WCA CHIEF PILOT CALLS IT QUITS

[snaproll20]

actually 86583, it is as easy as Cat Driver has suggested.

You run a good operation.

There will always be nay-sayers and grumpy negative people who want to raise issues about you, but that is par for the course. (If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.)

If this WCA company is threatening people as described, then they truly have deserved the criticism. There are dozens and dozens of companies who are not being criticized in the same vein here on Avcanada. We don't really know for sure if people are being tolerant, or if conditions do not match up to those at WCA.

The only companies I have seen serious comments about have nearly all produced fatalities, eventually.

Still, if you have no posted criticism of a serious nature, you hear the company has a good reputation and the resumes keep coming in, I guess you may figure you are doing something right.

Snoopy is correct though, nobody wants to stand up. I don't really know how we fix that.

[Human Factor]

The problem is that you can't stand up if you value your career. Blacklisting runs rampant and companies get genuinely scared of whistleblowers coming into their organizations even if they have nothing to hide. It's exactly the opposite scenario that it should be in a perfect world... think about it, to be blackballed for having a reputation of reporting illegal and dangerous activities in aviation is ludicrous! We should be filling our positions with people who are safety conscious and will err on the side of legality even if it means one less ivory backscratcher for the managers upstairs, instead of forcing them out of the industry. What kind of culture is that? Who's fault is it? The owners? The regulators? I honestly don't know...

86583 - Do you really think that a poster going by the name of Bulawrench is a pilot? Do you not know what a wrench is or who is most likely to use one? Regardless, even if his accusations are harsh, I'm on his side. Read what I wrote above: surround yourself with safety-conscious people and show the bean-counters the door. Really, you have nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide.

[carholme]

Human Factor;

I don't know how long you have been in the business but if you condone not standing and being counted, that is a cop out and you get the industry you deserve. If you are going to sit in the background waiting for someone else to to the right thing, it will never change and you have absolutely no right to complain.

If the company represented in this thread is as bad as is being talked about, there are obviously many people there who think as you do and mangement reading your post, can breathe a sigh of relief. They know for sure what they can get away with when you are around. The only reason they can get away with what they do is because you let them.


carholme

[Human Factor]

But carholme, you must know it's true whether you condone it or not. The saying goes that the squeaky wheel l gets the grease but in aviation circles, the squeaky wheel gets replaced... and never gets another job as a wheel again.

[carholme]

Human Factor;

If I thought that way, I wouldn't have bothered posting. You can be guaranteed I feel exactly the way I posted and have done so for over fourty years in this business. This crap we are seeing is nothing new, what is new, is that everybody expects this industry to owe them a living just because they chose to enter it.
It is a business that kills people even when we are attempting to do our best. But to knowingly engage in flight or maintenance which is against the standard is criminal, to condone it because that is the way things are, is morally reprehensible.

You are talking to the wrong guy if you expect me to ever accept a management philosophy that condones illegal practices.
I have made enough mistakes in my life, on my own, to ever allow management to involve me in their shoddy practices.

My job as an engineer has always been to ensure that the pilot's ass is firmly strapped to a bar stool at the end of the day and I will stand in anybodys way who attempts to get him/her to fly or maintain beyond the standard.

carholme

[girl in flight]

What difference does it make if handles on this forum are pilots or not!

If they are than they have a real take on the situation, if there are many, than I would say the situation is critical.

Most people are tolerant, when so many become the opposite, does that not beg the questions?, when it spans across all departments it is obvious there is great unrest.

I say keep talking about it, let those who need to, blow off steam, if the big guy you all call RB is reading, let him find direction to become a much more important man by making his employees (or should I say inhouse clients) a priority. without them RB has nothing.

Just fly safe, there are to many wives and kids that will be left behind if you dont.

[snoopy]

What about husbands and boyfriends????

[Bulawrench]

Look 86583 you sound like just another shady owner. People in the industry know what is going on. I think you need to put down the joy stick. The real facts are these poor underpaid people at WCA have learned to make due with just about nothing. The industry standard is do it or i will get someone else to do it. This company is an absolute joke. Extremely dangerous situations for pilots and a maintenance department that has to make due with squat. You might as well call it "THIRD WORLD AIR" and if you don't believe me take your baby bonnet off and have a look.
As a matter of fact 86583 i have become very successful in aviation and have been a mentor for many many good people. It is not a crime to be honest, it is a crime when you are not. It is time for all of industry to flush out the criminals.

[Dog]

The problem is that you can't stand up if you value your career. Blacklisting runs rampant and companies get genuinely scared of whistleblowers coming into their organizations even if they have nothing to hide. It's exactly the opposite scenario that it should be in a perfect world... think about it, to be blackballed for having a reputation of reporting illegal and dangerous activities in aviation is ludicrous! We should be filling our positions with people who are safety conscious and will err on the side of legality even if it means one less ivory backscratcher for the managers upstairs, instead of forcing them out of the industry. What kind of culture is that? Who's fault is it? The owners? The regulators? I honestly don't know...

