Any questions in French during the AC Interview?

[SQ]

poopoo,

have you been PFO'd because of your english during AC interview ?

if Europe seems so great to you, why don't you just go there?...
because french pilot will surely think you're another
under-educated "french-canadian"

BTW, make sur they'll understand your french on the radio

[saltypilot]

Seems kind of petty to be talking about who does the P/A...i like the way we do it at our company...your leg, your p/a and if the skipper doesnt want to do it then they can delegate it..in fact they can delegate whatever they like and I have no issues with that...it's just a much more pleasant environment when each knows their place and their duties. As a first officer i look to the skippers for any knowlege they can impart on me as they are not sitting in that seat by chance...on the flip side i believe any skipper should be willing to see the sic as a team player and allow them the opportunity to make the choices on their leg with the option of course to veto if they feel it isn't safe. Bottom line in my opinion is lets go to work and do it right, safe, and with respect for all involved. Have a great one folks!

[The Raven]

Stinky,

Au contraire my deoderant challenged friend. My flight deck is very relaxed. All that I ask is that the First Officer show a little respect and ask my permission to make a PA. I think it's just common courtesy.

Also Stinky, my airline's policy is that I brief the Flight Attendants prior to each flight. Part of that briefing is when to expect PA's from the flight deck. If you just start making PA's without asking me first, does it not make a mockery of my briefing to the Flight Attendants.

Regarding your "I'm the boss" comment....Yes I am the boss. There can't be two of us. That's a fact.

The Raven

[Matra Magic]

It's always better to be able to speak french in this country. Here is the best example I can give you...

Lorsque je tappe les lignes qui suivent, seuls ceux qui ont fait l'effort d'apprendre une autre langue seront capables de les lires. J'ai volé de nombreuses fois avec des commandants basés a YUL depuis 10 ans qui étaient incapables de faire un PA en français ! Je n'ai aucun respect pour ces gens la ! D'un autre côté, nombreux sont les anglophones qui font l'effort de le faire et ils ont toute mon estime.

Well guys, I think it explains everything...

Fly safe , Volez prudemment

Matra Magic

[Dark Helmet]

Just curious as to what you disapprove of Dark Helmet?

Paraphrasing the thread, Gurundu more or less stated "I will do what I please" on the flight. J767, states "whoaa hold up there. I am the Captain and you will do as I please, not what you please."

Following the command chain, who is further from appropriate CRM?

I know it is a long way off the topic of the thread but am interested in your input. Not as an argument, just a discussion.

I just get a kick out of all the attitudes. This is getting a little out of hand. I agree, talking in another language to ATC, wether be it French, Spanish, or Chinese , Arabic IMHO conpletely absurd. I get chills down my spine when flying into YVO or YGP on 126.7 and hear french only traffic advisories.

I do my PA's in both languages, Saves the FA from having to pick up the interphone and having them translate it. As if they don't talk enough already during a flight. None of my skippers seem to have a problem with it. Oh BTW, Where I work, the PNF normally does the PA,s at least thats what it says in the AOM. I am generally polite enough to tell my Captain before I actually do one. If the Captain wants to do them...fine, Mon Calice

Doing PAs or Taking to FAs in a different language wether it be in the crew room or in the aircraft who gives a @#$!. If they want to talk in their own language go ahead. It is their right. If it is something pertinent to the operation of the aircraft, or safety, I am sure they would have the common sense to translate it or discuss it in a language everyone understands. If I feel they are not, I will speak out. Period. Otherwise you talk in whatever language you want to. Je Mon Calice (Not sure on spelling).

Cheers

[El Comat]

It's always better to be able to speak french in this country. Here is the best example I can give you...

Lorsque je tappe les lignes qui suivent, seuls ceux qui ont fait l'effort d'apprendre une autre langue seront capables de les lires. J'ai volé de nombreuses fois avec des commandants basés a YUL depuis 10 ans qui étaient incapables de faire un PA en français ! Je n'ai aucun respect pour ces gens la ! D'un autre côté, nombreux sont les anglophones qui font l'effort de le faire et ils ont toute mon estime.

Well guys, I think it explains everything...

Fly safe , Volez prudemment

Matra Magic

I'm just amazed at the fact that I actually understood that whole French paragraph! I agree that making an effort to understand/use the other crew member's language (if in Canada, French or English) says a lot about you as a person. But if someone has no clue how to speak French, it's not your responsibility or right to treat them as a lesser person. Let's just all get along.

EC

PS - I must say those language laws in Quebec are pretty crazy

[bic]

I can fly in Japan and listen to ALL ATC conversations in English.

...not in Quebec!

It makes the Quebec airspace some of the most dangerous around.

Complete loss of situational awareness!

Just to satisfy the xenophobic Quebecers.

