PERIMETER AUDIT

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:36 am

Oh yeah,

Audit ended yesterday, exit meeting today.

Still flying...............

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So the exit meeting has apparently ended. All ride alongs went well, TC was happy with everything and noted NO major deficiencies or safety issues.

18 inspectors looking for problems, none found.

Official report to come out in 10 days.

Not really surprising to any of us who work here.

Congrats to all and cudos to everyone on their hard work over the last 10 days.

Nice to work for a company who has their cards in order as well as all the benefits I have listed earlier.

I am starting to sound like a cheerleader.

sure as shit · Post by **sure as shit** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:33 pm

Yes indeedy things went well.
Perimeter in spite of what some think are a company that many could learn from.

FYI

Snot and Juicebag was locked up in the green cargo freezer for the week to slow his metabolism down(mostly his lips). Prior to being placed in solitary confinement the management had him endorse a personal cheque payable to Transport Canada C/O Enforcement so that the next time he misbehaves, they won't have to chase him around the country to get the money like the last time.
Don't forget to have your record expunged after 2 years! That way you can someday harass another employer....

planett · Post by **planett** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:05 pm

When I talk to co-workers, I get the feeling that Perimeter is a very different place now than it was 10 years or 20 years ago. Much has apparently changed for the better. Good work, it's up to the employees to help it stay that way.

sure as shit · Post by **sure as shit** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:02 pm

Well, actually Perimeter was always an exceptional company to work for.
Unfortunately back in the early nineties when there were only 2 Metro's, the bottom line was the dollar. Salaries for captains were pretty good (30,000 ish or so) and the poor F/O's were getting 5 CENTS/MILE. This translated into about 250 dollars take-home every 2 weeks. Thus the revolving door mentality. Those days management viewed the pilots as a dime a dozen and the lineup at the door unlimited.
All that being said, maintenance, avionics and every other department did a superp job. Of all the companies I worked for in the prairies I would have to rate them at the top.
Of course in and around 199? during a TC audit, the unfortunate happened and crash landed a Metro in YWG which did get the OC pulled for several days and that is a fact. Another fact is that the incident after investigation found that there was no way that the accident could have been prevented.

Now, after saying that, Perimeter for all intents and purposes has and continues to be a company that all new pilots should experience, what they should not be subjected to is the intolerant behavior of one very childish and arrogant pilot.
SWEET AND JUICEY, you should really rethink your ways. Not only are you embarrassing the aviation community with your whacked out comments, you are teaching the young and impressionable that this God like syndrome you allure to will keep them above the law and indestructable. NOT SO.Greater pilots than you, and there are many, have lost.
PERHAPS YOU SHOULD START THINKING AND ACTING LIKE A PILOT...

The Hammer · Post by **The Hammer** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:58 pm

Perimeter always a class act?? Maybe ask your cheif pilot just how great the future was for the big P say in 1996-1997 after Gods River and Island lake ???? If I recall correctly it was a very empty place when the bands were boycotting it!!!!

The closest thing to a sure thing in aviation is what happened yesterday and even that seems to change!!

But I guess with the likes of Disco Stu and S&J the current perimeter pilots were way better than those of the past

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:46 am

The Hammer wrote:Perimeter always a class act?? Maybe ask your cheif pilot just how great the future was for the big P say in 1996-1997 after Gods River and Island lake ???? If I recall correctly it was a very empty place when the bands were boycotting it!!!!

The closest thing to a sure thing in aviation is what happened yesterday and even that seems to change!!

But I guess with the likes of Disco Stu and S&J the current perimeter pilots were way better than those of the past

My god you have some retarded posts.

What sure thing happened yesterday? Perimeter successfully coming out of our audit? Then what is the problem?

And don't put words in my mouth. I have never even insinuated that I am better than any of the pilots who have or have ever worked here. Infact, we have had some exceptional pilots leave here in recent years. I know, I sat in the right seat to these guys. We still do have excellent pilots here. Maybe that is because the revolving door sure as shit commented on has stopped. Probably due to the fact that Captains can make over $90K and FOs over $40. Most captains now have 3000+ hours of experience, all of it on type. Maybe that has something to do with how this is a much safer place than it was when the total time between both pilots was sometimes less than 2000.

