Need contract PA31-350 single pilot ASAP

turbo-prop · Post by **turbo-prop** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:20 pm

First of all shankdown I think i do qualify for that contract considering i have about 1800 hrs in a navajo with about 1300 of that as a captain flying around the north in the blowing snow and strong crosswinds into some crappy little strip. I done my time and am on to bigger and better now so get some facts before you shoot your mouth off about qualifications. I'am not saying i have the most experience as TOGA descent points all the valuable time he has, which is great some guys have tons and can have there opinions. TOGA I am sure you have a great job making lots of money and sure 3 or 4 guys posted how great they are paid, but thats is a small minority of navajo pilots out there, I can guarantee you there are lots more out there that don't make that much and wished they did. I didn't say anything about working 30 days in a row (even though under 703 you only need 3 off in 30), he said you would be paid if the plane moved or not so $4200 would be what you make a month (if the contract lasts that long since is just a SHORT term contract).

low n over · Post by **low n over** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:09 am

hhmmm.

initialy you were looking for a guy with experiance to get his a$$ up there asap for a 6-8 week contract. You'd have to expect to pay above average for that.

From your last post it seems like your looking for a guy to fly your Ho and possibly offer him full time employment, at which $150 a day would be sweet. If it was offered as salary, not per duty day.

Gotta be very specific on here.

Anonymous1 · Post by **Anonymous1** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:53 am

Like I said...most of you guys seem to bitch and complain about everything so I'll just do it myself. Why be specific when I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow? Who ever got into aviation for a stable, long term job? You claim to make $7000 or so a month so why would you be wasting time on the internet with that much cash? I just thought someone would like to make a little extra money between jobs but there seems to be a lot of anger and bitterness from all the $400 a day Navajo pilots out there so why bother with all that crap?

shankdown · Post by **shankdown** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:08 am

Just relax, TurboProp. I took a guess based on what you said and I was wrong. When you were talking about $150/day as good money, it reminded of a time when I would have fallen all over myself to fly across the country on short notice to work for the guy. And when I was like that, I wasn't qualified for such a gig. Those days are over. Frankly, I'm surprised you'd drop everything to go do it for that. If you lived in Dryden or something, that's a different story & mabey I'd understand. No hard feelings required here

I hope you're catching a good part of this hiring wave.

Anonomous. I don't think there's a whole lot of bitching going on, just people saying what they'll work for. If you can get a guy to do it at $150, good on ya. If you can't (which appears to be the case), you'd have to start moving the price up. I'll take a contract for much less than $400/day, but it would have to be on some better terms than what you're asking. Its simple. You sound like a safe guy, and I understand that you were exagerating the conditions you want people to fly in to make a statement, and that you'd respect all the decisions of an experienced guy. I would love to come up there for you. I have spent many weeks in Red Lake, and its a fine town. But I'm not being hypocritical, and I don't think many of the other guys are either. You said what you were offering, and it doesn't sound like there's any takers, so you'll do it yourself. Can't afford it? Pass the price on to the customer, or do what you're doing. But perhaps you shouldn't jump all over people because they don't want to go up there for that money. The industry is moving, and the guys who you're looking for would rather do the $150/day plus perdiem thing for Jazz or Pacific Coastal or something like that. When I contracted in my home town on a Navajo last year, I did it for $180/day plus expenses. If I do it again, it will be $200 plus expenses, as I'm in a position to. Argueably, it should even be more than that. If they can find someone to do it for less that offers the same service and performance I do, good for them. I'll have a little cutie over for dinner and a bottle of wine and enjoy myself. In all honesty, you probably need to adjust your daily pay. Look at some of the salaries guys on here are getting. They are real. My company STARTS guys on the Navajos just under 50K/year, and their perdiems (if you count those) launch them into the high 50's/year. Granted, its in a different market, but still. As much fun as it is to fly, I'm also responsible to keep the value of pilots where it should be, and not to degrade that standard. As are you and everyone on this board. I hope you understand my point. Sorry for rambling, but I'm trying to give you an honest, straight up answer. I'll stop now.

Shankdown

TorontoGuy · Post by **TorontoGuy** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:53 am

Anonymous1 wrote:Like I said...most of you guys seem to bitch and complain about everything so I'll just do it myself.

That's your only option? Finding a pilot here on avcanada or nothing? Surely not. Sounds awfully limited to me.