Les mexicains parlent en espagnol sur leur fréquences, les russes, en russe, Les italiens, en italien, les suèdois, en suèdois, les allemands....et oui en allemand et les francais......en francais .. So in almost all countries, English is secondary so give the quebecers a break with their french and go check in others countries before bitching!!!

[pauliewalnuts]

Umm.....since when is Quebec a country?

[bic]

Umm...it is not...Canada is..but if you can walk and chew gum at the same time, you should be able to understand what i mean...

[QFE]

Quebecflyer wrote- "we live in a country with 2 official languages."

Just to clarify. Canada is not officially bilingual, nor does it have two official languages. It is only the Parliment of Canada and its institutions which have two official languages, and it is only the Parliment of Canada and its institutions which can be classified as officially bilingual.

[popo]

Cat Driver what do yo fly???? with your ego you must be flying a king air or twoter??? you sound like the best pilot in the world!!! what do you have 1000 hrs? just wondering?? this kind of comments usually come from 1000hrs wanders.


SQ...what does it stand for Squid??? are you still applying????

keep applying dude don't give up!!!one day you will be am Airline pilot...I am sure you already have the license holder right? when did you buy it..when you broke 1500 hrs flying donuts?

Bonne chance bande de cons,
cuándo usted consigue alguna educación me da una llamada, Wenn Sie einige Erziehungen erhalten, rufen Sie mich an.

[Cat Driver]

Cat Driver what do yo fly???? with your ego you must be flying a king air or twoter??? you sound like the best pilot in the world!!! what do you have 1000 hrs? just wondering?? this kind of comments usually come from 1000hrs wanders.

I am a private pilot at the moment popo and haven't flown anything lately, but I'm thinking of maybe starting to build time again soon.

[SQ]

SQ...what does it stand for Squid??? are you still applying????

.

that's good, never thought about that one !
sorry to burst your bubble, but I have only applied twice since I began to fly and both received positive answers...

[Quebecflyer]

QFE Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:42 pm Post subject:

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Quebecflyer wrote- "we live in a country with 2 official languages."

Just to clarify. Canada is not officially bilingual, nor does it have two official languages. It is only the Parliment of Canada and its institutions which have two official languages, and it is only the Parliment of Canada and its institutions which can be classified as officially bilingual.

This comes from the website of the OCOL, or Office of the Commissioner of Offical Languages:

Canada’s two official languages, English and French, define Canadian society.

So yes, Canada is officially bilingual... You should have Googled it before you posted that.

http://www.ocol-clo.gc.ca/html/index_e.php

[Jaques Strappe]

Bic Wrote:

Les mexicains parlent en espagnol sur leur fréquences, les russes, en russe, Les italiens, en italien, les suèdois, en suèdois, les allemands....et oui en allemand et les francais......en francais .. So in almost all countries, English is secondary so give the quebecers a break with their french and go check in others countries before bitching!!!

The difference Bic, is that everyone else in the world is required to speak English. They may at times speak their local language but at anytime, the conversation can be switched to English. That is a licensing requirement. Quebec does not recognize this and will license someone who can't speak a word of English. They are the same with scuba diving. PADI is world recognized and a PADI certified diver can dive anywhere in the world, except Quebec. It is not a "language" thing, never has been, never will be, it is a "Quebec" thing.

[QFE]

Quebecflyer

As you stated "you should have Googled it before you posted that." I did just that!

If you click on to "Your Language Rights" you will find and I quote-

"The first Official Languages Act, which was enacted in 1969, declared that English and French would enjoy equality of status in all institutions of Parliment and government of Canada. The Act also created the position of Commissioner of Official Languages.

In 2005, the Official Languages Act was once again modified to remind federal institutions of their responsibilities to take positive measures for development of official language communities and to promote lingusitic duality."

I stand by my original statement.

[Quebecflyer]

But they do state at numerous places on their website that Canada has 2 official languages. Here is another quote for you:

Why does Canada have two official languages?

The existence of two official languages in Canada is a product of our history. In 1867, the British North America Act gave official status to English and French in Parliament and the federal courts, as well as in Quebec's national assembly and courts.

Canada today has close to 30 million inhabitants, which can be divided into two numerically significant language communities: Anglophones (59% of the population) and Francophones (23% of the population). Canadians whose mother tongue is neither English nor French make up 18% of the population.

The English-speaking community in Quebec is mainly concentrated in Montréal, the Eastern Townships, the Ottawa valley and the Gaspé region. Although most French-speaking Canadians now live in Quebec, there are almost one million French-speaking people living elsewhere in Canada. Almost a quarter of these Francophones live in New Brunswick, the only officially bilingual province in Canada. Ontario, which is home to 527,000 Francophones, has the largest Francophone population outside of Quebec!

According to the 2001 census, about 85% of Canadians speak English, 31% speak French, and about 446,000, or less than 2% of the population, speak neither official language. As people have come to Canada from other parts of the world, our society has become multicultural and multilingual.