86583 - Do you really think that a poster going by the name of Bulawrench is a pilot? Do you not know what a wrench is or who is most likely to use one? Regardless, even if his accusations are harsh, I'm on his side. Read what I wrote above: surround yourself with safety-conscious people and show the bean-counters the door. Really, you have nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide.

Great post; I second that.

[86583]

it saddens me to read these posts and see what has happened to a great industry...it makes me glad I walked away from it and now just enjoy it from a recreational standpoint...I won't disagree that over the years there's been some "interesting" individuals running company's....if I had the power to snap my fingers and make something happen it would be to put pilots and mechanics in the ownership position for a while and let them see that it's not an easy task either...to listen to some on here playing judge/jury and executioner most in the industry would be doing life for crimes committed, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty, I sense more of a mob mentality being stirred up by some rather self centered individuals on here that really don't have the facts, just what their perceptions are of events that have or are occuring....to the critics that point out my abiltity to know the meaning of the word wrench, I come from a time when most "drivers" also swung wrenchs.....in my time in the business I did all of it, wrenched, flew the line and yes I also was an owner....I'm sure there's lots of people out there that will have a field day crucifiying me but the number of people that benifited from our time together and moved on to bigger and better things far exceed the nay sayers....I guess mr bulawrench our pathes crossed at some point in time and from your comments I must have pissed in your corn flakes from your comments you've made......I won't make it to easy but if you wonder who I am just go to the TC website and check my handle, it's my licence number.....and yes I live in a lavish home

['79K20driver]

Whatever, 86583, blah, blah, blah. Some of us worked for this company or have had close connections to it and know the truth about it. This is not a company you should come on here and make statements like, "innocent until proven guilty" because the "proven guitly" part probably would only come after fatalities. We all know how hard it is for a company to make money in this business. We all know that companies do not exist just to create good jobs for us, but are in business to make money. However, that does not give them the right or excuse to cut corners and piss on the people who do the day to day work.

PS. Nobody cares about your "lavish" home either!

[86583]

nice post 79K20driver....unfortunatly it wasn't directed at you or WCA, I know nothing of the plight of the folks that work there or run the place...I know what I read here but have to say if I believed everything I read here I'd own a few bridges out there....I hope the issues at WCA are resolved before some one does get hurt as we need operators like WCA on the coast...

[Human Factor]

I believe we need operators like Seair and Harbour Air on the west coast, not operators like WCA. Just my 0.02.

[carholme]

86583;

Don't know who you were directing your remarks at but we are an owner operator and I can assure you that we do not fear doing life for crimes committed. We feel that we have every right to speak openly, knowing what is going on in the business. We suffer in business from the types of operators described in this thread and are fed up with it.
I can assure you that we do not live in a "lavish house", it takes every penny re-invested in the business to get to where we want to go.
I don't know who your sanctimonius tirade was aimed at but your comments about Bulawrench certainly seem uncalled for unless you are purposely using the thread to attack individuals, rather than the company described. I don't know Bulawrench from a hole in the ground but it seems that whatever he said certainly needled you. If that company is not doing what certain people here claim, it seems strange that the owners are not here defending themselves.
There certainly seems to be enough of his employees on this thread and previous threads to warrant some discussion.


carholme

edited for spelling error

[Cat Driver]

so bulawrench you have 25 years in the industry as what prey tell...I tend to think maybe you've never held a position as op's mgr or CP with an operation say with 10 or more airplanes and maybe say 25 or more pilots....you sound more like the ranting of a pilot that just never made it any where in the industry and you like to sit back and sling sh_t at people and company's, calling people criminals etc etc.....sounds to me anybody with that kind of conviction shouldn't be hiding behind a funny name and a stupid picture unless of course that is the real you...thanks for your comment snoopy, you hit the nail right on the head...what do you think ....I think he's a commie,

86583,I think that there are legitimate concerns expressed by some of these posters.

I know some of the pilots that fly for WCA as well as I know you and all I can hope is that somehow they get their company running on a better level than they are now running.

The problems in aviation are systemic and getting worse not better.

Remember the days we used to spend hours sitting in the sun playing Chess on Red Alert?

Any how I am truly conflicted on an emotional level when I read about these problems because deep down we all know that the only cure for these problems lies with the individual employees who have the choice of how they are willing to work and how far they are willing to ignore systemic safety issues to stay employed.

At the moment I am sitting in my motor home in Hemet California waiting for Pene to finish making supper, tomorrow I will rent a car and head back to Chino to spend some time with Yanks Air Museum doing some part time pilot sort of things with them.

So for me life is far better than I had expected it to be decades ago, but at heart I'm still one of you.....guess I'll always be.

So that is my answer as to what I think and I hope you cut some of these people some slack as far as their plight goes 86583 because they need some..

. E.

[Bulawrench]

The truth even if some people can't come to terms with it is still the truth. The Navajo pilots that had their right engine catch fire and burn the wing off in 43 seconds or the MU2 guys that augured into the ground or the young pilot named Mark that fell out the back door when flying a baggage run because of inexperience and pressure and was never found. These are real people and real events. It is time somebody recognize and expose these shady companies before they take more innocent victims.
This old codger 86583 just can't accept the fact that people die while other people are not accountable for their actions. Direct your insults at me if you like but it is the industry like . says that is the root cause. The lavish home has Geritol on tap, so cheers.

