Some of you guys need to get educated.
Fire then RE-HIRE the same workers but without unionization and a unionization ban? Hello - big time illegal!!! That is blatant union busting and would be fought and won in a court in about 10 secs. Then what?
Only allow ACA II international routes? What happened to the free market approach you advocate with getting rid of the unions? Sounds like re-regulation of this industry to me. If that is the case, why don't we pursue that properly? Lets have a hard look at EVERY airline in Canada and see if others aren't losing money on certain routes in the name of "competition"!!!
Maybe while we are at it maybe we should really level the playing feild. Lets regualte the industry so that even operating costs are set. Establish minimum base pay rates, much like minimum wage. Incredibly pointless exercise of course, but more worthwhile than the ACA II idea.
Death of Air Canada
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Ummm, no union bans.. They can form a new union if they want. It's not illegal to have them lose their jobs, and create a new carrier and if the AC guys are LUCKY enough to get hired by this new company good for them..FamilyGuy wrote:Some of you guys need to get educated.
Fire then RE-HIRE the same workers but without unionization and a unionization ban? Hello - big time illegal!!! That is blatant union busting and would be fought and won in a court in about 10 secs. Then what?
Only allow ACA II international routes? What happened to the free market approach you advocate with getting rid of the unions?
Lets have a hard look at EVERY airline in Canada and see if others aren't losing money on certain routes in the name of "competition"!!!
Maybe while we are at it maybe we should really level the playing feild. Lets regualte the industry so that even operating costs are set. Establish minimum base pay rates, much like minimum wage. Incredibly pointless exercise of course, but more worthwhile than the ACA II idea.
No, a Government funded airline(like air canada) should stick to International routes since that's the only problem that will be created by the demis of Air Canada. We don't need our Taxes going to pay air canada or another Air Canada to compete against JetsGo, WestJet and others for routes in YYZ > YOW.
Yes, lets look at WestJet that's going broke, but atleast that's them going broke, not the tax payers going broke to pay the CAW union to keep an airline alive for another year..
Regulation.. ROFL.. Regulation is what caused companies to go broke, go read Blastors comments about Aeroflot. Even though it is regulated.. But that's another story..
No, creating a new air carrier isn't pointless.. How is it pointless? Do you want your 40k buddies to be out of work?? Do you want Foreign Carriers to come in so you won't get an airline job because you'll need a JAA or FAA, and even with those, you'll still probably need to be their citizen..
A new company would have ZERO debt.
New employees
Lower wages
Lower Costs
Lots of Jobs.
New Reputation. What's wrong with the idea again? I seemed to miss it with your brilliant comment "we should get educated."
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Isn't that sort of what is happening with AC starting Jazz. I was talking to a Jazz pilot the other day and he stated that he was happy with the wage he was earning. I'm not totally savy with all the goings on at AC just a comment given me in haste and I didn't have the time to get into a lot of details with the pilot.
I'm sure you fellows are way more in the know than I am about this. Be interested to hear what you have to say though.
I'm sure you fellows are way more in the know than I am about this. Be interested to hear what you have to say though.
I've talked to several Captain's and FO's from AC. They all loved their company and loved their job. I think from a business standpoint the way to make the company profitable without too much grief from the employees would be to increase the days worked.
The one FO of an A340 was telling me about how he works 4 days a month. He says that lots of his co-workers are lawyers, accountants, police officers etc. AC is there 6 figure part-time job. He showed me his schedule and I just about croaked. Why not be really cutthroat and double their work week... or sorry I guess it would only come out to just a little over one week. I mean most of them, even at that level, still love to fly. Why not fly for 8 days a month vs. 4. Is there really a union out there willing to challenge this??? And what about these FA wage increases. Where the hell is this coming from? Get a good lawyer and get back in that court room. Wage concessions and a pension plan knockdown is going to go hand in hand with wet kleenexes. Step outside of the box and look at what is the real problem.
The one FO of an A340 was telling me about how he works 4 days a month. He says that lots of his co-workers are lawyers, accountants, police officers etc. AC is there 6 figure part-time job. He showed me his schedule and I just about croaked. Why not be really cutthroat and double their work week... or sorry I guess it would only come out to just a little over one week. I mean most of them, even at that level, still love to fly. Why not fly for 8 days a month vs. 4. Is there really a union out there willing to challenge this??? And what about these FA wage increases. Where the hell is this coming from? Get a good lawyer and get back in that court room. Wage concessions and a pension plan knockdown is going to go hand in hand with wet kleenexes. Step outside of the box and look at what is the real problem.
Did he fly for Jazz or was he on one of the Big Boys. The Big Boys are where the real waste is, I don't know about the small Dash 8's and Beech 19's, they are probably under new union agreements and not in the same scenario. An easier way to make money?? Why doesn't he get a job with the City... I dont' imagine he's into the six figure range with that attitude.
Sarcastic? No! Realy!
Hey! I got a wicked idea!
Lets open the border to our friends, down south. Hmmmmm! How would you call that? D-e-r-e-g-u-l-a-t-i-o-n? How about Open skies? Free market economy? What the heck why not? Cheap fare and poor customer service beats poor customer service and rip-off fares!
I wonder how long Air Canada would last then? Westjet? I don't know but something tells me waaaaaaaay longer then Air Canada. BTW I think all our yankee friends are used to the "no meals" with a smile, cheap airlines flying! That reminds me, Ever heard of Jetblue? Southwest? They're kicking AA and Delta's asses!!
Hip hip hurray! for the low-cost, no meals, no movies, service with a smile airlines.
Can you convert Aeroplan points/miles for Canadian tire Money? How'bout food stamp?
My 'ma's stuck with thousands of useless Aeroplans. I told her so....but she said that the unions promised to keep Air Canada "in the air" and she'll be able to use her aeroplans miles/point. I think those guys are full of sh*t....
Lets open the border to our friends, down south. Hmmmmm! How would you call that? D-e-r-e-g-u-l-a-t-i-o-n? How about Open skies? Free market economy? What the heck why not? Cheap fare and poor customer service beats poor customer service and rip-off fares!
I wonder how long Air Canada would last then? Westjet? I don't know but something tells me waaaaaaaay longer then Air Canada. BTW I think all our yankee friends are used to the "no meals" with a smile, cheap airlines flying! That reminds me, Ever heard of Jetblue? Southwest? They're kicking AA and Delta's asses!!
Hip hip hurray! for the low-cost, no meals, no movies, service with a smile airlines.
Can you convert Aeroplan points/miles for Canadian tire Money? How'bout food stamp?
My 'ma's stuck with thousands of useless Aeroplans. I told her so....but she said that the unions promised to keep Air Canada "in the air" and she'll be able to use her aeroplans miles/point. I think those guys are full of sh*t....
