ATPL

[jpar84]

JC thanks for the detailed perspective. I'm definitely on board with the PIC concept and i agree that PIC hours should be highly valued hence the mimimum PIC requirement. I guess what frustrates me about the .5 co-pilot thing is that it could impede my future progress. I think the co-pilot hours of each individual pilot should be further analysed rather than just being dismissed as .5 in all cases as i still believe that they are more valuable than flight instructing hours in many cases. For example you mentioned that the thought process is that co-pilots aren't busy physically or mentally for the entirety of the average flight, which i agree with. However, i can think of several instances where I have flown with my instructor and our conversations have ranged from why Carey Price couldn't stop a beach ball against the Bruins to when we did our first keg stand in college (or in my case high school), but operation of the aircraft rarely came up (it was our understanding that as the student that was my bag of beans and as long as i didn't have troubles nothing really needed to be said). Yes he was technically PIC but is this time really more valuable than time spent flying ifr on a more complex aircraft in a multi-crew environment even if he did end up picking his nose for half of the latter?

Anyway its not you i disagree with its TC. i suppose its not really a big deal though, after all you either have the right stuff for a job or you don't and thats what it will usually come down to ATPL or not.

[Spokes]

If you think along that line, then you probably should not count time you are crusing along on autopilot, talking about beach balls or whatever.

If you are in an aircraft with an instructor, and they are chit chatting about something that is not about the flight/aircraft, then yuo might consider a new instructor.

[Hedley]

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[jpar84]

what frustrates me about the .5 co-pilot thing is that it could impede my future progress

ummmm, ok. How many hours do you have right now, again?

Anyways, it doesn't matter what you, or I, or anyone else here
thinks, that's the way it is. Get used to it. It's called life, and
despite what you may have heard before, life isn't always fair.

If you really don't like it, you can protest by never applying for
your ATPL

Yes hedley this is pretty much what I was eluding to at the end of the post. My gripe is pointless I know but c'mon I'm sure you'll agree soemtimes it fun to gripe just to gripe, or maybe not.

By the way I forget to mention this in my last post on the MIFR thread but its great to hear that your student made a successful forced landing. I would definitely be proud given the same circumstance. This is not to say i ever hope to have a student experience an engine failure.

JP

[jpar84]

If you think along that line, then you probably should not count time you are crusing along on autopilot, talking about beach balls or whatever.

If you are in an aircraft with an instructor, and they are chit chatting about something that is not about the flight/aircraft, then yuo might consider a new instructor.

LOL i hear ya. For the record I have a very professional instructor and the reality is we only make senseless chatter when we are in cruise for various reasons, and even then we often talk about relevant issues. When its time to hone in on the skills he is very helpful.

As for the whole ATPL thing, like hedley says it is what it is like it or lump it and i can accept that.


JP

[Big Pistons Forever]

jpar84

Wow barely a year in and you allready sound like a bitter fucked over veteran just let go off after his 5th employer in a row went tits up.

[jpar84]

jpar84

Wow barely a year in and you allready sound like a bitter fucked over veteran just let go off after his 5th employer in a row went tits up.

I do???

Well I can see how this thread would lead you to believe that. Truth is I am cautiously optimistic about things as a whole, I just think TC is a little goofy sometimes and rather than hold it in I figure I might as well vent it here and see what others think. If you could have sat in with me tonight you would have seen the optimism as i cruised through the ville-marie circuit on a beauty night with a smile about this big

[angry inch]

I have not looked too closely at the ATPL requirements until recently.... Has the 75 Instrument time always been there?? Reason I ask is, Ive always heard day VFR guys talking about the night time being the hurdle for the ATPL....

[BTD]

Yes, it has always been a requirement. By the time you have done a PPL, CPL, and IFR rating most people have nearly the time requirements for the instrument.

(d) 75 hours instrument flight time of which a maximum of 25 hours may have been acquired in approved instrument ground trainers and a maximum of 35 hours may have been acquired in helicopters. Instrument ground time shall not be applied toward the total 1500 hour flight time requirement.

You can also credit that 25 hrs of sim time towards the ATPL instrument requirements. But, not the total time requirements. Hood time with an instructor counts. There are many ways to get the instrument time. Another example is once you are flying right seat on a larger aircraft. Instrument time as a co-pilot counts.

There is only one way to get the Night PIC X-Ctry and non of the other licenses have a requirement for it. Its kind of a catch 22. Some aircraft need the ATPL to fly them as PIC. But you can't fly them as PIC until you have the ATPL. Thats why it is usually a road block.

[angry inch]

Ahhhhh.... I see. I was thinking it had to be "IFR" time... Thanks!

[flygirl123]

So, When I get 750TT and have accomplished all the requirements. I am allowed to write the 3 exams?
Then why is there a 1500TT requirement for the ATPL?

[altiplano]

Back at it eh...

[AUGER9]

You need 750hrs to write the exams. The actual license won't kick in til you have 1500 and all the hour requirements.