[Cat Driver]

The lavish home has Geritol on tap, so cheers.

Bulawrench you just lost credibility with that statement.

I am a lot older than 86583 and I can assure you I don't need nor have Geritol on tap in my homes....of which I have several.

If we are going to make any headway in these issues concerning how the industry needs change it will be a lot easier if we leave remarks like that out of these discussions because that only insults people on all sides of the argument.

Getting old is not a choice.

[86583]

you know I think it's time I'll just ride off into the sunset and leave this site to people like bulawrench that have all the answers for the industry.....maybe I should pop down for a visit ., I'm going to delete this site off my computer so give me a call at home if you get a chance...bulawrench I don't know how you feel the company was directly at fault for those 2 crashes in 05 but for you bring up mark's accident from the late 70's tells me you have some deep rooted hatred going on inside you....I don't know how you justify it but obviously you do and that's your right.....Bernie L'Hirondelle, owner and president Navair charter

[girl in flight]

Bullawrench your remarks to 86583 were immature and ego driven. Way to go Captain Jack Sparrow look what you started lol.

Respect is the foundation, Respect for both Operators , line Pilots, Engineers, Etc.

Team work is hard to manage in a big operation, so many factors to take into consideration, so many people to please, but I think the goal is to find a solution and unfortunately you cant buy it on a disk, it is within the operator and his or her good Business sense, there are many avenues one could aquire from the outside, isnt it true that WCA is going Union?
The unions have changed and offer operators positive and profitable solutions for both parties, maybe there is light at the end of that tunnel for all!

Hopefully 86583 does not sign off for good as all opinions are valued. Would'nt everyone agree???

[Cat Driver]

Respect is the foundation, Respect for both Operators , line Pilots, Engineers, Etc.

Respect is something that is deserved through having being earned.

For example you can find two different classes of people in the same area, the Sally Ann who help people and right outside their doors you will find drug dealers.

Who deserves respect?

Canadian aviation has to a lesser degree these opposite mindsets within the industry.

What is needed is an eradication of the bottom feeders.

Your regulator and the various organizations with the alphabet acronyms pretending to be watch dogs over the industry are useless and accomplish only one thing, they feather their own nests and do SFA for the industry.

The only answer is personal accountability and shunning the bottom feeders....without employees they just disappear.

[girl in flight]

Maybe Cat! thats abit of a contraindication, did you not think that you earned it? and obviously didnt get it with TC . No! I disagree with you and thats okay, some old dogs think they know it all. No insult intended.

[girl in flight]

Cat are you calling 85653 a bottom feeder or anyone in the Regulatory bodies?

There seems to be allot of bitterness there? one cannot be objective when hate driven, its a waste of earned talents don't you think?

[Four1oh]

what does one do when respect is deserved but not attained? Let's face it, respect isn't always earned, even when it should be.

[Cat Driver]

Girl in flight may I take a minute to comment on your comments?

Cat are you calling 85653 a bottom feeder or anyone in the Regulatory bodies?

Read what I wrote, nowhere did I mention a company or person, what I said was you can stay clear of bottom feeders.

Maybe Cat! thats abit of a contraindication, did you not think that you earned it? and obviously didnt get it with TC . No! I disagree with you and thats okay, some old dogs think they know it all. No insult intended.

Nowhere did I mention my having earned respect.

I haven't the faintest idea where you came up with the idea I didn't get respect from TC, what are you talking about?

As to old dogs knowing it all that is a generalization that has no real merit in this discussion.

Cat are you calling 85653 a bottom feeder or anyone in the Regulatory bodies?

No I am not calling 85653 a bottom feeder, however I have identified several top level management people in TCCA who make bottom feeders look like high class.....here are two just for starters....Merlin Preuss, the DGCA TCCA....Dave Nowzek the Regional Director TCCA, Pacific Region.

You are obviously new here girl in flight and have not quite figured out that I do not make unsubstantuated allegations .....I am able to answer to what I allege.

There seems to be allot of bitterness there? one cannot be objective when hate driven, its a waste of earned talents don't you think?

Hate driven....bitterness....what are you talking about?

If anyone here is objective I would like to believe it is me as I have seen enough of what really goes on in the background of Canadian aviation to have a doctorate in how it works.

And knowing how disfunctional Canadian aviation is in the 703 / 704 end of flying I have chosen not to fly in Canada for the past ten or so years and my position in aviation is far beyond anything I ever thought I would get to...bitter, ha, ha ha, that is really funny.

I kind of think Jack is right though, but if your curious enquire to transport yourselves boys!

Are you suggesting that anyone in aviation can go to TC and ask about the quality of conformance to the rules any company in Canada has?

[Flybabe]

G I F, not sure if you're familiar with Cat's history in aviation, I'd suggest a search to dig some info up. Or, I'm sure he'll tell you himself if you ask nicely