DJ,
Where I live, you're only ever a strong wind and a piss from any given Starbucks.... LOL. Thankfully the good folks here seem to know good coffee when they see it and patronize local non-chain stores... But the Evil Emprire is coming...
We should discuss the economics of Organic Produce sometime... THAT'S an interesting situation.
STL
Air Mikisew Job posting
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On Air Mikisew and Fort McMurray:
Is the cost of living in Fort McMurray high? There is no question that it is.
Is 11.50 per hour low? Air Mikisew has to compete with airlines in Edmonton, Calgary, Fort Smith. Taco Time on Franklin pays $13 per hour but only has to compete with the folks in the Peter Pond mall. OTOH moving widgets from YXD to YMM involves a full leg and an empty leg. Starting the trip in YXD or YMM makes no difference. Airco and Air Mikisew have an equal abillity to fulfill the mission. Airco, however, has less fixed costs.
Aviation and Coffee sales are, and get ready to shit your pants, different industries.
I will say this about Air Mikisew, though. They have some very fine people. I would not count any of the staff as my best friend, but I will say that several of the staff are amongst the best of my friends. Many of the pilots with Air Mikisew started on the ground, suffered a challanging lifestyle, have grown and developed, and have achieved remarkable things. The bargin that Air Mikisew has offered so many people is an honest one. If you give them some time, some sincere effort, and some hard work, you'll get some hours, some pay, and a great deal of support in your desire to reach your goals. You will have some great fun along the way.
I *am* a bit frightened by Sky's business plan though. He'd have Air Mikisew pay $50,000 for a PA-31 FO. Then he'd realize that Air Mikisew would have to up its charter rates to about $15 per mile. Sadly this would mean that any given Customer would save about $1.5K by chartering an airline out of Edmonton. Air Mikisew would price themselves out of the market. The BOD would convene a meeting and realize that their investment is unsound. Cutting their losses, the business would go up for sale. One of two things would then happen: A) Someone would buy the business, roll back wages, and return to competative rates. or B) The airline would simply shut the doors and fold. The $50K/year Navajo FO would then either leave town with no hours and nowhere closer to his or her goals, or be forced to work at Taco Time for $13 per hour after giving up on aviation.
ATTN PEOPLE OF AVCANADA: The purpose of an airline is not that of a mechanism to allow you to fly airplanes. The purpose of an airline is to provide a service to a customer base in such a way as to not go out of business. Don't believe me? Ask some of the old Jetsgo or Skyward folks.
DD
Is the cost of living in Fort McMurray high? There is no question that it is.
Is 11.50 per hour low? Air Mikisew has to compete with airlines in Edmonton, Calgary, Fort Smith. Taco Time on Franklin pays $13 per hour but only has to compete with the folks in the Peter Pond mall. OTOH moving widgets from YXD to YMM involves a full leg and an empty leg. Starting the trip in YXD or YMM makes no difference. Airco and Air Mikisew have an equal abillity to fulfill the mission. Airco, however, has less fixed costs.
Aviation and Coffee sales are, and get ready to shit your pants, different industries.
I will say this about Air Mikisew, though. They have some very fine people. I would not count any of the staff as my best friend, but I will say that several of the staff are amongst the best of my friends. Many of the pilots with Air Mikisew started on the ground, suffered a challanging lifestyle, have grown and developed, and have achieved remarkable things. The bargin that Air Mikisew has offered so many people is an honest one. If you give them some time, some sincere effort, and some hard work, you'll get some hours, some pay, and a great deal of support in your desire to reach your goals. You will have some great fun along the way.
I *am* a bit frightened by Sky's business plan though. He'd have Air Mikisew pay $50,000 for a PA-31 FO. Then he'd realize that Air Mikisew would have to up its charter rates to about $15 per mile. Sadly this would mean that any given Customer would save about $1.5K by chartering an airline out of Edmonton. Air Mikisew would price themselves out of the market. The BOD would convene a meeting and realize that their investment is unsound. Cutting their losses, the business would go up for sale. One of two things would then happen: A) Someone would buy the business, roll back wages, and return to competative rates. or B) The airline would simply shut the doors and fold. The $50K/year Navajo FO would then either leave town with no hours and nowhere closer to his or her goals, or be forced to work at Taco Time for $13 per hour after giving up on aviation.