For more information on Canada's linguistic make-up, visit the census section of Statistics Canada's Web site.

[Quebecflyer]

And JS,

If I look at my ATPL it says CANADA in big bold letters.

Quebec does not emit pilot licenses... Canada does... so I guess it's also an "Ottawa" thing

[Luis]

There won't be any question asked in french in this interview to answer this question lol. Mine was in Toronto and I didn't have any question in french even though I am francophone. The simulator evaluation was also all in english even if my F/O (Jazz instructor) was francophone as well. I respect that, they want to be sure that we can work in english.

The only time I will be alowed to speak in french in the cockpit or to do my coms in french with the ATC will be when my Captain is francophone and if he wants to. The thing that bugs me is that some of you say that CRM is compromised by french. From my point of view, it's safer if the crew speaks the language they are more comfortable with. I don't think Japanese crews speak english in the cockpit. For the PA thing, I don't see the point of not doing it in french if one of the pilots speaks it, especially when you work for Air Canada or Jazz. It's a total lack of respect of your passengers that travel with a bilingual company and pays their ticket and your big salary in the same time.

[QFE]

Do not use Canada and the Parliment of Canada in the same context.
Even in your quote(which is very outdated) they refer to the PARLIMENT of CANADA and its federal courts. Try demanding service in Fench at the local Petro-Can in downtown Kitchener! You can, however, demand it in the courthouse. Thats the difference.

[Jaques Strappe]

And JS,

If I look at my ATPL it says CANADA in big bold letters.

Quebec does not emit pilot licenses... Canada does... so I guess it's also an "Ottawa" thing

Yes you are correct however a guy from La Tuque who does not speak a word of English can be given that ATPL. Most other ICAO members require at least an aviation working knowledge of English. Not in Quebec.

This was a huge issue back in the Trudeau years. There is no point debating it really, lets face it, the skies over Quebec are not the same color as the rest of the world whether it be in regard to aviation, economics, politics, whatever. It is a Quebec thing under the guise of language because what Quebec fails to realize is that there are just as many francophones living outside the province. You don't hear New Brunswick demanding distinct society. Hell, every Quebecer needs to spend a week in Newfoundland if they want to experience a "Distinct Society".

P.S Why does it say "Quebec Immigration" when I clear customs in Montreal?

[Brick Head]

Quebecflyer wrote- "we live in a country with 2 official languages."

Most of the country has two official languages.


The Charter of the French Language (also known as Bill 101 and Loi 101) is a law in the province of Quebec, Canada defining French as the only official language of Quebec.

Proposed by Camille Laurin, the Minister of Cultural Development under the first Parti Québécois government of Premier René Lévesque, it was passed into law by the National Assembly on August 26, 1977. The Charter's provisions expanded on the 1974 Official Language Act (Bill 22), which was enacted under Premier Robert Bourassa's Liberal government to make French the sole official language of Quebec. Prior to 1974, Quebec was legally bilingual (English and French).

[pilotbzh]

you'll be fine in Montreal no French required don't worry about pax briefing the fa is there for that....

As for ICAO country issuing radio licence without knowing English, I was issue a private licence in France without any English required, but English radio qualification is required to fly outside the French atc system. so I guess it's should be the same for French Quebec pilote not able to speak any english.......or they have to stay away from any MF and controled area outside the bilinguale atc.

[bic]

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The difference Bic, is that everyone else in the world is required to speak English. They may at times speak their local language but at anytime, the conversation can be switched to English. That is a licensing requirement.

I am not so sure about that Jacques Strappe....i have heard that a lot of pilots don't speak english. Cargair does IFR training for chinese pilot and they first have to take english course because they only speak chinese. I went to Moscow and the Clr.del. was barely able to speak english and in Russia, you need a translator in the cockpit when you fly to a lot of airports. You don't need one when you fly in Quebec......
I understand your point when you say that Quebecers don't need to speak english for their licence and in other country, conversation can be switched to english but they are still using their language and what kind of english would that be..... Fly in mexico and the only english you will hear will be from American or Canadian so when people say that Quebec is the worst place the fly, the most dangerous place, well i don't buy that....ATC do a really good job and we just have to fellow their instructions...that is private 101. Also, those guys from LaTuque who only speak french won't be flying at FL350..They will stay low flying from lake to lake.
I don't want to start a war, just want to give my opinion...

[Stinky]

Okay. im gonna be based in Montreal soon. dont speak french, although willing to learn. would i be in trouble in terms of atc and pax briefings?

I'd reccommend learning to do basic PA's in French. The FA's and Captains will eventually get annoyed with you if you are based in YUL for a while and don't even attempt a little French.
You'll be amazed at how receptive the Captains are to a few questions regarding words or pronunciation. Practice with the captain before you go "live on air" Before you know it, it's second nature.