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canadianpilot101 wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:32 pm
avi8tr1364 wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:09 am
nynybear wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:29 pm It's easy to research and you'll find that Flair only leases 25% of their aircraft from 777 Partners but hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good (AC, WJ fuelled) story. Some of you haters posting here need to get a life. Image if the government shuts down an airline for not taking their NOT offered bailout! Meanwhile my hard earned tax dollars go to bailing out the 2 most greedy airlines in the western hemisphere. More airlines = more pilot/FA/engineer etc... jobs. It's a good thing so relax.
The first 13 Max's are leased from 777 Partners, and it looks like with an option to lease a minimum of 24 Max's from 777 Partners. Not sure who owns the 3 NG's.

https://skiesmag.com/news/entrepreneuri ... disruptor/
This is incorrect information
You are correct. There are only 14 aircraft on register for Flair at the moment.

https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2/ ... hSimp.aspx
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Some emotional arguments ostensibly from Flair crowd which is understandable, but in final analysis none of it matters. Imagine if it were United pumping billions into Air Canada, and controlling its board, you will likely feel differently. The issue is control of the airline and its board, not what percentage of its aircraft are leased from them, and 777 controls Flair and its board! Flair knowingly broke the law, and there will be a consequence for it. If that will in the form of cancelling its AOC, the public will still have a lot of other choices and its staff can be absorbed by others hiring.
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goingmissed wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:28 pm
rooster wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:59 pm
elite wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:15 pm The comments from Flair seem to indicate they have been in breach of the law for some time and they have known it too. It is ridiculous that they expect to have an additional year and half at the expense of every other airline to further expand and consolidate. Is Flair a real business that has to profit and grow, or does it it just have to make lease payments to 777 while it no doubt amasses hundreds of millions in debt to Canadian companies that supply it what it needs and then someday will be left holding the bag when it files for bankruptcy protection, meanwhile 777 has collected all its lease payments?!

Then there’s the issue of foreign ownership which if changed for one company, will have to be changed for all, and that would make all Canadian airlines vulnerable to take overs overnight. Is accommodating Flair in its private business with an American leasing company worth that much risk for the whole country? There doesn’t seem to be a problem for other airlines!! Good night Flair seems to be right! If a company breaks the law, it has to suffer the consequences.
The sourness from some of you. So other airlines in Canada get money from the government, and Flair got nothing. 777 partners was there financially. You think Flair was going to say "no it's not right, it's not fair"? Nah. They were in survival mode when the government turned their back. I say they are responsible and the rest of you need to calm the eff down. This has created jobs in Canada for pilots. Why you mad bro? Freakin canadian pilots. Selfish group eh?
You might as well sign your post off with "a pissed off Flair pilot."

The regulations are there for a reason and unfortunately, it's not just those who are choosing to violate them that are going to be hurt.

I am sorry that you might get the short end of the stick.
As an average Canadian who benefits from lower prices from Flair, along with them hiring many people which has greatly helped the piloting profession, I say....give them a year and a half OR take my taxpayers money back from their competitors.

Think of the minor indiscretion by Flair as the corporate version of all those who got CERB from the government that didn't qualify. Ok, eventually, some will have to comply but no big deal, right?
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pelmet wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:28 pm
As an average Canadian who benefits from lower prices from Flair, along with them hiring many people which has greatly helped the piloting profession, I say....give them a year and a half OR take my taxpayers money back from their competitors.

Think of the minor indiscretion by Flair as the corporate version of all those who got CERB from the government that didn't qualify. Ok, eventually, some will have to comply but no big deal, right?
I disagree with your opinion that it's no big deal, but I cannot argue that Flair is helping offer affordable travel to the masses.
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Wouldn’t all of these things being contested have been previously approved by the CTA as they were set up? Seems to me like this is just noise to get “Flair bad” into people’s heads.
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lownslow wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:24 pm Wouldn’t all of these things being contested have been previously approved by the CTA as they were set up? Seems to me like this is just noise to get “Flair bad” into people’s heads.
The Flair AOC was a pre-existing AOC carried forward in to the new operation. However, I am assuming that each corporate identity change (i.e. Flair Air to Flair Airlines) would have triggered at a minimum a cursory review by the CTA for regulatory compliance.

Compliance with CTA statutes is not a ‘snapshot’. It is a window that remains open. An AOC holder must at all times be compliant.

The facts of this case make it clear that there were changes over time. What is being seemingly asserted by the CTA is that circa April 2022, Flair is non-compliant. Flair was given an opportunity to demonstrate that assertion was inaccurate. Flair responded. And now the clock is ticking.

