capt. poopy pants wrote:hey kflightcraft
first of all,smart ass,i don't work for cargojet but did for .....well,that place you love so much. i hope the plc contract goes back to your company and your 4000.00 profit sharing will soon be 4.00 when it comes tome to upgrade your fleet to meet demands. whats next for you!....dc8.

"PLC"? "Comes tome"?

Hope you fly better than you spell, Capt. P!!

WING IT wrote:What does Editted have to do with Flair?

Editted is the money behind Flair.

Editted rents office space from X, buys flight attendant services from X, buys flight dispatch from X, buys maintenance from X.

Have a look at the addresses on the recent job posting from Flair.

It's the same bloody address!!!!

My God, how clueless can you people be!!!!

Editted by JC

Recent job posting show Flair looking for 737NG crew. Do they have 737's or are getting some in the near future ?

787 wrote:Recent job posting show Flair looking for 737NG crew. Do they have 737's or are getting some in the near future ?

Their job posting sounds a lot like the agreements that Skyservice and Sunwing currently have in place. I wonder who they will be flying for and where their bases will be located.

They will start in Canada with flights up to a private strip near Ft Mac.

what's the package they are offering:?:

whipline wrote:Actually nature boy, the lease cost of the DC-10 was killing ACE. They were making payments on an aircraft that was not flying. The DC-10 was not flying because there training program was not approved by transport, and rightfully so.

What ACE should have done was convert the DC-10 to a KC-10 and refuel their airplanes in the air. Then their crews could have flown longer then the 17 hr days they were normally doing.

Anybody know the name of the pilot at ACE who refused to go above the legal duty day prescribed by TC and get fired or even reprimanded for it.

teacher wrote:What killed ACE:

1) DC-10 training was not approved by transport AFTER several pilots had already went through it. By pulling the plug it grounded the plane which sat in the desert AFTER all the mods had been completed. Air Canada (the prime customer) than went with Global instead of ACE for the Europe flying which ended the only real client ACE had for the DC-10.

2) No other Canadian company has been able to do the Cuba contract for one simple reason. The Cubans don't pay well and no company has wanted to do the contract at the offered price. Flair may be doing Havana to Toronto but thats it.

There's probably a lot more reasons but these are the ones that I was aware of. As well, the pilots may have unionized BUT no changes to working conditions were ever implemented. The company went under oweing $10 million dollars. If you are gonna tell us that the debt was racked up in 6 months WITHOUT the pilots ever having a change in pay or working conditions your nuts.

I found this interesting link which gives a little backgrounder on ACE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllCanada_Express

You do realize that Wikipedia info can be written by anybody. ANYBODY

What does the last two posts have to do with flair?

He's the most efficient destroyer of JT8D engines I've ever heard of...

WING IT wrote:What does the last two posts have to do with flair?

Thats simple.....nobody really cares about what is going on at Flair!

No union ever killed a company - the problem with airlines is that the crew are the only part of the operation that is negotiable. Fuel, parts, leases, capital? No. Therefore a 'troubled' airline management goes to the only negotiable part of its operation and tries to screw them down. When they correctly say no, the airline ultimately goes to the wall, as it was doing anyway and blames the pilots, saying the union killed the company. I'll bet the CEO's compensation at ACE was more than $10 million; remember the payout Milton was to get depending upon who bought them out? Did any of that go to the creditors?

Nobody ever takes the risks associated with running or starting a company without the expectation of earning a good living. An ethical businessman shares the prosperity with his employees while the scum and the WOS in our industry keep screwing their employees.

Management, exogenous shocks and technological change will kill an airline, but never the pilots.

And STOP this ANNOYING, MINDLESS F*CKING WITH THE CAPS AND THE FONTS!