Bash Perimeter all you want, but the maintenance is superb, the pay is excellent, the schedule is good, and I get to sleep in my own bed every night. And despite all the bashing that goes on about the Metro, it is a fucking awesome airplane to fly. Fast, and fun as hell. Ask anyone who has flown one.

I guess at Hammer flying clapped out BE100s at 200 knots or a SE airplane 2 crew can get to be rather boring at times.

The jealousy you display in trying to knock Perimeter despite the number of people who have come on here to defend the company is really shining through. Most of the people saying the good things about Perimeter don't/haven't worked there!

Your true colours are shining through. I thought Perimeter's colours were green though, not NACs.

The Hammer · Post by **The Hammer** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:02 pm

Yesterday or the day b4 that is the only sure thing cause it is in the past and you can't change the past buddy.

Who in this industry who has any real experience, posts on a website that they passed a routine TC audit. It's about as spectacluar as taking a shit in the morning , it's something that is expected. I have worked for places that passed every audit but were very shitty places to work for, maybe even worse than skyward

DS
You really have no clue about your employer b4 you worked there. When the green machine hit hard times in 96-97, most northern captain's had +5 years in the left seat. No rookies

PS I hope you spent more time on the ramp than your mentor DD did. Otherwise it really don't count for sh&t

Disco Stu can you tell when your medical is due so I can watch for your post demonstrating once again how incredible a feat it is to pass at medical, pardon me a CAT1 medical

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:32 pm

Listen up asswipe, cuz this is the last post I am going to make in your general direction.

You seem pretty knowledgable about Perimeter. Maybe because you were once here? Possibly fired? Couldn't get hired? Not sure, but you seem to have a pretty big problem with the big P.

I know what the place was like before I was here. I know a lot of the ex-PAG guys, I know about God's River, I know about Island Lake, etc, etc. I now know about the OC being pulled twice. Considering I have been working here for 4 years, I like to think I know more about the operation than you do. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how and why you seem to know so much about my employer. Again, your true colours are shining through brightly.

Maybe you need to go back and read what the title of this thread is, and reread the first post. Maybe that will click the light bulb in your head that tells the gerbil when to start running so you can figure out the reason that I posted how the audit turned out. Here, I'll tell you, wouldn't want you to put your brain to any good use - THE FUCKING THREAD IS ABOUT THE AUDIT, SO MAYBE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE READING IT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING HOW IT WENT. Moron. My 5 year old could have figured out why I posted what I did.

The fact we shined in the audit suprised no one who works there. Don't take my posting the results as a commentary on a miracle being pulled off, or something unexpected happening. Everyone knew we would do fine. Again, the REASON THIS THREAD IS HERE is because someone was wondering about the audit. Forgive me for deducing that someone may have wanted to know how it ended.

I seem to remember all the ranting and raving you did about how lousy Perimeter is in the thread about our Income Trust (which made me and everyone who has invested a ton of cash so far).

Why so bitter? How about telling us about your history with Perimeter. It is obvious to me and everyone else who reads your posts there is history there. How about divulging it so maybe, just maybe, you could have some credibility with the readers. Until then, you are just a jealous and bitter man. So, so sad.

Oh yeah,

PS. Just did some homework, and The Hammer, out of 23 total posts, 10 have been used to bash Perimeter.

Quite the record.

