Would you leave Canada to Live in Indonesia or not?

[albertdesalvo]

I voted no because the airline industry in Indonesia doesn't seem to have the best safety record, from anecdotal evidence I might add.

Google "plane crash indonesia" and see what comes up. Nothing anecdotal about that evidence.

[Expat]

I voted no because the airline industry in Indonesia doesn't seem to have the best safety record, from anecdotal evidence I might add.

Google "plane crash indonesia" and see what comes up. Nothing anecdotal about that evidence.

In that case, why don't you Google pilot error?

[furious george]

We could start by offing the F'in Pope stl

Amazing what Mods can get away with saying on this site...

[Chuck Ellsworth]

He did explain why he made the comment.

Actually...

We could start by offing the F'in Pope and start telling people they WON'T burn in hell for eternity for using a condom..... Just a thought.

Having children just to keep your flock growing regardless of their living conditions is immoral in my opinion.

Then again the pope does not seem too worried about his priests using children for their own perverted sexual pleasure, so maybe that explains his lack of empathy for the flock?

[BoostedNihilist]

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[albertdesalvo]

In that case, why don't you Google pilot error?

So all those Indonesian crashes were pilot error? Anyway, what's the difference? You're just as dead. I wouldn't step into an Indonesian plane for a single trip as a passenger, let alone go down there and fly one every day. Their aviation industry is totally farked from top to bottom, and everyone knows it. I'd love to check the place out, but living and working there as a pilot? Forget it. Life is short enough as it is.

[JakeYYZ]

I'm amazed at the number of people against a move and I'm curious to know the reasons.

I think the bigger issues for Canadians living abroad is when do you go back to Canada.
Since we left Canada, we know of several friends that left Canada that are still abroad. There are lots of us around the world.

You are quite right about coming back to Canada. You get really spoiled overseas, especially in some countries. After three and half years here in Afghanistan, I really do not want to go back to Canada.
First of all, I cannot make that dough home. (>12k/month tax free)
Moreover, I got used to the personal freedoms that do not exist any more in Canada. Like driving any speed you want, while sipping a beer, smoking anywhere you want, even in the airport terminals, buying booze anywhere, anytime, cheap.
Going to Canada for holidays is such a nightmare, that I keep it to the minimum, and try to meet the family in sunnier destinations.
My feeling in this thread is that people who would not take a jog overseas, are the ones who did not travel, have their head in the sand, and believe that Canada is still the best place in the world. Once you have been out of the country long enough, you stop to care about local news, and become a real expat.
I just wish I could bring my Cessna here...

Expat, why do you think you’re making 12K+ a month?

[Wacko]

Pure skill I would venture to guess

[sky's the limit]

We could start by offing the F'in Pope stl

Amazing what Mods can get away with saying on this site...

Why is it amazing?

FYI, Mods can have opinions too, and as long as we play by the rules, all's fair in love and war. Please feel free to refer to the Forum Rules.

If you don't think the Pope is extremely culpable in the disaster that has become the African AIDS problem, think again.


stl

[furious george]

Why is it amazing?

FYI, Mods can have opinions too, and as long as we play by the rules, all's fair in love and war. Please feel free to refer to the Forum Rules.

stl

"You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed)."
(emphasis mine)

I say again, and it's been said before by others on this site, it's amazing what the mods can get away with saying.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

sky's the limit wrote:
We could start by offing the F'in Pope stl

It all depands by what he meant by " offing " sort of like what is the meaning of is.

However the Pope does use fear to prevent people from using condoms which does result in many deaths through the spread of AIDS.

But that is O.K. because it is in the name of religion.

How about Bountiful and the raping of children.....is that not better, at least they get to live.

[sky's the limit]

Why is it amazing?

FYI, Mods can have opinions too, and as long as we play by the rules, all's fair in love and war. Please feel free to refer to the Forum Rules.

stl

"You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed)."
(emphasis mine)

I say again, and it's been said before by others on this site, it's amazing what the mods can get away with saying.

Um, so let me get this straight... I'm "threatening????" You can't really be serious here, or can you?

Perhaps the Pope should be banned from this too, I mean threatening millions of "believers" with an eternity of damnation isn't exactly following the rules by your interpretation, now is it?

I can assure you, the Mods don't "get away" with anything above and beyond the rules as Joe sees fit to apply them.

Anyway, back to the beautiful sunny West Coast afternoon....


stl

[furious george]

Soooo, you want someone killed and that's not threatening them?

[albertdesalvo]

Take your beefs with the mods private, willya? Sheesh....

[Four1oh]

first of all, it's the internet, we say things we'd almost never say in public, that's just the way it is. I really don't care what a mod said about 'offing' the pope, as long as the rest of us are held to the same standard. Furious George has a valid point too. Whatever.