ATTN PEOPLE OF AVCANADA: The purpose of an airline is not that of a mechanism to allow you to fly airplanes. The purpose of an airline is to provide a service to a customer base in such a way as to not go out of business. Don't believe me? Ask some of the old Jetsgo or Skyward folks.
DD
You've finally made it in Aviation when you nolonger work in a city which begins with Fort, Port, Prince, or Saint. Or leave aviation and stay in a Fort.
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I wasn't aware I'd submitted an business plan....
But, what you're failing miserably in realizing is that the whole industry is charging rates that are appallingly low. From the airlines on down to the charter outfits, but don't make the mistake of equating airline customers with charter customers - they are not the same animal.
ESPECIALLY in Ft. McMurray, the rates for the Ho SHOULD be significantly higher, as they should be for every piece of machinery. The amount of money charged to the Oil companies by almost every other type of contractor is staggaring, unfortunately the aircraft charter companies haven't figured it out yet. In their desparation to have a/c flying, they are their own worst enemy.
Helicopter charter is better, but still way off the mark. There are several companies who DO NOT fly for less than an acceptable rate - and you can see those are the outfits with the best machinery, and the highest paid staff. If the charter world wasn't tripping all over themselves to offer services at ridiculously low rates, we'd be better off. But as you put so well:
"ATTN PEOPLE OF AVCANADA: The purpose of an airline is not that of a mechanism to allow you to fly airplanes."
Unfortunately, the owners of these outfits haven't figured that out yet either.
Oh, and I never suggested Ho f/o's should be making $50K, because I don't believe in flying them with two pilots - it's a single pilot machine....
STL
But, what you're failing miserably in realizing is that the whole industry is charging rates that are appallingly low. From the airlines on down to the charter outfits, but don't make the mistake of equating airline customers with charter customers - they are not the same animal.
ESPECIALLY in Ft. McMurray, the rates for the Ho SHOULD be significantly higher, as they should be for every piece of machinery. The amount of money charged to the Oil companies by almost every other type of contractor is staggaring, unfortunately the aircraft charter companies haven't figured it out yet. In their desparation to have a/c flying, they are their own worst enemy.
Helicopter charter is better, but still way off the mark. There are several companies who DO NOT fly for less than an acceptable rate - and you can see those are the outfits with the best machinery, and the highest paid staff. If the charter world wasn't tripping all over themselves to offer services at ridiculously low rates, we'd be better off. But as you put so well:
"ATTN PEOPLE OF AVCANADA: The purpose of an airline is not that of a mechanism to allow you to fly airplanes."
Unfortunately, the owners of these outfits haven't figured that out yet either.
Oh, and I never suggested Ho f/o's should be making $50K, because I don't believe in flying them with two pilots - it's a single pilot machine....
STL
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Nor are you aware that you're a moron. That's okay though brother, we can't all be born with the correct number of chromosomes.sky's the limit wrote:I wasn't aware I'd submitted an business plan....
STL
You've finally made it in Aviation when you nolonger work in a city which begins with Fort, Port, Prince, or Saint. Or leave aviation and stay in a Fort.
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Oh what? You finally figure out your brain is a bit smaller than you first thought? Sorry if your feelings are hurt, but some of us are a but busy to worry about babysitting the likes of you.
Give me a break pal, you obvisouly have no idea what you're talking about as it applies to the aviation industry - sounds to me that you've got no experience or exposure to the issues you're preaching about. So please do us all a favour and stay in your cubical or whatever office you happen to work.
Suffice it to say, I'm done with this one...
STL
Give me a break pal, you obvisouly have no idea what you're talking about as it applies to the aviation industry - sounds to me that you've got no experience or exposure to the issues you're preaching about. So please do us all a favour and stay in your cubical or whatever office you happen to work.
Suffice it to say, I'm done with this one...
STL
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I love the denizens of Avcanada, the warm fuzzy feeling high IQ discussions are something that makes my days so interesting...
....judging by some of the posters here a lot of pilots are over paid.
Not refering to you STL..
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....judging by some of the posters here a lot of pilots are over paid.
Not refering to you STL..
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
