No pilot recalls until Spring 2023???

[Dry Guy]

Pilots on disability are moved to inactive status and don't bid for positions like managers, some union reps and others.

Do they continue to hold a position on the equipment they were on before going on GDIP? QPOS or APOS?

[TheStig]

Pilots on disability are moved to inactive status and don't bid for positions like managers, some union reps and others.

Do they continue to hold a position on the equipment they were on before going on GDIP? QPOS or APOS?

APOS but they don't exactly 'hold' a position because position is posted for a pilot to fly a certain number of hours in the future and needs to be filled. When switching to inactive status a Pilot is given a Declared Position, which is whatever they were holding when they became inactive. Fast forward whatever took you off the line no longer doing so and 8 paragraphs of contract describe crew manning finds you a position based on your seniority.

[iflyroads]

Heard a reasonably credible rumour that there will be an August Bid that will show increases in 777 CA and need for recalls in 2022.

Hope that is the case for those on layoff.

Heard this as well, but heard they will need more crews on the 87 by next summer.

[NotDirty!]

Pilots on disability are moved to inactive status and don't bid for positions like managers, some union reps and others.

Do they continue to hold a position on the equipment they were on before going on GDIP? QPOS or APOS?

APOS but they don't exactly 'hold' a position because position is posted for a pilot to fly a certain number of hours in the future and needs to be filled. When switching to inactive status a Pilot is given a Declared Position, which is whatever they were holding when they became inactive. Fast forward whatever took you off the line no longer doing so and 8 paragraphs of contract describe crew manning finds you a position based on your seniority.

It’s a little greyer than that… I was on GDIP but never was made inactive, so I held an APOS after each bid since 20-01, despite being on GDIP. So I think it depends on how long term you are expected to be off. Thanks to COVID it took me a whole lot longer than expected to be allowed to return, but they are planning to return me to my previous QPOS. hurry up and wait for the requal plan!

[rudder]

Heard a reasonably credible rumour that there will be an August Bid that will show increases in 777 CA and need for recalls in 2022.

Hope that is the case for those on layoff.

Heard this as well, but heard they will need more crews on the 87 by next summer.

When are the WB ‘freighters’ being converted back to pax configuration?

[acpaleaks]

Heard a reasonably credible rumour that there will be an August Bid that will show increases in 777 CA and need for recalls in 2022.

Hope that is the case for those on layoff.

Heard this as well, but heard they will need more crews on the 87 by next summer.

When are the WB ‘freighters’ being converted back to pax configuration?

IIRC Sept or Oct the special certificate from TC expires.

[Dry Guy]

Fast forward whatever took you off the line no longer doing so and 8 paragraphs of contract describe crew manning finds you a position based on your seniority.

That's interesting thanks. Is any consideration given to what position the pilot wants to come back to or is it totally up to whether the company wants you in your Declared Position or not?

[TheStig]

When are the WB ‘freighters’ being converted back to pax configuration?

IIRC Sept or Oct the special certificate from TC expires.

The fleet plan in the last MD&A shows 5 Cargo B777's and 3 A330 at 31 Dec 2021. The 330's that were converted to cargo had just recently joined the fleet and still had their previous operators interior and the plan is to reintroduce them to passenger service with AC's 'Dreamliner' standard interiors.

[altiplano]

IIRC Sept or Oct the special certificate from TC expires.

IIRC the special certificate was set to expire last Oct. and the company had it extended. They'll get it extended again as needed, if needed.

[TheStig]

Fast forward whatever took you off the line no longer doing so and 8 paragraphs of contract describe crew manning finds you a position based on your seniority.

That's interesting thanks. Is any consideration given to what position the pilot wants to come back to or is it totally up to whether the company wants you in your Declared Position or not?

When a pilot is ready to return to active status they bid just like anyone else. In some cases their declared position doesn't exist anymore, such as for example VR 330 FO, you're not going to be forced to YYZ or YUL, you'd just bid to a new position in YVR. Most return to their declared position from shorter term absences such as minor surgeries or broken bones.

[Dry Guy]

Oh the returning pilot can just bid any position in the company their seniority can hold and that position is created for them? The contract made it seem like the CMSC decides with consideration given to their Declared Position. Or do they have to wait for company wide equipment bid and bid an opening?