I still believe the CTA will propose a remedy (no, not some 18 month grace period). It will affect the Flair BOD. It will effect control. It will affect the amount of influence held by 777 Partners. And it will be compliant with the requirements of a CDN AOC holder.
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elite wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:39 am Some emotional arguments ostensibly from Flair crowd which is understandable, but in final analysis none of it matters. Imagine if it were United pumping billions into Air Canada, and controlling its board, you will likely feel differently. The issue is control of the airline and its board, not what percentage of its aircraft are leased from them, and 777 controls Flair and its board! Flair knowingly broke the law, and there will be a consequence for it. If that will in the form of cancelling its AOC, the public will still have a lot of other choices and its staff can be absorbed by others hiring.
If it helps you understand, think of it as the tax payer pumping money into AC: every time they go CCAA. Except it’s not the tax payer, it’s free market economics. Beyond that, the issue is board seats not money. That should hopefully help…
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Rudder beat me to it LnS. Initial compliance would have been established through their existing OC. Then the submission for financing and control in compliance with foreign ownership rules, etc were all good.

This investigation of Control In Fact is much less tangible than the basic surface adherence, such as installing tractable board members, possibly executives, etc.

I predict this will end in findings and actions required, but only in line with compliancy for Flair. No gross actions of shutdowns or anything. How that bodes for the partnership with 777 is a wildcard, as will be suits from competitors.
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Flairpilot wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:47 am If it helps you understand, think of it as the tax payer pumping money into AC: every time they go CCAA. Except it’s not the tax payer, it’s free market economics. Beyond that, the issue is board seats not money. That should hopefully help…
The ‘tax payer’ (I assume you mean Federal government) did not pump even one penny in to AC either as bridge financing (GECAS was the debtor-in-possession lender during the 18 month restructuring period) nor as the equity sponsor (Cerberus Capital) allowing AC to exit CCAA.

I also do not believe that the Federal Government was on the list of unsecured creditors whom all ended up with equity in ACE Holdings, although a federal agency or corporation may have been on the list of hundreds of unsecured creditors associated with what was at the time the second largest CCAA restructuring in Canada.

It is all a matter of record.
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Flair has received 11.3 millions government funding to date. 3 millions from federal economic development agency of southern Ontario in April 2021 and 8.3 from western economic diversification in August 2021. The funding from 777 was being advanced at the same time Flair was taking funding from the government. It is ridiculous to suggest breaking foreign ownership and control laws is no big deal. it is and every other airline follows them.
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elite wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:39 am Flair has received 11.3 millions government funding to date. 3 millions from federal economic development agency of southern Ontario in April 2021 and 8.3 from western economic diversification in August 2021. The funding from 777 was being advanced at the same time Flair was taking funding from the government. It is ridiculous to suggest breaking foreign ownership and control laws is no big deal. it is and every other airline follows them.
It’s weird that all of you guys insist that flair broke the law. There has been no verdict, and the media isn’t accurately reporting the whole situation and sensationalizing the situation. Heck, 777 partners only leases less than 6 737 max aircrafts, with individual lessors also leasing out the rest.
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Canadian aviation industry opposes Flair Airlines’ bid for 18-month exemption from ownership rules
https://airlinecouncil.ca/canadas-major ... -airlines/
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That Flair is in breach of foreign ownership and control laws has already been presented by the CTA in its ruling, but instead of replying to it and taking concrete steps to bring itself into compliance, Flair has tried to request a year and half more advantage over its competitors from another government agency, the minister of Transport!

More developments:

More news: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busines ... -18-month/


Canadian aviation industry opposes Flair Airlines’ bid for 18-month exemption from ownership rules

ERIC ATKINSTRANSPORTATION REPORTER
PUBLISHED 6 HOURS AGO

A large swath of Canada’s aviation sector said on Tuesday it opposes Edmonton-based Flair Airlines’ appeal to the government to be temporarily exempt from Canadian ownership requirements.

The Canadian Transportation Agency has issued a preliminary finding that Flair might be controlled by a U.S. investor in violation of Canadian laws, and has given the airline until May 3 to make changes or face the possible loss of its operating licence. Flair has asked Transport Canada for an 18-month exemption to the regulations to address the regulator’s objections.

Two aviation industry groups, representing Air Canada, WestJet and several other companies, on Tuesday released a joint statement opposing Flair’s request for an exemption.

