Vancouver Sun - BUY IT WEDNESDAY! SONIC BLUE SLAMMED......

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:36 pm

Spruce, its true that a lot of that goes on out there, but guess what? You do it, you get caught, you pay. Do you think "boss" will pay your legal bills? Does "boss" provide life/disability insurance? Can you ever get on with AC with a violation/criminal record? It IS your *ss on the line...I tell you to go in that bank and shoot the attendant and steal all the money, when you stood in front of the court, would you get off because you were told to do it?

Falsifying a log book is a criminal offense. Should I put that in capitals? Is it perfectly clear? Would you steal your customer's wallet? Steal his car? Think there's any difference, except that your "boss" is getting rich?

Do you think manufacturers arbitrarily put max gross weights on their products to screw up their customers? Do you think they wouldn't put higher gross weights on them if the a/c was capable of it?

Maybe you should shop your "boss" and live a long happy life, perhaps not in aviation, but you'll have a whole lot bigger chance to live to be old and funny-looking, and not only watch your kids grow up, but be able to feed, house and school them too.

airbear · Post by **airbear** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:24 pm

Vref plus 10 wrote:RUMOR HAS IT, THE VANCOUVER SUN IS GOING TO HAVE A SLAMMING ARTICILE FOR SONIC BLUE WEDNESDAY

(IF IT'S NOT IN, IT COULD BE THE DAY AFTER BUT IT WILL BE SOON)

It was not the Vancouver Sun, it was today's (Wednesday) The Province.

godsrcrazy · Post by **godsrcrazy** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:16 am

Sprcemonkey I could go on about your reply but i will just say this. Goahead do it Fly over loaded etc but when the shit hits the fan tell your freinds co workers and Family not to complain. Because you can walk away but you would not. Hell working at McDonalds is better then slamming into the ground.

peterparka · Post by **peterparka** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:25 am

I like this topic -- I agree NO ONE FORCED THEM TO WORK FOR THAT PAY -- Maybe they have money saved, rich parents, part time job at Mc`ds. They chose to work there, And if there are problems they chose to STAY. Plenty of good companies, but they wanted to jump start their carreer by paying for it. It might be the way to go for some that may never make it in the industry any other way.

scabber · Post by **scabber** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:42 am

Any sonic blue pilots, or pilots in general who are concerned with the operation of low end shady operations should email ...

lgrindlay@png.canwest.com

she is a reporter, and I am sure she will bring things to light!

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:27 pm

Just Saw Mr. Hugget on the BCTV News tonight. He has requested that HRDC / CCRA look into RXX Airs finances Re: Paying there pilots. He went on to talk about pilots working for free just to get their hours. I thought it was funny when the reporter said "So these pilots are working for free??" After the stroy Tony Parsons had a bewilderd look on his face even more than usual.

Mr. Hugget gets my nod for New Transport Minister.!!

otis-dad · Post by **otis-dad** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:39 pm

Ed's story going international

http://www.eastbournetoday.co.uk/ViewAr ... ID=1330462

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:33 pm

Hmm, look who flew today...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CGYYK

Another interesting thing I found on flightaware...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKK451

ziggy · Post by **ziggy** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:20 pm

Another smart move. I'm guessing that the Caravan in question is one belonging to Skylink that was brought in by UPS to cover a run. Not a real smart move on Skylink's part, in my humble opinion. Vancouver to the interior can be a real bitch for icing in the winter, but hey, if you can make a buck. Kinda sounds like SonicBlue. When i saw their Caravan in YLW, all i could think was, what a bunch of fucking idiots.

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:39 am

Skylink is a solid operation, with experienced pilots, have good maintenance, and is far superior to sonic blue. And UPS wouldn't require skylink to dispatch the flight in weather beyond the capabilities of the aircraft. you really shouldn't post comments like that when you know nothing of the company (at least it sounds that way since you compare them to sb).

and no, i don't work there. but it wouldn't be too bad of a gig. it is in a completely different league from sonic blue/international express/regency.

marktheone · Post by **marktheone** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:31 am

Go Guns wrote:Hmm, look who flew today...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CGYYK

That airplane has a new owner and it's nothing to do with sonicboom.

ziggy · Post by **ziggy** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:13 am

I have nothing against skylink, i too think they are a fairly good company. But bringing that kind of plane into the interior in winter. That is a sonicblue move. Morningstar won't do it with theirs on a near perfect day. They are too smart for that. Even before the winnipeg crrash, they would only go on an almost perfect day

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:26 am

mark the one wrote:
Go Guns wrote:
Hmm, look who flew today...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CGYYK

That airplane has a new owner and it's nothing to do with sonicboom.