The Hammer · Post by **The Hammer** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:24 am

careful there DS, I don't want to be the reason you won't be able to post on this forum that you passed your next medical

Just remember, how can you really compare your job with any others, seeing as you started at the Big P as a 200hr wonder and have worked nowhere else as a PILOT. (I guess you could compare it to the years of experience you have on the deep fryer at MCdic's)

I personally think WestJET's BLue Koolaid is only 25% a strong as the GREEN CRACK they smoke at the corner of Ellice and Ferry

HOW many posts have u bashed everyone else in the industry, at least I bash what I know rather than those who bash based on rumours and stories

grouchy · Post by **grouchy** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:04 am

What would have been the result of TC shutting down PAG?
Who else could have moved into Mb and filled the gaps?
It would have been almost impossible to shut down PAG from a political standpoint at this time.
18 inspectors, no findings, I say incredible.
Fantastic for you guys, but incredible.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:39 am

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Corporate Pilot · Post by **Corporate Pilot** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:59 am

grouchy wrote:18 inspectors, no findings

There are NEVER "no findings". TC will look till they find 'something'.

The 'something' may be very minor, or a technicality, but they WILL FIND something!!

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:37 am

Hammer,

You are starting to bore me. In fact, I won't even try to address your post, the things you mention are nothing more than you digging away.

The only thing I am interested now is knowing what your connection to Perimeter is so we can all know why you are so bitter. You are very transparent. Never have I seen anyone on here who has it out so badly for 1 company. My guess, and that of my colleagues, is that you were fired from here. Now we just are trying to find out who you are. Can you make that easier and enlighten the group as to why so bitter?

Grouchy and Cat Driver,

If you reread my post at the top of Page 3 you will see I said no MAJOR findings. Of course there were findings.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:02 pm

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grouchy · Post by **grouchy** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:15 pm

Cat and Disco
Can you imagine the chaos if TC shutdown PAG, now that they have Skyward down? Who would pick up the slack? Keystone?
I don't think they (TC) COULD have found anything major.
Out of curiousity was there any kind of luncheon put on for the inspectors?
Also having the results of the Skyward audit a month in advance allows PAG to see what could be happening and thereby clean up their act. I bet there was a lot of midnight oil burning at the very least.
Anyways have a nice day.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:30 pm

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centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:16 pm

Cat,

Here we go again! Save your "I hate TC" rant for another thread. TC could have, and would have shut down PAG if they found any safety issues. They cannot, and will not shut down a company, especially a publicly run company, for minor findings. All this BS you and grouchy are posting is speculation. You don't work for TC or Perimeter, so you don't know $hit about the audit, it's findings, or it's scope. I'm sure Disco doesn't even know as much as he'd like to think. I've been through several audits in my day, and I can tell you that TC (at the audit level) doesn't give one stinking crap about who is operating or shut down at the time of your company's audit.

Cat, just cause you've been raped in the A$$ from TC doesn't mean that the rest of us will...besides, you probably deserved it!

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:27 pm

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FLOATER · Post by **FLOATER** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:28 pm

Cat I'm another one who is tired of your rants about Transport!!!Being one of the older wiser pilots out there why don't you try help the younger guys with your flying wisdom.We all know transport is not perfect,are you?I know I'm far from it...Are you that small minded that you must get into a fighting match with every poster that don't agree with you?Hopfully you'll move on and try helping on this forum,instead of acting like a 300 hundred hourpilot.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:40 pm

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FLOATER · Post by **FLOATER** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:00 pm

Cat....sorry but to old,tired and busy

giligan · Post by **giligan** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:44 pm

So let me get this straight. Cat hates transport, The Hammer hates Perimeter, Disco Stu has got no clue about the real world. All the while Perimeter passed their audit with flying colors but its all bullshit because transport couldn't have shut them down even if they did find something because safety comes second to politics and to filling a void in air transport???

I would have thought Transport would have shut them down for all of that ellicit drug use going on at the corner of Ellice and Ferry!!

I'll just stick to Days of Our Lives.
giligan

PS, I heard Sweet and Juicy PM'd Rubber Jungle and they have a blind date set up. RJ is the one with sleep in his eyes and S&J will be circling in his new red Toyota to show off his hands and feet.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:14 pm

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The Tool · Post by **The Tool** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:20 pm

Yet again another thread hijacked by Cat Driver... yaaaawn...

mental vomit · Post by **mental vomit** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:41 pm

Yaaaawn? Avcanada sold me the entire seat, but I only needed the edge of it.

PERIMETER AUDIT

S&J and DS are compensating for something!!What is it??