“If granted, this unprecedented request would allow Flair to continue operating outside the bounds of existing Canadian law, setting a troubling precedent while also threatening consumer confidence in the sector, at a time when the travel industry is working hard to provide a strong and sustainable future for air travel for Canadians,” said the statement from the National Airlines Council and the Air Transport Association of Canada.

Flair Airlines could lose operating licence after Canadian control of company questioned

To operate as a domestic airline, a company’s foreign investment cannot exceed 49 per cent or 25 per cent by a single entity. Nor can a non-Canadian exert control over the airline, a situation the CTA calls “control in fact.”

The CTA’s investigation found Flair’s 25-per-cent owner, Miami’s 777 Partners, holds “dominant” influence over the airline by being a large lender and provider of leased aircraft. Three of Flair’s five directors are connected to 777 Partners. “Flair’s dependence on 777 for financing, and 777′s ability and apparent willingness to exert its control over Flair, are strong indicators that Flair is controlled in fact by 777,” the CTA said in its preliminary decision released on March 3.

John McKenna, head of the Air Transport Association of Canada, said his members are not trying to shut down Flair, but want a “level playing field” as the sector tries to emerge from the deep financial losses of the pandemic. “We’re saying, ‘Play along by the same rules as everyone else,’” Mr. McKenna said by phone.

The National Airlines Council represents Canada’s biggest airlines: Air Canada, Air Transat, Jazz Aviation and WestJet. The Air Transport Association of Canada speaks for about 65 airlines and more than 100 related companies, including Porter Airlines, PAL Airlines and Nolinor Aviation.

The industry groups said their members are ready to mitigate the impact on workers and travellers of a possible shutdown or licence suspension of Flair by flying home stranded passengers or through other measures.

Tuesday’s joint release from the industry groups said domestic control of an airline is not merely “nice to have,” but an essential requirement that ensures the airline is committed to Canada, its routes and the industry’s viability.

By failing to comply with basic, long-standing Canadian ownership and control rules, Flair places considerable uncertainty on the shoulders of travelers, potentially leaving them stranded without a backstop,” the group’s statement said.

Flair issued a statement accusing the industry groups of spreading fear and confusion in the marketplace.

“It’s no surprise that Canada’s big air carriers want Canadians to pay more for airfare, sow confusion with passengers and eliminate the competition,” the statement said. “No matter how much they want to take us down, Flair is here to stay.”

The airline, in its application to the government for the exemption, said the loss or suspension of its licence would be bad for travellers, its employees and contractors. Flair said its low fares offer affordable travel, and connect communities not well served by other airlines, and that it is confident it will address a majority of the CTA’s concerns by May 3. But it added: “There are a number of practical reasons why Flair requires more time to comprehensively address the CTA’s concerns, as Canadian air travel returns to normal levels following the challenges presented by the COVID-19 pandemic.”

Flair did not address requests from The Globe and Mail to explain these reasons.

Transport Canada is holding a public interest assessment on Flair’s exemption request, collecting submissions from interested parties. The deadline for submissions was on April 18.

WestJet, in its submission to Transport Canada on Flair, said it would be inappropriate for the transport minister to grant an exemption and intervene in the jurisdiction of the CTA, an independent quasi-judicial body.

“Other than its deliberate violation of the law, there is simply nothing unique about Flair,” WestJet said. “If Flair’s licence were suspended or cancelled, other Canadian airlines – that respect the legislative requirements for holding domestic licences – will fill the gap and provide comparable competition, local service and jobs.”

The CTA has declined to comment on Flair’s request to Transport Canada.

Flair’s chief executive officer, Stephen Jones, is scheduled to hold a web-streamed press conference on Thursday to address the CTA’s investigation.

The Globe has reported Flair owed $129-million to 777 Partners in late 2020. The investor took a stake in Flair in 2019. In early 2021, Flair said it would lease 13 Boeing 737 Max planes from 777 Partners, a fleet that would grow to 50 in five years.
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About the National Airlines Council of Canada:

The National Airlines Council of Canada represents Canada’s largest national and international passenger air carriers: Air Canada, Air Transat, Jazz Aviation LP and WestJet.