[TheStig]

Oh the returning pilot can just bid any position in the company their seniority can hold and that position is created for them? The contract made it seem like the CMSC decides with consideration given to their Declared Position. Or do they have to wait for company wide equipment bid and bid an opening?

20.13.03 describes how the returning Pilot elects their position with respect to what they would have been eligible to hold with CMSC agreement. Every situation is different, so the language isn't definitive. However, Managers returning to the line abide by the same process as everyone else so nobody has any desire for return from inactive status to become a punitive process. If you have specific questions regarding your personal situation I'd suggest contacting an ACPA CMSC representative.

[acpaleaks]

IIRC Sept or Oct the special certificate from TC expires.

IIRC the special certificate was set to expire last Oct. and the company had it extended. They'll get it extended again as needed, if needed.

Gotcha, I must have been thinking back to last summer with the Oct date. I'll be honest the last two years has more or less all blended together.

[iflyroads]

IIRC Sept or Oct the special certificate from TC expires.

They'll get it extended again as needed, if needed.

Correct.

[Kosiw]

Maybe this news will help with recalls.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2021-07 ... -Countries

[Co-Joe Exotic]

Mmmmmm, nah.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 021-07-20/

[altiplano]

AC has enough pilots because with the scope clause giveaway in MOA2 most of this flying will go to Jazz.

Good job "Union".

[Dry Guy]

Mmmmmm, nah.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 021-07-20/

Who even puts out a press release like that unless you are trying to demoralize your pilot group for negotiations.

[acpaleaks]

Mmmmmm, nah.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 021-07-20/

Who even puts out a press release like that unless you are trying to demoralize your pilot group for negotiations.

Exactly. Sadly ACPA will believe them.

[alkaseltzer]

Mmmmmm, nah.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 021-07-20/

The author received free J class round trip passes.

Journalism is dead.

[200Above]

We will be the last furloughed group of pilots in Canada offered our positions back (are we already?).

Keep in mind we were also the first ones kicked to the curb with CERB. NHL.

I plead to ACPA to not do something stupid to get us on property quicker.... all the while taking further concessions. We’re already coming back to 10% less.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

We will be the last furloughed group of pilots in Canada offered our positions back (are we already?).

Keep in mind we were also the first ones kicked to the curb with CERB. NHL.

I plead to ACPA to not do something stupid to get us on property quicker.... all the while taking further concessions. We’re already coming back to 10% less.

Many pilots from many airlines are still furloughed. Many will not get their jobs back at all.

[JoeyBarton]

We will be the last furloughed group of pilots in Canada offered our positions back (are we already?).

Keep in mind we were also the first ones kicked to the curb with CERB. NHL.

I plead to ACPA to not do something stupid to get us on property quicker.... all the while taking further concessions. We’re already coming back to 10% less.

Before claiming acpa is disconnected, ask the bottom 10% at Transat if they feel they will get back before you. Ignorance is bliss.
So you already know you're on the cargo 767 to be coming back at -10%? Or the rest that hasn't changed?

[montado]

We will be the last furloughed group of pilots in Canada offered our positions back (are we already?).

Keep in mind we were also the first ones kicked to the curb with CERB. NHL.

I plead to ACPA to not do something stupid to get us on property quicker.... all the while taking further concessions. We’re already coming back to 10% less.

Before claiming acpa is disconnected, ask the bottom 10% at Transat if they feel they will get back before you. Ignorance is bliss.
So you already know you're on the cargo 767 to be coming back at -10%? Or the rest that hasn't changed?

It’s worse than a 10 percent pay cut. They will lose 2 years of top pay scale and have to eat up flat pay longer than expected. Those who started in 2019 might be on flat pay into 2025 and possibly longer.

Not what anyone signed up for, but I guess no one here signed up for the pandemic and how it’s impacted us all.

[acpaleaks]

We will be the last furloughed group of pilots in Canada offered our positions back (are we already?).

Keep in mind we were also the first ones kicked to the curb with CERB. NHL.

I plead to ACPA to not do something stupid to get us on property quicker.... all the while taking further concessions. We’re already coming back to 10% less.

Before claiming acpa is disconnected, ask the bottom 10% at Transat if they feel they will get back before you. Ignorance is bliss.
So you already know you're on the cargo 767 to be coming back at -10%? Or the rest that hasn't changed?

Are we comparing a vacation charter airline that has a hard time turning a profit to a legacy flag carrier again?