Would you vote for Canada to become part of the US

[just clearing the trees]

It's a bit weird and actually quite disappointing that some people would want to throw away their Canadian identity and lifestyle to make a bit more money for a few years.

Yeah well, Canada has become a bit weird and actually quite disappointing over the last 10 years, so it shouldn't come as a huge surprise that some people would want to leave for better opportunities elsewhere. This idea that just by virtue of being born here you are endowed with a "Canadian identity" that is worthy of a lifetime of unquestioning servitude is archaic and only serves the politicians who leech off of the common man. My return on investment in Canada has been steadily declining and I'd happily dump it for something better. The bureaucrats that ostensibly work for me, have not been acting in my best interest. I don't feel I owe Canada anything at this point.

[digits_]

It's a bit weird and actually quite disappointing that some people would want to throw away their Canadian identity and lifestyle to make a bit more money for a few years.

Yeah well, Canada has become a bit weird and actually quite disappointing over the last 10 years, so it shouldn't come as a huge surprise that some people would want to leave for better opportunities elsewhere. This idea that just by virtue of being born here you are endowed with a "Canadian identity" that is worthy of a lifetime of unquestioning servitude is archaic and only serves the politicians who leech off of the common man. My return on investment in Canada has been steadily declining and I'd happily dump it for something better. The bureaucrats that ostensibly work for me, have not been acting in my best interest. I don't feel I owe Canada anything at this point.

Of course, if you're unhappy, move. And perhaps later you might want to come back. But that's not what the question is. The question is "Would you vote for Canada to become part of the US?". That's effectively killing Canada, and having no realistic chance of ever getting it back. Wanting to destroy Canada because you are unhappy with 10 or 20 or xxx years of political (mis)management seems very extreme to me.

You also have to consider the alternatives, and likely how it will affect the other people in your life. A lot of pilots might possibly get a better lifestyle in the US. For now. But what about your friends and family member who may not be as high earning or as smart or capable as you? Would you want to force them to work in the US? That's also what the vote would be about. I would feel very guilty to force the lower income Canadians to work the low income jobs in the US: very little social protection, much higher chance to stay in poverty and debt your whole life.

[rookiepilot]

Canadian dollar in absolute free fall. Weakest of major currencies.

Keep voting Liberal.

[just clearing the trees]

Yeah fair enough, digits. I'm not for Canada being absorbed into the US, which is a laughable idea to begin with. But too many Canadians like to look down their noses at the US while ignoring the fact that everything they like about being Canadian is possible, in large part, due to the fact that we're lucky enough to be next door to them. Well, they're starting to get tired of us drafting behind them at their expense. Maybe it's time Canada put a lot less effort into being smug and a lot more in trying to live up to our own hype.

[rookiepilot]

It's a bit weird and actually quite disappointing that some people would want to throw away their Canadian identity and lifestyle to make a bit more money for a few years.

I don't feel I owe Canada anything at this point.

Me either. Your post in the context of today is just weird, Digits.

There is no identity. And it certainly doesn’t come close to being mine, these days. I just live here.

Canadas leaders, with the active help of the media, have destroyed it. They are actively working against everything I believe in.

[digits_]

ignoring the fact that everything they like about being Canadian is possible, in large part, due to the fact that we're lucky enough to be next door to them. Well, they're starting to get tired of us drafting behind them at their expense.

I've seen similar remarks popping up here regularly, but in what way are we 'lucky'?

Of course we're lucky they don't attack us, but we don't attack them either. There's plenty of countries enjoying stability with their neighbors. That doesn't seem very USA specific. If Canada would become hostile to the US, even though we'd likely never win, it's still a huge border for them to protect...

Other benefits that have been mentioned (technology, resources, knowledge) seem to be a two way street. We either trade or pay for it. We do focus on different things, and we might be spending money on importing more than we should, but I would think that benefits them just as much as it benefits us.

[just clearing the trees]

They don't attack us and we rest easy (and very affordably) knowing that, and knowing that nobody else will either because the US would never allow a hostile power on North American soil. How much money would have to be diverted from our socialist programs that we're so proud of, in order to effectively protect our enormous land mass on our own? I dare say we would not be able to afford the luxury of many of the things we like to point to in our belief that we're somehow better than them (ie: health care).

Security would possibly be the biggest ticket item in terms of the ways we're riding their coattails, but it's certainly not the only one.

[2R]

America would certainly benefit from becoming the 11th Province

[kgb531]

It's almost like potash prices being down 10% year over year, oil down 6.4% from 30 days ago and natural gas down 5% in the last week alone has plays no part.

Canadian dollar in absolute free fall. Weakest of major currencies.

Keep voting Liberal.

[pelmet]

It's almost like potash prices being down 10% year over year, oil down 6.4% from 30 days ago and natural gas down 5% in the last week alone has plays no part.

Canadian dollar in absolute free fall. Weakest of major currencies.

Keep voting Liberal.

Remember the days when Harper was in power. There was a major recession but we avoided much of it because we had so many people employed in construction of the oil sands expansion out west.

