Flair Pilots

[cdnavater]

I don’t think they were suggesting someone gets to bring their date of of hire along with them to any airline they wish to join, but rather one would be financially compensated for their experience level while still sliding in at the bottom of the list.

Yes, I very clearly said for pay, but as soon as you refer to DOH, people get their panties in a bunch and become stupid.

Do you think airlines care whether you have 5,000 or 25,000hrs? The result of your idea would be that as you gain experience you become less and less desirable for employment, because you’d become more and more expensive - the opposite of the outcome you’re hoping for.

No, the airline do NOT care, a bare ATPL will do them just fine, it’s up to us to care. It has been discussed in other threads and I firmly believe someone who comes to the company with 5000hrs should be paid more than 1500.
The problem becomes where to draw the line, maybe per 1000 PIC is one year step up to year 5, but the companies would certainly need convincing.
The reality is, the only thing that will increase pay for experienced pilots is the lack of them.

[Floop]

Yes, I very clearly said for pay, but as soon as you refer to DOH, people get their panties in a bunch and become stupid.

Do you think airlines care whether you have 5,000 or 25,000hrs? The result of your idea would be that as you gain experience you become less and less desirable for employment, because you’d become more and more expensive - the opposite of the outcome you’re hoping for.

No, the airline do NOT care, a bare ATPL will do them just fine, it’s up to us to care. It has been discussed in other threads and I firmly believe someone who comes to the company with 5000hrs should be paid more than 1500.
The problem becomes where to draw the line, maybe per 1000 PIC is one year step up to year 5, but the companies would certainly need convincing.
The reality is, the only thing that will increase pay for experienced pilots is the lack of them.

1000 PIC? 1000 turbine PIC? 1000 jet pic?

How do you quantify? Do you count 1000 hours instructor on the same level as a 1000 hour 737 SIC?

[cdnavater]

Do you think airlines care whether you have 5,000 or 25,000hrs? The result of your idea would be that as you gain experience you become less and less desirable for employment, because you’d become more and more expensive - the opposite of the outcome you’re hoping for.

No, the airline do NOT care, a bare ATPL will do them just fine, it’s up to us to care. It has been discussed in other threads and I firmly believe someone who comes to the company with 5000hrs should be paid more than 1500.
The problem becomes where to draw the line, maybe per 1000 PIC is one year step up to year 5, but the companies would certainly need convincing.
The reality is, the only thing that will increase pay for experienced pilots is the lack of them.

1000 PIC? 1000 turbine PIC? 1000 jet pic?

How do you quantify? Do you count 1000 hours instructor on the same level as a 1000 hour 737 SIC?

Ok, how bout multi-pic?
To answer your question, no, I did however prefer to hire multi-ifr instructors over equal time single engine bush pilots(sorry to offend bush pilots).
Same as the ATPL used to be, count SIC at 1/2 for the same formula.
But again, I realize no one cares and the only thing that will fix the wage problems is a shortage of skill, so I’m happy to let young pilots sort this out. I’m nearing the end of my career and although I was told back in 1990 that the shortage was coming, this is the first time it’s been close to reality.
One caveat, every time it’s been close over the last three decades, some type of economic catastrophe fixes it for the companies. Watch what happens in the US, the companies are already starting to report possible loses, if one of the big ones fail, shortage gone.
I would definitely not be moving right now if you have a good seat, strap in!

[the_new_guy]

Fellow aviators,

With all the uncertainty and speculation swirling around the industry in the last 48 hours and the many questions you all may have. I just wanted to create this thread in support of you and let you know that other pilots are hoping that positive news is the end result.

Regardless of the business model, you all have families and bills to take care of on the twilight of Covid, which was already decimating. As hard as it will be in the coming days and the noise that is in the media, take care of each other and try to limit any noise from interference in the flight deck. Focus on getting your passengers safely to destination.

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Figured I'd just remind everyone on this thread of what the intended goal was. This here .

To the original poster, thanks. It's much appreciated and classy of you.

I don't pretend this situation is resolved, but I do hope we pull through, and I think we will. I like the idea of flair, I enjoy working here and I'm not the exception. Day in and out pilots in the flight deck are great to fly with, bring in a positive vibe and are true professionals like I'm sure most other pilots flying for other airlines witness themselves just about everyday.

There's no difference between an AC, Westjet, Transat, Porter or Flair pilot. The colour on your plane, the business model, but that's it. That's the way I see it anyway. I wish all pilot groups get what they deserve, and get to have a career at their desired carrier.

Cheers