Ahh, TC's website was still saying Regency owns it. So who's the new proud owner?

Babel Fish · Post by **Babel Fish** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:49 am

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:49 pm

does mornigstar do runs into the interior? If so, what equip do they use? I didn't know they had anything but caravans in YVR. which begs the question, what would be a good aircraft for runs to YLW, YKA, penticton, etc? maybe a 1900C? don't really need that kind of speed, or size, though. maybe a PC12?

ziggy · Post by **ziggy** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:38 pm

No morningstar does not run regular runs into the interior. and yes, the interior is busy enough to warrant bigger aircraft. Like the metros and convairs that fly freight in their every day. and quite often speed is an issue. block times etc. And yes, a 1900 would be a good size aircraft for some interior runs, maybe even a little on the small size for a few of the companies. keep trying. i realize you are a caravan driver, or were, but i have spent a lot of time in the mountains, a lot of it in ice, and the caravan does not belong in the interior in winter. i have friends that have flown the caravan and they all said it was not a fun plane in ice. and that was in the prairies, where you can almost land the thing anywhere.

unregistered · Post by **unregistered** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:43 pm

Morningstar won't do it with theirs on a near perfect day. They are too smart for that.

That's because MorningStar don't own their aeroplanes. FedEx do. So put your praise there.

MorningStar would probably send one out there if a) They owned their Caravans, and b) Someone offered the right price.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:09 pm

sprucemonkey wrote: Why does the pilot what?????

If the pilot is treated like shit why does he stay at the company that treats him like shit?

There better?

tumbleweed · Post by **tumbleweed** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:59 pm

Guys and Gals,

I am tired of hearing poor pressured pilot. Almost every company I worked for tried to pressure me into doing something I didn't want to do. For example I was in a southern airport with a doctor, I called the boss saying i could not get back north because there was no destination or alternates. The boss said son well if a guy would just------ i responded with how the accident report would sound--- a low time navajo driver left x airport ifr without an alternate and ended up in the tree's. He said well ah um why don't you wait until tommorrow. three days later got back home. There was no reprocusions from that employer and they were a very unreputalble spot according to this site. If I wasn't even punished for my actions no one else will have any problems.

Hey new guys protect your ass, you licence, then your job. If you protect the second everything else will follow nicely

1LostPilot · Post by **1LostPilot** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:02 pm

Skylink is a solid operation, with experienced pilots, have good maintenance, and is far superior to sonic blue. And UPS wouldn't require skylink to dispatch the flight in weather beyond the capabilities of the aircraft. you really shouldn't post comments like that when you know nothing of the company (at least it sounds that way since you compare them to sb).

Wallypilot

With regard to the above statement, what on earth are you talking about? Skylink being "superior" to SB doesn't make a blind bit of difference in this case. Its a van, and its not made to fly the YVR-YLW route in the winter with the en route MEA and the ice and shit weather that you can get in the space of that 170 miles. As for UPS not requiring Skylink to dispatch the flight in weather beyond the a/c capabilities, believe me my friend that is the last of their concerns.

No vans into the interior in the winter from the coast. That is the solution. I am shocked that an operator is choosing to send that a/c up there on a daily basis after all the recent media coverage on the icing issues. Unless buddy is prepared to fly at FL200+ on some days to keep out of the ice, he is putting himself in a lot of potential danger.

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:30 pm

double post

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:31 pm

your point is well taken 1lp, and I agree with you that the van is the wrong a/c, especially given the current goings on. As you say, I have flown the van, and wouldn't want to be in ice over the mtns, or be forced to dead stick into the hills. Even though I live in YVR, I have never really flown much there, and so am unfamiliar with the specifics of cargo demand, etc. regardless of demand, however the appropriate a/c should be used. I think you are on to something with the proposal of no caravans into the interior in the winter on the west coast.

ils09 · Post by **ils09** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:48 pm

I just heard from a friend at SB that the boss there is taking a vacation to hawaii in the next few days.

Now that takes balls!

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