential security information.

These sorts of things cannot be disclosed publicly.

According to who or what?

What kind of things?

[Donald]

Operation of the door and access to the FD. Use some common sense.

[timel]

Operation of the door and access to the FD. Use some common sense.

Good luck keeping it confidential, medias are going to dig it.
All over social medias people are providing informations.


Seems that the FO started flying in mid 2013 for that airline and had a few hundred hours.
No one knows who was in the cockpit.

[GyvAir]

Yeah.. good thing you can't just google it or watch a demo on YouTube.

[boeingboy]

Always blame the pilot...seems like the odds are pretty good it's his fault. Too bad these Egypt Air 990, Mozambique Air, now German Wings guys...nobody just honourably kill themselves anymore...

Don't forget Silk Air 185, LAM 470, and it's a leading theory in MH 370!

[cncpc]

It also could have been an example of extremely unlucky pilot incapacitation. I've heard that in the US pilots are never alowed to be alone in the cockpit. When one goes out a flight attendant must stay in the cockpit till the pilot returns.

In the normal case, does the pilot inside have to let the pilot outside back in, and if so, does he or she have to unbuckle and leave the seat?

Disregard. I have the answers.

[floydfrank]

Our airline requires a flight attendant to replace the pilot when they leave the flight deck for the bathroom. This should be common place - surprising that it isn't.

I thought that the standard procedure was for an f/a to take the place of the pilot who had stepped out, and was not only common place, but ICAO standard. As well, and to answer my own question, a flight attendant HAS to come up, knock on the door, the pilot wishing to leave the flight deck checks the peep hole, lets the f/a in, she steps in, he steps out, and she locks it. This is not an optional procedure, if it were not, the remaining pilot would have to leave his seat to lock the door. The f/a coming forward also serves to make sure that no one rushes the flight deck while the door is open.

[Prodriver]

Anyone commenting on this line of thought, that currently works at an airline, is risking exposing confidential security information.

These sorts of things cannot be disclosed publicly.

Good point, I agree, but look what some Nit Wit posted tonight!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROIH3KCEIvs

[Redneck_pilot86]

Where is the top secret revelation in that video? If the pilots want the door open, they move the it to unlock, if not, they lock it...that same high tech setup is in my 94 pickup.

[Heliian]

Have they confirmed this door banging or is it just the nytimes quoting an "unknown" investigator?

[Eric Janson]

So, is there some nefarious electro glitch in Airbus' system that renders them unflyable? Air France in the Atlantic, two Airbuses in Asia and now one in Germany?

Two airbuses in Asia? I can't find anything on the second one.

Air France 447 - crew failed to fly the aircraft.

Air Asia 8501 - looks like incorrect crew action once again.

Not sure how a lack of basic flying skills equates to a problem with the aircraft.

[Waldo Peppar]

BREAKING news This Morning:
The CO-PILOT DID IT!
- he was a German National
- low time, hired in 2013
- a deliberate act to destroy the aircraftl

[Localizer]

Get ready for a psych-eval at your next medical.

Why couldn't this douche bag just kill himself? Why take 150 innocent people with you?

[cap41]

More people have died as a result of a locked door, than as a result of an opened door.

[Illya Kuryakin]

The co-pilot had 630 hours TT. In Canada, we'd have him safely slugging freight on a ramp in Upper Armpit, up north somewhere.
This type of thing far outweighs the precieved safety these doors give us. Guess we need a few more before the lights come on though?
At least the CNN chick is hot.
Illya

[flyinthebug]

I am with Illya on this one. In our efforts to become more secure post 9/11...we have offered loop holes to all the "crazies" out there. This is sad and tragic beyond any words. When you sacrifice liberty in the name of security, this is sometimes the result.

Also as Illya said, why the entire world fleet isn't grounded this morning to have the cockpit doors REMOVED, ill never know?

I cant begin to imagine what that last 8 1/2 minutes of life was like for all the innocent people on board. I am sick about this one.

My deepest and most sincere condolences to those family and friends affected by this tragic & unthinkable act. Somehow, this one affects us ALL.

[love2fly14]

I don't understand why ppl are focusing on is low hrs... If it was a pilot mistake, then I can understand. Depression as noting to do with hours, it could of append to a more experience pilot if that was the case.

[timel]

I don't understand why ppl are focusing on is low hrs... If it was a pilot mistake, then I can understand. Depression as noting to do with hours, it could of append to a more experience pilot if that was the case.

Maybe he would have enjoyed a little more his life if he would have been loading barrels in a pilatus at 630 hours.


This is sick.

[love2fly14]

I don't understand why ppl are focusing on is low hrs... If it was a pilot mistake, then I can understand. Depression as noting to do with hours, it could of append to a more experience pilot if that was the case.

Maybe he would have enjoyed a little more his life if he would have been loading barrels in a pilatus at 630 hours.


This is sick.

Maybe... Maybe he would of done the same... I just don't think hours have anything to do with it. Maybe the industry needs to have yearly evaluation and a closer follow up with their staff...Anything from finance, to personal issues.. eg: divorce, health... can send someone to the deep end..

[timel]

Europeans extreemely fantastic low cost system with wannabees who pay over +100 000€ in order to buy a seat in an airbus. They will now introduce the 2000€ psychological screening test.