Plane from Toronto college lands on New York interstate

[Doc]

Children! Play nice with the other (older, and younger) pilots. And, now back to our regularly scheduled program....

[The Raven]

Wow!!! Some of the old guys (Cat, clunkdriver) really need to get a life.

This whole thread creep eminated from my comment on page 1 that "I would be happy to have a college grad as my First Officer any day". Note that I did not malign anyone who received their training privately or through the military. In fact I have flown with excellent pilots who did not go the college route. So clunkdriver attempts to take me to task because I praised college graduates. Somehow he feels this was a slight towards him and others like him.

And then Cat rushes to clunkdrivers defense and attempts to belittle the younger generation of pilots in a most unprofessional manner.

So Cat and clunkdriver, I too am an old fart. While maybe not quite as old as the two of you, I have been had my license for 37 years. In that 37 years I have accumulated close to 30,000 hours.

When I was a First Officer I would drive home at the end of a flight and sometimes think, "That Captain I just flew with was a really good pilot. I learned a lot from him. When I become a Captain I want to incorporate some of the things I learned from him into my flight deck". Other times I would drive home at the end of a flight thinking, "That Captain I just flew with was a real jerk. While he could fly the airplane ok, he was condescending and didn't instill a good feeling in the cockpit. When I become a Captain, I don't want to be anything like him".

Cat and clunkdriver, which category of Captain do you fall under?

Anyway, back to the topic of the thread.....Nice landing boys!!!!

The Raven


Addendum: Now that I am a Captain, at the end of a flight I often think, "That First Officer (or Relief Pilot) was really sharp. He taught me a few things I didn't know. I will have to incorporate them into my next flight".

[Doc]

Raven, I guess the point should be, no matter how many hours we have, or how old we are, there is something to be learned from every one of us. I'm a low time young guy, compared to you and Cat....but this landing should serve as a learning experience for all. It will be interesting to learn the cause. Perhaps that too, will serve as a learning tool. Don't they look all warm and fuzzy in their nice black pilot pants and white shirts.......That's a JOKE son!

[xsbank]

Just a sort of a propos comment - how do college guys get to fly a Bonanza? I thought I was in heaven flying a 1956 172 with a 6 and manual flaps. I'd STILL like to fly one like the one they just landed! School airplane???

"Fork-tailed Doctor-killer"

[Cat Driver]

When I was a First Officer I would drive home at the end of a flight and sometimes think, "That Captain I just flew with was a really good pilot. I learned a lot from him. When I become a Captain I want to incorporate some of the things I learned from him into my flight deck". Other times I would drive home at the end of a flight thinking, "That Captain I just flew with was a real jerk. While he could fly the airplane ok, he was condescending and didn't instill a good feeling in the cockpit. When I become a Captain, I don't want to be anything like him".


Cat and clunkdriver, which category of Captain do you fall under?

Actually Raven I also had exactly the same experiences with captains during my career.

I fall under the category of being as far from a condescending jerk as possible, of course it may not appear to you that I would be that way by reading this forum...but that is exactly how I work in a multi crew environment.

As to belittling the younger generation you will note I do not lump them all together, but if you feel that many of today's generation show a lack of respect for others then I guess I must have been observing a part of society you do not meet.

Wow!!! Some of the old guys (Cat, clunkdriver) really need to get a life.

My life is just fine thank you, in fact it is more than just fine it is great.

[Cat Driver]

Hang on a minute, I just said my life is just great but I have a problem..

I am trying to fix two deck fittings on my sail boat and the fu.kin air temperature and humidity is making it difficult to get the fiberglass to set up.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e353/ ... C00240.jpg

That was a couple of days ago when I life was really great.

[Pavese]

Just a sort of a propos comment - how do college guys get to fly a Bonanza? I thought I was in heaven flying a 1956 172 with a 6 and manual flaps. I'd STILL like to fly one like the one they just landed! School airplane???

"Fork-tailed Doctor-killer"

Back on the AVIATION topic here

I would presume they were getting some complex time, FWIW It was reported to be a '92 straight tail.

I saw a posting by the student who was PIC for the flight. From the description they had a catastrophic engine failure and did a fine job of salvaging a potentially bad situation with heads up thinking, by being prepared and keeping cool. He mentioned that the instructor had quizzed them a little earlier in the flight about where they'd put it down if they had an engine failure and they picked the only road in sight.

Probably the worst part of the episode was waiting 9 - 1/2 hours (to 2:00AM) with the plane, presumably so it could be hauled away and give them a lift somewhere.

BTW, they got curb-side service from US Customs

A big well done to the crew!

D

[L1011]

I saw a posting by the student who was PIC for the flight.

The instructor was the PIC.

[mcrit]

Xsbank there is absolutely no doubt that many in today's generation have no respect for their elders and their contempt for same is very obvious.