Now, no one wants to invest in canada because so many canadians voted for a free ride from the government.

Then they think they are winning because they get a $250 dollar cheque without understanding that the government took $300 from you in other ways. So they vote for the same thing again. Sure, a certain percentage of 'In" people do well. All the government workers hired over the last few years love the liberals/NDP and a few other small percentage groups that somehow benefitted from policies/legislation. They look the other way from woke and other destructive policies.

[Barn-stormer]

America would certainly benefit from becoming the 11th Province

Than they won't have to pay to keep NATO going.

[Downwash]

Yep we pay way too much taxes but there is no way I want to part of the good old US of A. Don't kid yourselves that county is mess.

[Blueontop]

Yep we pay way too much taxes but there is no way I want to part of the good old US of A. Don't kid yourselves that county is mess.

Point to country that isn’t

[CpnCrunch]

They don't attack us and we rest easy (and very affordably) knowing that, and knowing that nobody? I dare say we would not be able to afford the luxury of many of the things we like to point to in our belief that we're somehow better than them (ie: health care).

US spending on healthcare is double that of Canada. I guess the question is which would people prefer.

[kgb531]

The oil majors left because they got burned by the drop in global oil prices. Their own economists told them these were safe projects because oil was on it's way to $200 and would never drop below $100 again.
The good thing is that they aren't coming back and the 2.5 remaining can more easily reign in production costs that were out of control 10 years ago.
Trudeau is useless but Harper zero to do with how we were sheltered from global recession. OPEC withholding supply and high oil demand kept oil prices high. Canada's strong and well-regulated banking industry did the rest.

It's almost like potash prices being down 10% year over year, oil down 6.4% from 30 days ago and natural gas down 5% in the last week alone has plays no part.

Canadian dollar in absolute free fall. Weakest of major currencies.

Keep voting Liberal.

Remember the days when Harper was in power. There was a major recession but we avoided much of it because we had so many people employed in construction of the oil sands expansion out west.

Now, no one wants to invest in canada because so many canadians voted for a free ride from the government.

Then they think they are winning because they get a $250 dollar cheque without understanding that the government took $300 from you in other ways. So they vote for the same thing again. Sure, a certain percentage of 'In" people do well. All the government workers hired over the last few years love the liberals/NDP and a few other small percentage groups that somehow benefitted from policies/legislation. They look the other way from woke and other destructive policies.

[pelmet]

The oil majors left because they got burned by the drop in global oil prices. Their own economists told them these were safe projects because oil was on it's way to $200 and would never drop below $100 again.
The good thing is that they aren't coming back and the 2.5 remaining can more easily reign in production costs that were out of control 10 years ago.
Trudeau is useless but Harper zero to do with how we were sheltered from global recession. OPEC withholding supply and high oil demand kept oil prices high. Canada's strong and well-regulated banking industry did the rest.

It's almost like potash prices being down 10% year over year, oil down 6.4% from 30 days ago and natural gas down 5% in the last week alone has plays no part.

Remember the days when Harper was in power. There was a major recession but we avoided much of it because we had so many people employed in construction of the oil sands expansion out west.

Now, no one wants to invest in canada because so many canadians voted for a free ride from the government.

Then they think they are winning because they get a $250 dollar cheque without understanding that the government took $300 from you in other ways. So they vote for the same thing again. Sure, a certain percentage of 'In" people do well. All the government workers hired over the last few years love the liberals/NDP and a few other small percentage groups that somehow benefitted from policies/legislation. They look the other way from woke and other destructive policies.

Oil goes up and down. Investors look at a 50 year return in oil sands. The foolish ones leave early and the wise ones stay. But attracting new investors is what Harper was doing. If those investors lost money for a while because they were inefficient, that was reflected in share price but the massive number of good jobs continued on.

Now there are no new projects and minimal jobs to run the more efficient facilities.

All these green fools and their supporters think they are accomplishing something but in reality, they just transfer the wealth out of this country to the tyrant nations while our standard of living keeps decreasing.

[Downwash]

Yep we pay way too much taxes but there is no way I want to part of the good old US of A. Don't kid yourselves that county is mess.

Point to country that isn’t

I cant think of a county that isn't a mess.

Putting 2 messed-up countries together will not magically make a good county.

[kgb531]

There won't be any new megaprojects regardless of who is in government. Every single other large oil play on the planet will provide a higher rate of return than the oilsands.
The Saudi's former energy minister stated that 25% of their existing reserves would remain in the ground. Albertans certainly don't know better than they do.
We avoided a recession because of the price of oil and a well-regulated banking system. Meanwhile our par dollar destroyed manufacturing exports in Ontario. No oil boom could even come close to replacing that loss.
We were blessed with trash quality feedstock suitable for far less lucrative bunker fuel or asphalt.
97% of remaining reserve is heavy, sour crude. Higher cost of extraction, higher cost to process just so it will flow in a pipe.
Milk it for all it's worth while we can. It pays my bills. There are no more investors coming.

