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sky's the limit wrote: The U.S. Administration is one of the worst violators of Human Rights on the planet, they routinely ignore not only international law, but their own, and to believe they are fighting "the good fight," or honestly making an effort to bring peace is naive beyond words.
I'm not a big supporter of American foreign policy, but I think statements like that are ridiculous.

For you:

U.S. Gets ‘Sovietized’

By Eric Margolis

09/24/06 "Toronto Sun" -- -- In the late 1980s, I was the first western journalist allowed into the world’s most dreaded prison, Moscow’s sinister Lubyanka. Muscovites dared not even utter the name of KGB’s headquarters, calling it instead after a nearby toy store, “Detsky Mir.”

I still shudder recalling Lubyanka’s underground cells, grim interrogation rooms, and execution cellars where tens of thousands were tortured and shot. I sat at the desk from which the monsters who ran Cheka (Soviet secret police) — Dzerzhinsky, Yagoda, Yezhov, Beria — ordered 30 million victims to their deaths.

Prisoners taken in the dead of night to Lubyanka were systematically beaten for days with rubber hoses and clubs. There were special cold rooms where prisoners could be frozen to near death. Sleep deprivation was a favourite and most effective Cheka technique. So was near-drowning in water fouled with urine and feces.

I recall these past horrors because of what this column has long called the gradual “Sovietization” of the United States. This shameful week, it became clear Canada is also afflicted.

We have seen America’s president and vice president, sworn to uphold the Constitution, advocating some of the same interrogation techniques the KGB used at the Lubyanka. They apparently believe beating, freezing, sleep deprivation and near-drowning are necessary to prevent terrorist attacks. So did Stalin.

The White House insisted that anyone — including Americans — could be kidnapped and tried in camera using “evidence” obtained by torturing other suspects. Bush & Co. deny the U.S. uses torture but reject the basic law of habeaus corpus and U.S. laws against the evil practice. The UN says Bush’s plans violate international law and the Geneva Conventions.

This week’s tentative agreement between Bush and Congress may somewhat limit torture, but exempts U.S. officials from having to observe the Geneva Convention.

Canadians had a shocking view of similar creeping totalitarianism as the full horror of Maher Arar’s persecution was revealed. Thanks to false information from the RCMP, the U.S. arrested a Canadian citizen and sent him to Syria. Arab states and Pakistan were being used by the Bush administration for outsourced torture. Syria denies the charges.

Suspects were kidnapped by the U.S., often on the basis of faulty information or lies, then sent to Arab states to be tortured until they confessed. The apparent objective of this “rendition” program? To find a few kernels of useful information. The Cheka and East Germany’s Stasi used the same practice.

I never thought I’d see the United States — champion of human rights and rule of law — legislating torture and Soviet-style kangaroo tribunals. I never thought I’d see Congress and a majority of Americans supporting such police state measures. Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln must be turning in their graves.

To me, Canada has always been a haven of moderation, decency, and rule of law — until the Maher Arar affair shockingly showed this country could also quickly fall into police state behaviour.

Arar’s despicable treatment by Canada and the U.S. was the result of a U.S. witch hunt, plus anti-Muslim racism, stupidity, bureaucratic cowardice and incompetence.


We saw Ottawa aiding the outrageous persecution of its citizens, and the U.S. shamefully refusing to aid the Arar inquiry.

Former U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, who authorized Arar’s arrest, should face justice for this and many other malfeasances. The current U.S. Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales, who denied the Bush administration was responsible for Arar’s abduction and torture, should be ashamed.

Canada must demand a thorough U.S. investigation, apology, and guarantee Canadians will never again become victims of such state-run criminal activity. It’s time for Prime Minister Stephen Harper to advise his new best friends in Washington that Canada is not a banana republic.

Officials directly involved in the most sordid, disgraceful case in Canada’s modern history, must face justice. They are as much guilty as the torturers who beat Maher Arar mercilessly for 10 months.

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Good post, sky,

What is most intriguing for us here, is the fact that the prisonners taken to Guantanamo were usually denounced by nieghbours, or business competition. There was quite a few stories here about people returning from there, just finding out that their house, business, even family, had been taken by unscrupulous jealous neighbours.
Just another point to show how shallow this whole war on terrorism is.
The US claim to have captured a lot of terrorists! This is bull... they have ordinary citizens...
The bad guys, the real war lords, the drug barons, are free, and a lot of them have been elected last year in parliament. This is as dirty politics as it can get. The weapons in the north were supposed to be surrendered to a UN Disarmament Program. Instead, most of the good ones were sold to the war lords in the south, which are killing Canadians. The UN only managed to get the garbage weapons. The ministry of interior, and the US command always knew what was going on. We are just a bunch of canon fodder in this war, and the US does not give a sh*t about troops, even their own...
Let alone the Canadians...
To all of you who support the US war on terror, you should get some good information about it. The propaganda that is being fed to the west is much worse than what we saw before WW2.
The oil for food program scandal was peanuts, compared to what is going on right now. The US was also involved in it. They have always known everything about Iraq.
I have come to realize that if you can think of something, it must be happening...
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Capt S&J said "answered already a few posts back Adanac..btw...Ive done the job of soldier..have you? "

Pray tell!!
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Anyone who says they don't support the soldiers should be completly ashamed of themselves. If you support the mission or not you should always support the soldiers. Those soldiers are there giving there lives up for our freedoms.

I do not agree with the US and there foreign policy. But I still support there troops, because i hope that every one of them comes home. I do not at all agree with the US going into Iraq. At first it was for Weapons of Mass Distruction, ummmm, where are they, ummm, yeah they admitted later they didn't have any proof of any being there. For supporting terrorists, ummmm nope, the US Intelligence just did a report actually stating that Sadam Hussain was not a fan nor supporter of Al Quaida. He actually was against them and thought that they would take away from his power. So nope not for that either, well we all know the reason.

Funny how the Liberals sent the troops, Conservatives and NDP both backed them. But now the NDP is going noonooo we shouldn't be there, you think it may just be a political play. We went into Afganistan to get rid of one of the biggest backers of Al Quada. Our troops have made us safer by doing so. The US has made safety worse by going into Iraq and causing terrorists to be born in a region that wasn't part of them before.

I was down in Reno for the Air Races last week. Two fellows started talking behind us and I listened as they where talking about Canada's supply of oil. Shocked as i was, well not really, one of the fellows said we should just go up and take it what are they gonna do. The other guy didn't disagree but didn't agree in his statement back either. So know just look at Iraq, somewhere where they could do this.

What are troops are doing in Afgansitan is good, don't put Iraq and Afganistan in the same bag because they aren't. There are less attacks in Afganistan than in Iraq, why, because the majority want us there. They want there freedoms, education, and equality.

If you support the mission or not, always support the troops.

BTW we should be in Darfor (or however you spell it), 400,000 people dead and they call them acts of genocide, but not genocide. Not sure what the number of people you have to kill before you hit genocide but i think 400,000 is a good number.
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