Just what the heck exactly did you think they would say? 🙄

And sadly that is a 'large swath' of Canada's aviation sector.
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Boeingman wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:04 pm
elite wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:39 am Flair has received 11.3 millions government funding to date. 3 millions from federal economic development agency of southern Ontario in April 2021 and 8.3 from western economic diversification in August 2021. The funding from 777 was being advanced at the same time Flair was taking funding from the government. It is ridiculous to suggest breaking foreign ownership and control laws is no big deal. it is and every other airline follows them.
It’s weird that all of you guys insist that flair broke the law. There has been no verdict, and the media isn’t accurately reporting the whole situation and sensationalizing the situation. Heck, 777 partners only leases less than 6 737 max aircrafts, with individual lessors also leasing out the rest.
Your right, their is no verdict yet. However there will be one soon, and I'm sure we are all very very curious to see its outcome. And while you are right that many are probably over reporting on this situation, it seems to me that maybe your down playing it a bit? 777 partners currently has majority control over flairs board, 25 percent stake in the company, is it's basically sole financial supporter (as flairs other major stake holder is currently sueing the company ) and is leasing almost flairs entire fleet (flair was only operating 3 tails before 777 came in).

So if you do the math, 777 has majority board control, controls the flow of money for the company, and owns a vast majority of its fleet. It definitely is a cause for concern, and absolutely a solid case for the "control in fact" legal argument. The worst case scenario here is that Flair loses its operating certificate, and with flairs assorted history I really do not think TC is gunna give them any extensions or free passes. If I was working at Flair, I would.be very concerned. Especially with how they just asked for an 18 month extension, this obviously shows that Flair is not in a good position to disprove these allegations at this time. And if they cant disprove it, is that not a pritty good indicator that they maybe guilty?
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1. F8 currently leases only 5 of their aircraft from 777 Partners.

2. 777 occupies 3 of the 12 available seats on the Board (7 vacant).

3. F8 is not yet required to repay 777.

4. F8 is in fact Canadian owned.

5. 18 month delay request is to shift debt and wait for a more favourable market environment to launch the IPO.

6. Thats why the 'large swath' of Canada's aviation sector (2 companies with their own skeletons) are in opposition to the extension and are fuelling the media and daytime TV watchers who post here.
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nynybear wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:16 am 1. F8 currently leases only 5 of their aircraft from 777 Partners.

2. 777 occupies 3 of the 12 available seats on the Board (7 vacant).

3. F8 is not yet required to repay 777.

4. F8 is in fact Canadian owned.

5. 18 month delay request is to shift debt and wait for a more favourable market environment to launch the IPO.

6. Thats why the 'large swath' of Canada's aviation sector (2 companies with their own skeletons) are in opposition to the extension and are fuelling the media and daytime TV watchers who post here.
1. (5 + 7)/(13 current + 7 addition by 'Summer 2022') aircraft = 60%
2. 3/(12-7) = 60%
3. I'm not yet required to pay my back taxes
4. That is up for debate
5. Not going to happen with current allegations of willfully flouting ownership and control rules
6. Absolutely true, but still whataboutism.
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goingmissed wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:49 am 1. (5 + 7)/(13 current + 7 addition by 'Summer 2022') aircraft = 60%
2. 3/(12-7) = 60%
3. I'm not yet required to pay my back taxes
4. That is up for debate
5. Not going to happen with current allegations of willfully flouting ownership and control rules
6. Absolutely true, but still whataboutism.
So currently, (not some future that could happen);

1. 5/13 = 38%
2. 3/12 = 25%
3. If the debt repayment isn't currently required, then it isn't an example of control, can revenue Canada come after you for 2022 taxes now?
4. Onex is mostly owned by Americans and its board is mostly American, yet somehow that's ok to the CTA
5. Quoting that Air Canada and Westjet don't like it by saying that the association that they are the only members of doesn't like it holds about as much weight as when ATAC lobbied against the new safer duty regs. Duh of course they don't want competition.
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co-joe wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:29 am
goingmissed wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:49 am 1. (5 + 7)/(13 current + 7 addition by 'Summer 2022') aircraft = 60%
2. 3/(12-7) = 60%
3. I'm not yet required to pay my back taxes
4. That is up for debate
5. Not going to happen with current allegations of willfully flouting ownership and control rules
6. Absolutely true, but still whataboutism.
So currently, (not some future that could happen);

1. 5/13 = 38%
2. 3/12 = 25%
3. If the debt repayment isn't currently required, then it isn't an example of control, can revenue Canada come after you for 2022 taxes now?
4. Onex is mostly owned by Americans and its board is mostly American, yet somehow that's ok to the CTA
5. Quoting that Air Canada and Westjet don't like it by saying that the association that they are the only members of doesn't like it holds about as much weight as when ATAC lobbied against the new safer duty regs. Duh of course they don't want competition.
The "future that could happen" is happening. The aircraft are already built and the leases signed.