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:46 am

shank,

high 50's for a HO, what company you with, need any drivers?

low n over · Post by **low n over** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:14 pm

I never claimed that i made that much, it would be a rare 20 days on that i flew 100hrs [though $6000 isnt uncommon]. I am on the job right now though, chillin in my hotel room with my company provided laptop making min flight pay, ect. Or as you say 'wasting time on the internet'. Kinda funny that an aviation company is paying me to sit here and piss you off.

From your last post you sound like a typical northern boss

, i got my fill of that during 14 months above the arctic circle. A guy with solid time, regardless of pay offered, needs to take that like he needs a fu@!kin hole in his head

. Not that I'm saying you are, its just the way you seem to get worked up and respond to peoples comments. I'd probably hate to be working for ya when a skeds departure is five min late.

Meso · Post by **Meso** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:38 pm

shankdown wrote:
My company STARTS guys on the Navajos just under 50K/year, and their perdiems (if you count those) launch them into the high 50's/year.

Shankdown Very Happy

Where is the sign-up sheet?. For 50 G's plus 'ill fly a ho? Only I don't want to move to Never Never land!

low n over wrote: Not that I'm saying you are, its just the way you seem to get worked up and respond to peoples comments. I'd probably hate to be working for ya when a skeds departure is five min late.

Maybe the guy is a bit stressed, working alot, needing more pilots,trying to pay for planes which we all know is not a cake walk, maybe got some good work that will carry him through the slow times this winter.I'm not defending the pay but, Give it a rest on the bitchy part. Take your lunch box to work and be happy,IMHO, your not qualified to comment on this!

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:14 pm

low n over wrote:its a sweet pu$$y gig yeah, but theres lots of Ho's especialy survey ones in alberta with guys making the same or more. Even dynamic pays guys with my time $220 + per day.

One things for sure, my employer is gonna have me around for awhile.

Untill I convince you to give it up and come work for us. LOL

low n over · Post by **low n over** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:49 pm

Sure thing Dust Devil.

But I want $150 a day plus travel and housing.

hehehehe

Sorry i couldnt resist. Been waiting in YBF for survey wx the last few days.
Getting a little stir crazy, no History channel on the hotel cable so naturaly i find myself on avcanada between wanks. Actualy I wish anonymus1 all the best. Easy, when things are going great for a guy, to forget the hard times.

Cheers

Out of Control · Post by **Out of Control** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:50 pm

LOL- good one DD

DLB · Post by **DLB** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:57 pm

"What did I hear at Georgian? Complaining."

Hey Mike, you heard so much complaining at Georgian because thats all you did, non-stop, about everything. And you didnt even have to land on short icy runways in North Ontario with 180 kt 90 degree crosswinds.

Anonymous1 · Post by **Anonymous1** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:25 pm

Of course I complained but I also tried changing things for the better by offering my help with the union. I was also willing to strike for as long as it took, even if I was fired if only it would improve pay for those pilots hired affter I was long gone. How many Georgian pilots complained but when it came to the strike vote, weakened? Well, there was no strike so that's my point. And unlike some, I actually thought I could do better running my own company than working for Mulroney. So I put my money where my mouth was and did just that with the understanding that I would be risking everything to prove I could do a better job than Mulroney. How many pilots talk the talk with their whining but are not willing to put the chips down and use their own money to try and start their own company from nothing? There's a big difference between complaining like some posters here and complaining but then taking action to improve your situation.

DLB · Post by **DLB** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:06 pm

Hahahahahaha.....My hero. You pay exactly 43 Cents/day more than Mulroney forks out for a Caravan Captain to fly around Southern Ontario from ILS to ILS on long paved runways....and they dont have to bring their own PPC's. They sleep in nice hotels all day, get help loading their bags, have an easy schedule, and every night they get to come back to Toronto.

As for not having the guts to go on strike, we had 96% of the membership vote no to the company's initial contract offer back then.... that is 96% of our gutless employees voted to go on strike. The reason we didnt walk was because the company caved and we got what we needed.

Put your money where your mouth is buddy. I had to listen to you for years go on about how supposedly oppressed we were and now here you are bitching about pilots who bitch too much while you try to lowball desperate job-seekers. You got a union up there? Maybe OREA should branch out and open its first local...

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:13 pm

low n over wrote:Sure thing Dust Devil.