[lilfssister]

I think if you look through the thousands of threads on these forums, you will find similar sentiments people have expressed about public figures ranging from George W. Bush to Paris Hilton.

[sky's the limit]

Soooo, you want someone killed and that's not threatening them?

Who said anything about "killing," other than you? I just looked back, and as far as I can see, that's just your interpretation of "offing." As . said, it could mean a number of things, but that doesn't really matter as you seem to be grossly overreacting to the situation... Is this what you do in an airplane?

I'll make a leap here, and assume you are Catholic and feel obligated to come to the Pope's defense. It's OK, I'm sure the Vatican has a fleet of lawyer's perusing the internet full time looking for slanderous statements made against the Pope...

Hmmm, someone just knocked on my door, be right back... Hey! It's Paris Hilton!!!


stl

PS G.W. Bush routinely talks about "killing" specific people, and he has the means, I only have Nark, and even that's a stretch as our politics are different so I'm doubtful he'd take orders from me....

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Hey, STL.....I need a job....so if you can use a retired mercenary I'm getting bored so how much do you pay?

I'll start with Paris Hilton and when I get her off I'll bill you.

[sky's the limit]

Hey, STL.....I need a job....so if you can use a retired mercenary I'm getting bored so how much do you pay?

I'll start with Paris Hilton and when I get her off I'll bill you.

Well .,

Been to Nigeria before??? Looks like I'm going in about a week and half.... Got a contract there for a big photoshoot, could use some experienced protection, you in?


stl

[Chuck Ellsworth]

No never been to Nigeria but I have been to every country around it Benin, Niger, Chad and Cameroon.

I would love to go but unfortunately I have other commitments.....by the way you be careful in Nigeria, it ain't as safe as Powell River.

[sky's the limit]

No never been to Nigeria but I have been to every country around it Benin, Niger, Chad and Cameroon.

I would love to go but unfortunately I have other commitments.....by the way you be careful in Nigeria, it ain't as safe as Powell River.

You been to the Westview here in P.R. on a Friday night??? lol...

I will be. It's going to be a multiple location project, should be getting all the details in the morning, but it'll involve both on the ground, and air to air shooting. Can't wait.

Getting back to the original thread, YES, I'd take the job... Lol


stl

[BoostedNihilist]

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[Panama Jack]

I say go for it. I am leaving this place myself to start a new job overseas. Leaving on the 15th for Bangkok where i will be living, and my tours will be in Nigeria....................rh350

For Bangkok I would go in a heartbeat. Not so certain I would EVER want to set foot in Nigeria. Some claim that Nigeria is a bit like Toronto, I am not sure, but having been in Toronto I don't want to go back there either.

Back when I did a short stint in Kingston, Jamaica, I came up with the philosophy "There are some incredibly beautiful, wonderful places in the World. There are also some God-aweful ones."

Now if people want to say that Indonesian safety standards are not good (and let's face it, they have a dismal history-- so bad that Garuda-- the national carrier, has been banned from many countries), it would be interesting to look at the comparative safety record (and company practices/ regulatory compliance) at the Canadian CAR 702/703/704 level.

[WhiteBeacon]

Travelling abroad to work has some good benefits but some harsh realities. If you have some experience on a jet then chances are you have certain responsibilities at home. If you educate yourself on contract work and pick the right one the money can be huge. Just about everyone here where I am is here for the money. Once you get used to it, it is hard to give up. A good lifestyle for your family is hard to give up. Truth is though if I could have the same lifesytle in Canada as I could working overseas I would be home in a heart beat! I am jealous of my freinds at AC and Westjet. In the long run they will do better than me. However today they are eating KD and I am planning a trip with the family and shopping for a new hottub for the house. I am paid well because I am selling MY lifestyle and time. They still got all that. Accept that if you work in a third world country you will spend your time in a prison like atmosphere. I call my hotel Sona! (Prison Break) It isn't really all that safe for me to leave these walls and the food sucks. I work like a dog because they feel they own me and there is really nothing else to do. Remember there is no real labour laws in the third world so your pretty much on your own. Ask who is doing the maintenance. HUGE ITEM! ATC will be a mess. Other pilots will also be a mess. So consider all of these things before you plan to work overseas. If you are looking for adventure, it will wear off in about two weeks. Then you just may want to go home. If you want adventure, steal a cop car instead. That would be an adventure. Working overseas isn't all that bad but it gets old fast.

Trust me boys, the Beacon is bright on this one!

[Four1oh]

Of the 8 or so guys I know personally that went overseas, the only ones that didn't come home were the ones that went to Cathay. Africa, Emerites, Maldives, Carribean,(don't know any that went to europe). That was enough for me, especially after hearing stories that were surprisingly similiar to what I experienced in Canada's north.

Hey, whatever floats your boat, I'm not judging, but I really didn't care if I left Canada or not, after all, I had 10 years of third world flying right in my own back yard.