* Edit: after briefly looking into the new aircraft, I am uncertain where the aircraft are coming from. I am unable to confirm whether there is anything more than a press release regarding additional aircraft.

1. 60% based on 2022 numbers that will happen unless the CTA intervenes.
2. 60% because if there are 5 filled board seats and 3 of them are under the control of a single entity, that entity has 3/5 of the votes
3. A loan is a loan is a loan. It's not a gift.
4. Whataboutism. With that said, Onex is headquartered in Toronto with a CEO who was born in Manitoba and lives in Toronto.
5. Still true and still whataboutism.
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Loans are permitted to be held by foreigners. The structure of the loan is what the CTA will look at and if that structure permits the foreigner to exert undue control.

Leases - 777 purchased in bulk in order to establish a deep discount. The aircraft they have purchased are not only going to Flair but to other airlines as well. As the aircraft are leased to airlines those aircraft are SOLD by 777 to other lessors (at a profit). The sale of leases is very common as NO lessor will lease more than a handful of aircraft to one company as the risk is high. Look at any airline and their leases will be spread across many lessors.

Finally, the CTA does NOT shut down an airline if they determine, based on their investigation and based on the nebulous concept of control in fact, that the airline is offside. Instead their expectation is that the airline is informed of HOW they are offside and asked to provide a plan to move the company towards the CTA ruling regarding compliance. It is only if a company refuses to or is unable to move to compliance that the CTA will enforce their order.



goingmissed wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:45 am
co-joe wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:29 am
goingmissed wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:49 am 1. (5 + 7)/(13 current + 7 addition by 'Summer 2022') aircraft = 60%
2. 3/(12-7) = 60%
3. I'm not yet required to pay my back taxes
4. That is up for debate
5. Not going to happen with current allegations of willfully flouting ownership and control rules
6. Absolutely true, but still whataboutism.
So currently, (not some future that could happen);

1. 5/13 = 38%
2. 3/12 = 25%
3. If the debt repayment isn't currently required, then it isn't an example of control, can revenue Canada come after you for 2022 taxes now?
4. Onex is mostly owned by Americans and its board is mostly American, yet somehow that's ok to the CTA
5. Quoting that Air Canada and Westjet don't like it by saying that the association that they are the only members of doesn't like it holds about as much weight as when ATAC lobbied against the new safer duty regs. Duh of course they don't want competition.
The "future that could happen" is happening. The aircraft are already built and the leases signed.

* Edit: after briefly looking into the new aircraft, I am uncertain where the aircraft are coming from. I am unable to confirm whether there is anything more than a press release regarding additional aircraft.

1. 60% based on 2022 numbers that will happen unless the CTA intervenes.
2. 60% because if there are 5 filled board seats and 3 of them are under the control of a single entity, that entity has 3/5 of the votes
3. A loan is a loan is a loan. It's not a gift.
4. Whataboutism. With that said, Onex is headquartered in Toronto with a CEO who was born in Manitoba and lives in Toronto.
5. Still true and still whataboutism.
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https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/yqg-travelle ... -1.5870802

Flair Airlines CEO Stephen Jones came out swinging against “Big Air” Thursday during a news conference about regulatory review.

“There is zero chance Flair will lose its licence on May the third,” says Jones. “The May third deadline that’s been widely reported in the media is not a drop dead date.”

Jones says Flair has until that date to respond to the Canadian Transportation Agency (CTA) over their review of the ultra-low cost carriers’ corporate governance and finances.

In a review launched on March 3, the CTA wrote, “Flair may not be controlled in fact by Canadians and may, therefore, not be ‘Canadian’, as defined in the Canada Transportation Act, SC 1996, c 10.”

In order to be a licensed domestic airline, the company must be incorporated in Canada and at least 51 per cent of voting interests must be owned and controlled by Canadians, according to the CTA.

Jones says 58 per cent of the voting shares in Flair are owned by Canadians and no non-Canadian owns more than 25 per cent of the airline.

Flair Airlines, according to Jones, is incorporated in British Columbia.

“The CTA accepts that non-Canadians are entitled to take steps to protect the value of their investment,” says Jones. “The CTA raised concerns regarding requirements within Flair’s governing documents to ensure that Canadian control of decision-making is maintained.”

Jones says the CTA “called out the depth” of Flairs’ relationship with a company called 777 Partners, one of their creditors, shareholders and aircraft lessors.