But I want $150 a day plus travel and housing.

hehehehe

Sorry i couldnt resist. Been waiting in YBF for survey wx the last few days.
Getting a little stir crazy, no History channel on the hotel cable so naturaly i find myself on avcanada between wanks. Actualy I wish anonymus1 all the best. Easy, when things are going great for a guy, to forget the hard times.

Cheers

How about I throw in a generous dose of hookers and blow for ya. Just to keep your head clear

low n over · Post by **low n over** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:35 pm

throw in one of those helmets and you got yourself a deal.

and half that burger

Out of Control · Post by **Out of Control** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:53 pm

hmmmmm Hookers and blow, my fav.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:18 pm

low n over wrote:throw in one of those helmets and you got yourself a deal.

and half that burger

The helmet is part of the uniform. But I don't like sharing my burgers

marktheone · Post by **marktheone** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:35 pm

endless wrote: Perhaps everyone lives in Vancouver, or Calgary and this would be a culture shock.

Endless are you aware that we have mountains and snow here? It's even MORE interesting. Crazy huh.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:02 pm

If I had the bucks to own two Navajos and run an op....I'd take the money and spend it drinking beer with limes stuffed in the bottles, on a Mexican beach!
Have you got any pilots yet there, MM?

Anonymous1 · Post by **Anonymous1** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:34 pm

To correct DLB's posting: 2 CARAVAN CAPTAINS ARE NOW DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!! If its just so easy and paradise there, then they should still be with us, right????? Its one thing to exaggerate but please don't lie. Its not as you make it out to be. And the company never caved. Stokes realized there was not enough pilot support to walk so he changed the "demands" to something Mulroney would sign for and Mulroney laughed all the way to the bank. The reason the pilots in general weren't willing to stand up for a livable wage was because half were making decent money and no one except a few wanted it as a career so why risk losing your job over a stepping stone. I disagreed as I felt the principle of self respect and being treated with dignity was more important than a simple pilot job. Not enough people agreed and therefore nothing has changed there. I pay above average for a Navajo Captain and there are better paying and worse paying jobs around. At least I would like to pay more but its a little hard when a company first starts up. Why don't yopu try starting something with your savings and see how it goes before running your damn mouth off about how I only pay 64cents more than a Caravan pilot at Georgian????????? Do you see Mulroney go out and fly in crap weather to help his pilots out? No. So shut your hole!!!!!!!!

DLB · Post by **DLB** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:15 pm

So, because you go and fly around you're the best boss ever? Wow, I'm awstruck. But, then again best boss ever, why dont you pay better than $150/day? Why is it okay for you to not be able to afford to do better but, when GGN makes the same plea of poverty they are "laughing all the way to the bank"? How do we know you also arent "laughing all the way to the bank"? Maybe you learned well from Mulrooney?

The CBA at Georgian isint perfect by any means but it is one of the better ones out there. If you think its so weak why dont I email you a copy for use at your company? What do you say? And as for "not enough pilot support", 96% of 190 employees voting in favour of a strike seems like enough for me, but what do I know? As you say, I've never bought two Navajos and started my own company on the backs of underpaid workers before.

"I put up the money"...."I take the risk"...."All the employees do is use me and bitch and complain".....You sound just like any boss I've ever dealt with and you call people posting on this website hypocrites. Haha.

And to use the deaths of two pilots to score debating points is truly a sorry act.

marktheone · Post by **marktheone** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:54 pm

Hi Anonymous1,

I know a guy locally here in YVR that has 7000hrs on ho's, all north. Excellent guy, used to work with us and I highly recommend him. He is not flying right now though I think his PPC is still alive. PM me if you are interested.

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:32 am

cpt sweet'njuicy wrote:...holy fuk around town!!!...what a pile of whiners here..anonymous..... if my PPc were still good I do it for free just to fry their insides ...or I'd donate the money to WIA (jk on that..id rather burn it than fund something that wrong ) ....too bad you couldnt find a high timer with lots of dough who just wanted to help out or just do it for kicks....you would have thought ( and you did) that a place as busy as avcanada would deliver such a person.....you know why you have trouble keeping pilots at your company...most pilots are fuking shit...and they know it and they can never be satisfied...fuk them....you do the flying it will save the CASB from having to show up.....you fuking losers

And that the bottom line, Cause Cpt Sweet'n Juicy said so
LOL

Anonymous1 · Post by **Anonymous1** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:46 am

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