lidi wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:35 am
I thought we were talking about the demand of flight instructors, oh well!
Lol same. I thought this forum had pilots who could help each other out and be civilised not children fighting over the internet...
I keep hearing stories of how hard it is to get instructors. I see there being massive demad for them in the next year, but there are a couple issues creeping up that may make it harder to get teaching.
One, Transport Canada who routinely sets the bar lower than ever thought possible with their "level of service" has reached a new low with medical, raic, and new license processing times. Between students who can't solo because they've been waiting 6 months for their medical, and fully licensed students who's temporary license have expired with no ADB on its way. This screws a lot of things up and dissuades a lot of potential students. There's only so much dual you can do before it becomes counter productive.
And two, airlines are hiring instructors as fast as they can be trained, the problem is they hire all the class 2's and 3's first and so there's nobody to supervise 4's or the 3's are maxed out and can't supervise more 4's. As soon as they train one or two, off to Jazz, and Encore they go.
I keep reading about instructor shortage but is it going to get even worse within the next year or so? Also it would be nice to hear what types of jobs instructors do eventually end up with after instructing for a while with this whole shortage of pilots situation.
In my day, you had 2 choices, work the ramp, or instruct (assuming you didn't "know someone"). If you instructed you got to skip the ramp and go straight to the right seat of a King Air, or left seat of a single like the 206. Now having a thousand hours of instructing takes you straight to the 705 airlines namely Jazz and Encore, Pasco, and others.
Note: I may be off with my memory of who can supervise who, I thought a class 3 can supervise a class 4 but it's been almost 20 years since I was an instructor. Photofly usually corrects my lack of memory/ knowledge.
An instructor has to be class 2 or 1 in order to supervise a class 4.
We are definitely seeing the class 2s and 1s being hired away from instructing. Some upgrades to class 2, very few make it to class 1 before leaving. This is going to impact ability to train new class 4s.
How is the demand for instructors these days? I’ve started the process of renewing my expired class 4 and was wondering the job prospects in Ontario where I reside?
Just enquiring on the possibility and thanks again
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ellinas wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:45 am
How is the demand for instructors these days? I’ve started the process of renewing my expired class 4 and was wondering the job prospects in Ontario where I reside?
Just enquiring on the possibility and thanks again
Class 4s, like 200-500 hour CPLs, are a dime a dozen and always have been. You might not like hearing that, but it's the bitter reality that you need to be aware of.
You're ultimately a burden to any FTU if you are a Class 4 - and if they are going to have to deal with you and all the supervisory requirements, then ideally you'll be a brand-new Class 4 that they've trained (and have moulded to their liking) or be on the cusp of upgrading to a Class 3... and then you're actually a more attractive candidate. Although, if you're hopping ship from one FTU to another while on the cusp of upgrading then someone should be asking questions.
ellinas wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:45 am
How is the demand for instructors these days? I’ve started the process of renewing my expired class 4 and was wondering the job prospects in Ontario where I reside?
Just enquiring on the possibility and thanks again
What part of Ontario are you in?
GTA ( Hamilton)
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khedrei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:24 pm
This isn't hard. When you start training for your renewal, ask the flight school if they need instructors and would hire you when you renew.
Thanks for the advice, both schools I enquired won’t hire me as one is training 15 instructor candidates and the other is in the same boat.
Oh well, no worries I’ll get it done and see where that takes me. Hopefully someone will give an old man a chance.
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