777 Partners is based in Miami, which Jones says helped Flair Airlines stay afloat during the pandemic.

“777 Partners never used the fact that they were providing us cash to exert day-to-day control. As CEO, I run Flair Airlines only with my management team and the more than 700 people working hard every day for Flair,” says Jones.

Jones says Flair did get some emergency funding to grow regional connectivity but says the airline was never a part of the “billions and billions” of bailout funding provided to other carriers like Air Canada or West Jet.

“Instead we turned to our shareholders to survive and 777 Partners provided a lifeline to protect thousands of jobs from coast-to-coast,” says Jones.

He says it’s a priority to repay the debt by running a successful airline, refinancing some loans and ultimately listing Flair on the Toronto Stock Exchange.

Jones says they have already repaid $18 million to 777 Partners but adds, “the refinancing of the balance of the debt will take some time and it is for this reason alone that we have sought a time-bound, 18-month exemption from the Ministry of Transport.”

In terms of governance, Jones says CTA found their “Unanimous Shareholders Agreement did not enforce Canadian control explicitly enough.”

He says the board agreed the document, created in 2018, needed revisions to clarify that Flair is indeed controlled by Canadians.

In a new agreement, ratified by the board last week, Jones says 777 Partners lost their veto power and can only appoint two directors to the board, down from three.

Flair’s board will also now have nine total members; seven Canadians and two non-Canadians.


“777 Partners wholeheartedly supported the changes and this amended Unanimous Shareholders Agreement will form part of Flairs’ response to CTA on May the third,” says Jones.

Jones believes these changes should ease at least 80 per cent of the CTA’s concerns with their operation.

When asked his opinion of Air Canada and West Jet publicly denouncing the payment exemption, Jones told reporters he’s not surprised by the actions of what he calls “big air.”

“These guys have been ripping off the Canadian public for decades,” says Jones. “When I go out and talk to people everybody’s complaining about their duopoly. So don’t be surprised that they get defensive when a company that’s genuinely efficient at providing low-cost airfares comes into the market. It’s a threat to their existence.”

In an eight-page letter to the CTA, Air Passenger Rights talks about this duopoly seen here.

Gabor Lukacs notes Air Canada and West Jet have received at least 90 per cent of the market share on flights in Canada between 2014 and 2019.

“The entry of a new competitor in such a highly concentrated market undoubtedly increases competition and lowers fares,” writes Lukacs who says Flair’s predecessor airline (NewLeaf) forced a 23 per cent reduction in fares in Canada.

Jones was asked about public criticism of Flair’s customer service and changes to flight plans.

“There’s also issues Flair has had that I would describe as growing pains,” says Jones. “There’s an industry-wide shortage of staff, in particular the on-ground staff.”

Jones admits their customer service department needed some help and says they have now boosted their staff from 10 to more than 70 working in customer service.

“I don’t claim that we’re perfect but I apologize to those people who we have disappointed,” says Jones.

Officals CTA said they will not comment as the matter is before the agency. Windsor International Airport could not be reached for comment.

Here is the full statement by the CTA about Flair:

The Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) issued March 3rd, 2022 its preliminary determination that Flair may not be controlled in fact by Canadians and may, therefore, not be ‘’Canadian’’, as defined in the Canada Transportation Act, SC 1996, c 10.

Flair holds licenses authorizing domestic, scheduled international, and non-scheduled international air services. Pursuant to the Act, Flair must be Canadian to provide these air services. Three requirements must be met for an air carrier to be considered Canadian: (1) the incorporation or formation requirement, (2) the voting interest requirement, and (3) the control in fact requirement.

The Agency has provided Flair with the opportunity to respond, no later than 60 calendar days from the date of issuance. At the end of the review process, the Agency will issue a final public determination with reasons and its conclusions, which will be posted on its website.

The Agency does not comment on its determinations as they speak for themselves.
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Anything that quotes Gabor Luckaks makes me viscerally wretch in revulsion.
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DanWEC wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:13 pm Anything that quotes Gabor Luckaks makes me viscerally wretch in revulsion.
Isn't he still on Flair's payroll working as a consultant? Everything that comes out of his mouth at this point should be recognized as being clearly biased, not that he had much credibility to begin with.
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Cavalier44 wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:56 am
DanWEC wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:13 pm Anything that quotes Gabor Luckaks makes me viscerally wretch in revulsion.
Isn't he still on Flair's payroll working as a consultant? Everything that comes out of his mouth at this point should be recognized as being clearly biased, not that he had much credibility to begin with.
He is not.
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