We do respect our elders for the most part. It's just that it's hard to have faith in certain of them; the ones that sit on the park bench and yell at random strangers come to mind.
As for the fellow that was arguing with Clunk; Clunk is one of the good guys. 99.9% of the time his posts are level headed and worthwhile (The other .1%, well everybody has to vent sometimes (no offense intended on that on Clunk) ).

[. .]

Cat and xsbank:

The people I've respected most in this industry were the people that went to bat for those who were helpless. I had the pleasure of working for Dave Moore years ago. He was the Chief Pilot of Wasaya at the time. I had quit my instructing job and packed everything I owned into a small Toyota and headed North until the road stopped in Ontario. Dave had a very busy work schedule, Chief pilot of 703-704-705 operation, as well as trying to commute home to Hamilton. Despite his crazy schedule he always made time to talk with the ramp guys. He would make sure that we knew he hadn't forgotten us, or that our suffering wasn't in vain. He told us that he started out on the ramp decades ago, and he hadn't forgotten our plight, and that was certainly evident. He never once talked down to us, or abused his power to belittle anyone. He went out of the way to make everyone feel included despite wildly varying backgrounds.

Years later I was a check captain at a medium sized 704 company and I tried to emulate the way Dave acted. I tried to let the wannabe pilots in the office know there was hope, and to stick with it. I looked for common ground as a building point for shared respect rather than my position within the company. When I trained new pilots I always made it a priority to make them feel like equals. I made sure that they knew that their input wasn't just desired, but something that I wanted. I can't count the number of times that someone whom I was training taught me something valuable. I don't believe that could have ever happened if they didn't feel their input meant something.

Certainly I've strayed from that thinking in dealing with you. I should have been trying to lead by example, rather than convince you that your thinking is flawed.

If you have some thoughts on this feel free to PM me. I think we've hijacked this thread badly enough.

Hopefully we can all agree that these guys ended up doing a great job in far from ideal circumstances.

[xsbank]

Hmmm. I'm ruminating.

I still want to fly that Bonanza (buy me a new engine). It would be like a 1972 Buick but smaller.

[Rudder Bug]

how do college guys get to fly a Bonanza?

1: Open the door
2: Sit in it
3: Fly it

[Cat Driver]

Certainly I've strayed from that thinking in dealing with you. I should have been trying to lead by example, rather than convince you that your thinking is flawed.

I was one of the first to post this compliment to the pilots in that Bonanza.

Great job!!!

I have read all my comments in this thread and no where do I see anything that I feel is not true regarding the subjects involved, Clunk asked me a question and I tried to answer it.

I see no reason to PM you about anything in this thread and quite frankly I also see no need to defend how I interacted with my colleagues during my career.

However it may help if you were to actually do some research on just exactly how I acted when it came to defending my crews during my long career as chief pilot for several companies, training pilot and owner of several air services.

I suggest you start with Air West Airlines in 1974/75 as an example of how a chief pilot should perform their duties.

And Endless I will accept your apology even though it seems to me to be condescending.......but I may be miss reading your intent.

[BoostedNihilist]

I am trying to fix two deck fittings on my sail boat and the fu.kin air temperature and humidity is making it difficult to get the fiberglass to set up.

Cat

-mekp
+heatgun

[Pavese]

I saw a posting by the student who was PIC for the flight.

The instructor was the PIC.

Correct.

I was thinking in control vs. command.

D

[Rudder Bug]

Hi BoostedNihilist,

You got any tips about carbon fiber to replace plywood for an amphib hull?

[Doc]

Okay. enough of the warm fuzzy BS! What happened? Somebody has to know by now. And, if they ain't talking, we ain't learning.....out with it!

[Rudder Bug]

Here's an interesting one too, Park Avenue, downtown Montreal, rush hour. Very, very lucky nobody got hurt.

[canadianaviator]

The connecting rods to both the number one and two cylinders both failed. I was there and you could imagine the engine noise when it let go!

[Doc]

Was it producing any power at all? Or, were you just along for the ride? Glad it turned out the way it did. Cheers.

[FlyHigh13]

Engine and prop completely stopped.

[iflyforpie]

The connecting rods to both the number one and two cylinders both failed. I was there and you could imagine the engine noise when it let go!

Seems to be a Continental specialty. Sure hope it doesn't happen to my -520.

[linecrew]

The connecting rods to both the number one and two cylinders both failed. I was there and you could imagine the engine noise when it let go!

Aw, you went and ruined all of Cluck Drivers's speculative fun!

[xsbank]

Wonder what the overhaul/new engine costs are for a Bonanza - THAT'S why I was wondering about a school aircraft and what you have to pay to rent the sucker. Plus, it doesn't exactly sip fuel. Rich renters?

How did they get it home?

[L1011]

Wonder what the overhaul/new engine costs are for a Bonanza - THAT'S why I was wondering about a school aircraft and what you have to pay to rent the sucker. Plus, it doesn't exactly sip fuel. Rich renters?

How did they get it home?

I've never heard of a place that rents Bonanzas, at least in Canada. If there is, I wanna know!