The oil majors left because they got burned by the drop in global oil prices. Their own economists told them these were safe projects because oil was on it's way to $200 and would never drop below $100 again.
The good thing is that they aren't coming back and the 2.5 remaining can more easily reign in production costs that were out of control 10 years ago.
Trudeau is useless but Harper zero to do with how we were sheltered from global recession. OPEC withholding supply and high oil demand kept oil prices high. Canada's strong and well-regulated banking industry did the rest.

Remember the days when Harper was in power. There was a major recession but we avoided much of it because we had so many people employed in construction of the oil sands expansion out west.

Now, no one wants to invest in canada because so many canadians voted for a free ride from the government.

Then they think they are winning because they get a $250 dollar cheque without understanding that the government took $300 from you in other ways. So they vote for the same thing again. Sure, a certain percentage of 'In" people do well. All the government workers hired over the last few years love the liberals/NDP and a few other small percentage groups that somehow benefitted from policies/legislation. They look the other way from woke and other destructive policies.

Oil goes up and down. Investors look at a 50 year return in oil sands. The foolish ones leave early and the wise ones stay. But attracting new investors is what Harper was doing. If those investors lost money for a while because they were inefficient, that was reflected in share price but the massive number of good jobs continued on.

Now there are no new projects and minimal jobs to run the more efficient facilities.

All these green fools and their supporters think they are accomplishing something but in reality, they just transfer the wealth out of this country to the tyrant nations while our standard of living keeps decreasing.

[SpyPilot]

Zero aviation content.

Why is this thread being allowed to continue on an aviation website.

[pelmet]

Remember the days when Harper was in power. There was a major recession but we avoided much of it because we had so many people employed in construction of the oil sands expansion out west.

Now, no one wants to invest in canada because so many canadians voted for a free ride from the government.

Then they think they are winning because they get a $250 dollar cheque without understanding that the government took $300 from you in other ways. So they vote for the same thing again. Sure, a certain percentage of 'In" people do well. All the government workers hired over the last few years love the liberals/NDP and a few other small percentage groups that somehow benefitted from policies/legislation. They look the other way from woke and other destructive policies.

Folks, ignore the green frauds. They will and are lowering your standard of living. We can go back to the days when intelligent management of the economy was paramount. But that will not happen with 4 out of 5 federal political parties in power.

[khedrei]

Zero aviation content.

Why is this thread being allowed to continue on an aviation website.

Private operators are deciding to get aircraft N registered because of JTs new luxury tax nevermind the nonsense required to get an OC through TC.

There... aviation. Are you happy?

[Mach1]

Meanwhile our par dollar destroyed manufacturing exports in Ontario. No oil boom could even come close to replacing that loss.

Oh no! Canadians had purchasing power! This will not do! Bring back the 65¢ CAD immediately. It's the only possible way Ontario can compete!

I'm certain that the artificially high cost of electricity in Ontario, brought to you by a distorted energy policy and not a free market, had nothing to do with Electricity hungry factories leaving for less green pastures. And goodness knows, tax structures are never considered by companies when relocating factories.

[Taxivasion]

Con:
Larger income disparity.- American Dream. Work hard, get rewarded. Weird concept eh
American environmental rules.- ??
Higher healthcare costs to the individual.- Promote healthy, active lifestyles. Net i bet you pay more in Canada. or work hard to get a great benefits providing job.
Worse schools... unless you can afford the private schools.- Homeschool if you can't handle it. With the extra takehome $$ you have from less taxes your wife can be a stay at home mother.
US gun culture and it's connected crime culture as well.- Buy a gun, Protect your family. don't be a pussy.
US prison system.- Compared to what? our beautiful system... ugh
Loss of the social safety net we have all grown up with.- You don't think there would be contigency? The Liberals have spent all of our security anyways. If you're under 40, you won't see anything...
US labour laws.- Do your job and don't be a little bitch.

There, Fixed it for ya. Any other CONs you would like figured out?

[Arnie Pye]

I can work for a US Major, get paid more absolute dollars in a much stronger currency, pay far less taxes, keep my guns and get rid of Trudeau? I begrudgingly accept...Trump will only be around for 1502 days at most. This too shall pass.

Maybe we should have an economic tie up like Australia and New Zealand have. Pilots and nearly anyone has labour mobility between the two countries, low/no tariffs etc. Separate yet economically partnered. CANZUK (https://www.canzukinternational.com/)is proposing something like this for British Commonwealth nations.

Travel abroad and everyone already thinks you're American anyway. Why not?

[pelmet]

Maybe we should have an economic tie up like Australia and New Zealand have. Pilots and nearly anyone has labour mobility between the two countries, low/no tariffs etc. Separate yet economically partnered. CANZUK (https://www.canzukinternational.com/)is proposing something like this for British Commonwealth nations.

Travel abroad and everyone already thinks you're American anyway. Why not?

All the American freeloaders would come up here and all the Canadians that actually want to work would go down there. It would be an economic disaster.